This team is poorly coached and lacks discipline.
- Thread starter Jamal Sunburn
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You act as if Cal being at Kentucky and associated with all that Kentucky offers hasn't been a factor in his ability to recruit at this level at all. You don't think Bruce Pearl combined with UK would be a recruiting machine? If Brad Stevens could get Butler to back to back final fours with limited resources etc, what could he do at UK? You don't think Donavan would absolutely kill on the recruiting trail when showing up with UK on his chest? He got top recruits to go to a football school. Give it up man, Cal is not God. He's great, but he's blowing a golden opportunity
I think we learned our lesson a few years ago. Don't go hiring coaches that are unproven. Not a single one of those coaches has proven that they can recruit anywhere near Cal's level.
I also have a little breaking news for you. These kids are coming to UK for Cal, not UK. They love the school while they are here and when they leave but they are here to go to the NBA. None of those coaches believes in the current model Calipari has so you can forget about getting teams like the 2010 squad or 14 or 15 or 17. You would end up with very good classes but their systems aren't going to attract studs so what you saw at Florida is what you would get if BD had the UK job. Stephens is on everyone's short list, he would be a great fit but in my opinion he wouldn't match what Cal has done. We would all love getting Jimmy Chitwood type players and running the packet fence to win games. That was a joke but you get my point.
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Probably gonna get in trouble for this but I'm sick of STUPID posts like these. You create a title like you did and then act like you didn't mean what you wrote. IDIOTIC posts like this make me wish Cal would just go off on his radio show when he gets a STUPID comment like this.
Fastest coach ever at UK to get 200 wins and we get posts like this. Just dumb.
You are really wearing out the word "pumpers"? Gotta start questioning yourself when Cutnets is liking your posts.
Act like I didn't mean what I wrote?
I haven't backed away from anything I stated. If you don't understand any of it, that falls on your reading comprehension skills.
Two things:
1.) We have Tyler, a Senior, and 3 Juniors in the rotation. Our roster make up is not THAT unique this year.
2.) We do not appear to be improving. If this loss was in Nov...okay. Jan to LSU though, not cool.
Anyone with kids knows that you can tell them something 1000 times sometimes and it just doesn't click for whatever reason...and then one day it does and you don't have to say it again. This doesn't mean that you were not parenting or that you were doing it poorly. It means that you are dealing with children. I think the same may apply here.
On the poorly coached, you stayed out in the sun too long.
Sunburn coming in with the early favorite for 2016's Dumbest Thread Award. Way to go Sunburn!!! Gotta be the early odds on favorite.
The one thing a lot of people fail to realize, for whatever reason, is that you can't make them do anything. I teach high school now and even our best teachers, which I make no claim of being one, have bright, talented students that fail to live up to expectations all the time. Occasionally you get through, but more often than not something shocking has to happen to get their attention. This is especially true of elite athletes who've been head and shoulders above most of their competition since they can remember. Now you're telling them they don't know what they're doing? Pleeeeeeaaaase!
I don't have a problem if someone wants to criticize Cal, but some of this crap is stupid. Worst offensive coach in the SEC? Our offense is in the top 10 just about every year. Bruce Pearl over Cal??? He's never even been to a Final-4, something Cal did twice before he even got to UK. You can't fix stupid.
"Picket" fence, but yes I get your point. I agree that kids come to UK because of Cal. But what is part of the allure of Cal? Part of it is UK and its rabid fan-base behind him. One of his favorite selling points for recruits is to "build your brand". Part of the pitch to come to UK if you have NBA aspirations is that you can begin building your professional "brand" immediately. How is this possible? Because UK fans will follow you anywhere and will buy up all of your stock. My point is that while Cal is the main draw, part of his allure is that he has UK and its fan-base backing him. I believe any top of the line and savvy coach is going to capitalize on the luxuries that UK affords you. Did BCG? No, but he was an absolute fool. Tubby, who couldn't stand the limelight, still benefited from the "UK brand", often times when he didn't even want to.
That's fine and all, but you still won't convince me Bruce Pearl or Brad Stevens would have had near the same success Cal has had in 6 seasons. And I think they are good coaches.
Btw, this season isn't over if 2014 taught us anything at all.
There's no way to predict that in terms of recruiting. But I can guarantee you something about Brad Stevens; if his team is drowning defensively in m2m, he won't hesitate to go full on zone and see it through. If his team is struggling to get buckets, he won't hesitate to change things up to find ways to score.
You didn't help your case. Tubby is still getting the same quality of player at Texas Tech that he got here at UK.
Bottom line, if Cal goes away so does all the best 5* recruits. I guess that's fine if you're Brad Stevens. He will still get really good recruits but my gut feeling is that he is not as great as everyone is making him out to be. He had a couple of good seasons where he made the title game but that's it. He rode that wave right to an NBA coaching job which is still very odd to me.
Had a couple of good seasons where he made the title game but that's it? He was at Butler for Christ-sakes. You act as if he should have won a couple of titles there or been to multiple final fours. Its freaking BUTLER. I mean its not like he was at UNC or Duke. He made back to back title games at Butler before heading off to the NBA. Imagine what he would do at a legitimate power-house type of school.
One thing a coach can do is take the players who are playing so bad and give them a seat on the bench! Put in Hump, Tai, Willis or anyone else who will show some effort. If you run out of players, put in a manager. Using the bench can mean different things. But we have to have the 5 stars out there? Give me a break!
