This team is poorly coached and lacks discipline.
- Thread starter Jamal Sunburn
- Start date
I already did in another thread that responded directly to you. But here it is again:
My list of coaches if they had the talent Cal has had...
- Brad Stevens (was able to get to back to back final fours with nowhere near the amount of talent)
- Billy Donovan (won back to back titles and a predominately football school)
- Tom Izzo (consistency. His teams have ranked in the top 30 in both defensive and offensive efficiency for the past 10 seasons)
- Bruce Pearl (only missed the ncaa tournament twice in his career as a D1 head coach.)
* Again, these are guys I would take if they had the talent that Cal has enjoyed
Yeah, let's run Cal off so UK can be mediocre for the foreseeable future. You'd like that wouldn't you.
Poythess is certainly not my favorite but it would have been hard for him to work on his handle with a cast and brace on the last year. That said he did work with a shooting coach, and as we can see there wasn't any improvement.
I'm not sure that we out talented anyone on the floor last night. Simmons is the best in land. Their bigs were way better then ours. And at least last night Quarterman and Hornsby were at least as good as our guards. Sometimes it just takes more time for freshmen and upperclass men to blend into a team.
I've come around to the feeling, which is mentioned here some, that Cal needs to hire on an offensive mind. I think Cal has a great defensive mind, but he can get very stubborn and one dimensional on offense. Too many times we go into stall ball mode or just driving the ball into a wall of defenders. That type of offense has cost us big time games, and this team is starting to follow that. We just don't have the defensive presence to make up for going on scoring droughts.
Not having any leaders with experience is hurting us more then coaching. Talented freshmen without leadership will continue to have troubles on the road if Alex and Marcus play like they did last night.
Amazing how the same group are on here after every loss. Check the likes, it the same Cal can't coach group. lol
Cal is not a bad coach. Look, he is stubborn. You cannot argue that. In my opinion, Cal's success, to an extent, is contingent on having the players that fit his gameplan. This is accomplished in one of two ways.
Either:
1: Having tough interior players that can play aggressive and block shots complemented by solid athletes on the wing. (Ex Kentucky 2012, 2015)
or
2. 5 athletes can that put the ball on the floor and play with grit. (Ex: Memphis 08)
This team does not fit either description, which is why we are struggling. No one expected Skal to be this bad, not even Cal, IMO.
Having that glaring hole in the middle is creating a lot of issues.We cannot get any help offensively from the paint, nor can we guard or rebound.
Cal is not one to reinvent the wheel with his gameplan. He has never been that way. He is going to stick to his winning formula (which is what landed him in the HOF). The problem arises when he has a roster like we do now. His gameplan is tough to execute with our squad. They just don't have that persona that Cal wins with. They just don't.
If Poythress gives it 100% every game, Skal is as good as the #1 ranking suggested, and we make the shots we are capable of making, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Neither of which is reality unfortunately.
Either:
1: Having tough interior players that can play aggressive and block shots complemented by solid athletes on the wing. (Ex Kentucky 2012, 2015)
or
2. 5 athletes can that put the ball on the floor and play with grit. (Ex: Memphis 08)
This team does not fit either description, which is why we are struggling. No one expected Skal to be this bad, not even Cal, IMO.
Having that glaring hole in the middle is creating a lot of issues.We cannot get any help offensively from the paint, nor can we guard or rebound.
Cal is not one to reinvent the wheel with his gameplan. He has never been that way. He is going to stick to his winning formula (which is what landed him in the HOF). The problem arises when he has a roster like we do now. His gameplan is tough to execute with our squad. They just don't have that persona that Cal wins with. They just don't.
If Poythress gives it 100% every game, Skal is as good as the #1 ranking suggested, and we make the shots we are capable of making, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Neither of which is reality unfortunately.
Some of these posters need to get off the Johnson.
I love cal but he's capable of so much more. Cal is the main reason cal is known as a 1 time champion vs. a three time champion. He gets in his own way, won't make the adjustments needed, and stays the course when the course isnt working. People here don't understand a great coaches ego much.
Cal is awesome but he's blowing a legacy he could have had. He could've challenged Rupp.
Because he doesn't want his rosters to look like a college squad running plays and screens all night. He's always recruiting. He wants it to be backyard, race to the goal, get fouled crap over and over and over. If you can't do that at the 3 second mark jack something up. People, that is all we do. It's right In front of you.
I think you really need to go back and watch the game my friend. Even the announcers said this is by far the best game that LSU has played all year. The Big that transferred in and was eligible a few games ago was a 40% FT shooter and hit close to 80 on the game last night and recorded his first double double. The one Guard had his best game of his career last night and finished with close to a triple double. The announcers raved at the end of the game saying how this is by far the best they've seen LSU with energy and play. Let's just get real. Alot of our fans are pitiful and want to find anything to gripe about. Yes we played bad but lets not act like we've not had one of the best 6-7 year runs we've ever had here. We have a very bad mix of talent with role players and really only a couple decent scorers. Calipari scraped after missing on a few recruits and put together the best possible squad he could.
I see Coach Cal sitting on the sideline, frustrated as hell. Players wont play, they try to be the star and make stupid plays, turning the ball over. The last 5 minutes last night, we just GAVE UP. didnt even try to get the ball
I agree with you 100% but it's not going to happen. Wayyyy too much ego involved to admit you need help.
The Warewolves of Kentucky are out feasting after this loss.
This team is going to get beat seven or eight times this year. The SEC is improving and playing on the road will be tough for every team. Especially when UK comes to town.
None of that means the season or this team is going to be a bust.
Cals teams that have struggled due to inexperience and youth always struggle on the road. Once they learn how to play in front of a hostile crowd they will be alright.
Of course we don't have to worry about that in the tournaments.
But, haters never stop hating so with every loss we have to hear all about every little detail from the moaners and groaners.
Just push the ignore button and you will never see their post.
This team is going to get beat seven or eight times this year. The SEC is improving and playing on the road will be tough for every team. Especially when UK comes to town.
None of that means the season or this team is going to be a bust.
Cals teams that have struggled due to inexperience and youth always struggle on the road. Once they learn how to play in front of a hostile crowd they will be alright.
Of course we don't have to worry about that in the tournaments.
But, haters never stop hating so with every loss we have to hear all about every little detail from the moaners and groaners.
Just push the ignore button and you will never see their post.
Sums up exactly how I feel. So many on here want to accuse me of being against Cal or not liking Cal and its simply not true. I agree with S&C that Cal is sitting on a golden opportunity to catch Rupp as a coach and even catch UCLA in titles but I feel like he is blowing it. Cal combined the UK name with his recruiting ability and created a monster, yet with all of his talent here he sits with one title. I love Cal. But his stubbornness is costing him what could have been even more.
Most good coaches do that, when Rick was outclassed at Kansas, he refused to stop pressing and shooting 3's. Got us beat by like 60 points but he stayed the line that he knew would work in the future.
Honestly because there are so many pumpers on this board the real message by lots of our fans get lost somewhere. Everyone ends up picking "a side" vs. actually evaluating the situation at its core. It's a huge problem about here.
I think Cal having Poythress and Lee try and guard Simmons outside was a huge coaching mistake. Cal not willing to sit back in the zone killed our bigs last night.
I have seen lots of kids who had great parents that taught them right from wrong. The kids however went on to become habitual criminals. Did it mean that the parents did a poor job getting through to the kid or that the kid just didn't listen? It's that whole lead a horse to water but can't make him drink thing.
I don't have a problem with people criticizing the coach. Cal isn't perfect. But when people go on and on and on about him, it gets really old. It's not as if he's Tom Friggin' Crean.
Very good point but probably we need to wait and see how the season plays out. I will say that getting "outcoached" by J. Jones is not a good omen! Living in this LSU cesspool (New Orleans) makes this totally miserable for me - people started calling me to brag first thing this AM!!!