The one thing I question is why Cal doesn't change up his offensive philosophy to match the type of players he has? We all know we don't have a great offensive team this year. So why doesn't he press all game long. And not this token full-court pressure that we do now. I'm talking about full-court, press til you drop, Rick Pitino 1996 press. Create steals, turnovers, bad shots, etc., and try to score off of fast break buckets. We have a team full of athletes to do this, so let's play to their strengths. I feel like we're playing right into their weaknesses by slowing the game down and trying to run what Cal calls an "offense". We just don't have the type of team to do that this year.
Yeah, Cal took Memphis to a title game. He also took UMASS to a final-4. How have those programs fared since Cal left? They are both terrible now.
I love how the UL trolls like all of the negative posts. They've finally come out of hiding after we lost. Alot of them like posts criticizing Cal or the team, but are too chickensh!t to post because they know they will be made to look like fools by fans of a team that own them. ![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
Poorly coached is an adjective just like saying you are a poor poster. Go back to the Louisville board where you belong.
So how come Tubby and Billy G couldn't recruit like Cal. They were at Kentucky with all those resources and went on the recruiting trail with UK on their chest. Cal definitely blew a golden opportunity when he beat Louisville for the eight time in nine tries. The guy just can't coach. I don't know how we are ever going to live thru this. I guess we will just have to wait until next year when we play the Cards again.
That's not a good take. Cal actually is known for changing his offensive approach depending on the players he has. As for pressing, in general Cal doesn't press much because unless you have a team that is really well-suited to pressing, you leave yourself open to easy baskets by the other team. And considering that every year we are in the top 10-20 in defense, I think I'll go with his approach.
I would love that type of game but a couple of things came to mind. First how many top 20 teams are doing this? And just because we are more guard oriented are we quick enough and in shape enough for that kind of play? We have a good team, but I'm not sure we are athletic enough when I watch them. It's a shame there isn't a two year rule because it seems so hard to teach something in one year and it be played perfect.
But how many top 20 teams are ranked 281st or worse in D1 at 3 point FG %? How many top 20 teams are shooting less than 50% from the floor in general? We are 95th in the country in scoring. When your offensive stats are as bad as ours are, you have to be creative and find ways to score.
How about this: which guard currently has the best FG % on the team? What if I told you it was Briscoe? Based on pure percentages, Briscoe is our most efficient offensive guard at a whopping 46%. Murray is next at 41% and Ulis is 3rd at 40%. From the perimeter, Murray is the most efficient, shooting 38%. The next most efficient 3 point shooting guard? Tyler Ulis at an incredible 29%. Briscoe sits at 19% on the year from 3.
My point is that this team is lacking players to be able to get into a grind-it-out offense and score. We need transition buckets, steals, turnovers, etc. in order to be able to put points on the board. The stats don't lie. Sure, we will have games where we hit some perimeter shots. It happens. But I'm pretty sure we've seen that this team just doesn't have those types of players.
I understand just fine. I understand that you and folks like you have little to no understanding. To say that this team is poorly coached is beyond idiotic. Cal has made UK the school in college basketball. Fastest coach ever at UK to 200 wins, and someone like you comes on here and proclaims that this team is "poorly coached".
It will pointless to discuss any further. If you really think that, then there is no point.
Tubby never put forth the effort that Cal does. Pretty simple there. I mean where Cal has time off and hops on a jet to fly across the country to watch top tier players, Tubby was down the road 20 minutes at the "All-A Classic". Just not going to cut it. Would Tubby have similar success as Cal if the effort was the same, probably not. Was a different time back then. Tubby had some stinker classes, but he had some damn fine classes as well including the incredible haul that was Rondo et al.
BCG simply doesn't count. The guy was a drunk and a fool.
I get why you aren't able to understand these points, you have UL marked as your national title game. So in your world this thing is unreal and dominant. I don't care about UL, I want to win titles. I want to seize the opportunity that is Cal + UK. I wish I could be like you and find comfort and solace and excitement in beating UL every year, but Im after something more. I know UL fans and how they think. When Cal does leave and we beat our chest about beating them all the time they will ask us, "how many more national titles did you win than us during Cal's time there"? And unfortunately right now the answer is 0. UL has just as many national titles as UK during the Cal era.
I get that you can't force the kids to do anything, that's why it's the kids fault as well. But it is the job of all of the coaches to get through to them. So, they share the responsibility for the team's performance.
Well I looked it up and there were several teams in the top 25 who were ranked 200 or worse. Villanova, WVA, Providence, and Dayton. North Carolina is 171, and Arizona 183. It doesn't have to be great at it as these teams show but it would really help us. On style I think if Cal finds another way better he will go there but you have to play the hand that you are dealt.
IMO....
Cal >>>>>>>> Izzo
Beheim <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< cal.
I don't usually compare what cal does to lesser coaches. Cal is capable with the way he recruits of doing way, way more than those guys.
All coaches are different but.....if you think UK, the school, fans, tradition, and facilities etc don't help recruiting you're drunk.
BCG was recruiting at a pretty high level here until he started drinking before the road.
Tubby recruited better here than anywhere he's coaches and it's not even close.
Rick never recruited at Louisville as good as he recruited here.
You're misrepresenting a ton of imformation pleas stop.
Is this an attempt to be wry?
And Stevens might last 6 months here before the complaining about "recruiting worse than Tubby!!" would start. But Zipp, or whomever it is hiding behind the troll-name above, would enjoy that....
What do you mean by talent? Potential, as measured by raw athletic ability? Skill? Experience? There's a reason that players almost universally peak as basketball players around age 27 - it's the best mesh of athletic potential, skill, and experience. Saying our players have a higher long term upside (which is what people generally mean when talking about talent, particularly with young players) says nothing about how they do, or should, perform now.
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