So many on here want to accuse me of being against Cal or not liking Cal and it simply is not true.
Poor baby. What a joke. Guess your guilty conscience is catching up with you.
The tournament is and always will be a crap shot for every team regardless of players or coaches. At least we have the opportunity to win the title which is more then a bunch of other teams.
Fact is Ben Simmons will save j jones job because without him he would be gone at the end of the season.
Plus, don't forget they have to come to Rupp so payback can be fun for you. My sister lives in NOLA. She goes to a great neighborhood bar that likes UK. Parkview Tavern.
I have been saying this about our offense for years. if we ran one like Vandy does we would be impossible to guard.
A
anon_013cn8yrfncx2
Guest
Donovan is an OK coach at Xs and Os, at least you can discern what he's trying to do. But let's face it. His two title teams were prototypical championship caliber teams.
PG that could be a PG and still score.
Pure shooting 2G.
A very good backup guard who could play either the point or the 2.
A very good 3 who could shoot outside and also slash.
An excellent 4 (as much as we hated him) who could also slide over to the 3.
A great 5 who was a load inside and had a mid-range game.
A big on the bench who could play the 4 and the 5.
That was a team that a lot of coaches could have gone back to back with.
Our 78 team was also a team structured like that.
If they are poorly coached, name 1 set UK ran last night and what they should have ran? And don't say generic dribble drive. I'll await your response. You know nothing about building and running the team.
Tell me what any of those coaches has done that is anywhere close to on par with what Cal is doing? Izzo is not coming here and I know that for a fact. He's a Michigan guy, he grew up in northern Michigan and is not interested in leaving that state. If you look closely during MSU games you will see a big fat guy right behind the MSU bench, there is always another guy a little smaller sitting next to said fat guy. That other guy is the owner of the business I run. You think they get those seats by luck? Yeah, I know a little bit about Mr. Izzo so you might as well take him off your list. What has he done that is any better than Cal though? A bunch of final fours with one title. Hmmm, that sounds familiar .
Brad Stephens is a heck of a coach but he isn't even close to Cal. He can't recruit and he has yet to win a title. Why is he on your list?
Bruce Pearl is another great coach but do we need another guy with a sketchy past that hasn't accomplished anything beyond an E8? Again, what has he done that Cal hasn't already done ten times?
Billy Donovan turned UK down twice, we are done with him and he has yet to recruit anything like Cal, he was in Florida where getting great talent should be easy. He caught lighting in a bottle and won two titles but hasn't done squat since.
You say they would do more with the talent that Cal gets but they can't get the talent Cal gets so we would end up with the talent they can get which is nowhere near as good and not a single one of those coaches has shown anyone that they can actually manage a team full of talented freshmen.
You can't have it both ways. What are you saying we should do, move Calipari to head recruiter and hire Pearl as the head coach? Good luck with that.
You're kidding right? Yeah, the announcers did say this was the best LSU played all year but pay attention man, they have 5 losses and they have looked bad all year.
You want to know why they looked so good? Because our guys, for the third time this year, totally left their heart and effort in lexington. This is why so many on here are going off. The effort was terrible. UCLA and Ohio State also had guys get career numbers against UK then have looked average since.
Look, LSU played awful, they tried to screw it up several times but our horrid play prevented them from giving it away.
Do this, re-watch the Oklahoma/KU game from Monday night then watch the UK/LSU game and get back to me. You'll puke.
When LSU comes into Rupp they will lose by 25 simply because they are not good and UK plays like a totally different team at home.
Not too many are tdlking about the loss, it's the effort that is the problem. I am fine with UK losing but that lack of effort by so many guys last night was inexcusable.
Actually, Self's players are nearly always much improved after a year or two.
Did you happen to notice that this year's edition of KU is the same crew minus a top 15 pick (and another top recruit), yet they're far, far superior to last year's?
Similar threads
