None of the guys you mentioned would come it at 9 mil. Why don’t people understand this? Stoops came in under a typical SEC contract. He’s been here 11 years. That’s 11 years of performance based raises and excellent agent-craft by the best agent in the game. That’s how he got to 9 mil. The next guy would have to be a huge name to command 9 off the bat.
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Let’s be honest, most people would be fine if we could just beat USCjr and Vandy on a consistent basis and get the occasional UT win. There is simply no excuse for losing to Vandy in year 10 on your home field. Losing on the road is one thing, but you gotta win at home.
True if changes are made to get back to 10+ wins. We shall see.
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Only for those that are butthurt and wanted him gone. They’ll shamelessly rush to present anything said out of the A&M camp as if it’s 100 percent fact. Pathetic.
Son you don’t know east Texas football so keep on with Stoops made A&M look bad 🍺
I'm not fine with that but am fine we still have Stoops. Last year was tough because we had a hurt Levis and missed Schlarman's leadership big time. I think Stoops whiffed on the Yenser and Scang hire. I wonder if we had won at Ole Miss how different the season would've gone, though. Those kind of losses can demoralize a team that creates a funk that's hard to get out of.
I've been a UK football fan since 1971. Mark Stoops has had more success than any UK coach during these 52 years. Fran Curci had a great 2 year run in 76 & 77 but he got us on probation. I mean if Stoops leaves. Who are we going to get that's better. We're not talking about the UK basketball head coaching position where as if Calipari left UK could pick & choose any coach that they would want. But with our football coach we've had a bunch here like John Ray, Bill Curry, Joker Phillips that were a disaster. I'm very happy with Stoops.
I’m not your son, boy. Go root for A and M. They are smarmy losers. You seem familiar with such.
But that’s the problem. It wasn’t Schlarman’s job or anyone else’s to be the voice in the locker room. It’s Stoops’ plain and simple. He’s the head coach. You think Kirby or Saban takes a back seat to someone else? We are consistently inconsistent and that starts at the top. And now you throw in the excuses with NIL and the schedule. NIL didn’t cost us against the bottom feeders.
I do realize that it’s definitely possible to do worse than Stoops, but I’m not at all convinced that he’s some kind of elite football genius who’s getting better results than anybody else would ever be capable of. We’re in the SEC, which is more attractive than ever after the constant realignments have left it as one of the only 2 (or 3 at most) conferences that truly matter in football, we pay very competitive salaries to both Stoops and his assistants, and our expectations are much lower than most other schools that offer similar benefits. None of those things will change if Stoops takes another job, so there’s no reason that we shouldn’t be able to hire another solid coach who will at least be able to deliver similar results to what we’re getting now. Claiming that the program will essentially die if he ever leaves is nonsense.
Yes brooks was great but he also wasn't the coach immediately preceding stoops which was my point. We were awful under joker. You don't have to go back to 1980 to find an awful year
That's a strawman. I said it's a roll of the dice and challenged posters to give me a name. Not bad one yet.
Ok give us a name we could get that would be successful
This is a strawman. See above.
Big picture? We usually win 1 we weren't supposed to & lose 1 we weren't supposed too. No matter how good or bad we are.
This yr we beat top 10 10-1 ACC title game participant UL in their stadium. And dropped a winnable 1 at awful S Carolina.
In 2022 we beat Florida when they were sky high. And lost to Ray Davis & Vandy.
And that is where a lot of the frustration comes from. We go on these losing streaks and lose head scratchers to weaker teams at home.
Why is it this boards responsibility to give you a name? Not a damn soul on here is in charge of or paid to find the next head coach for UK. Schools do it every single year however. UK has never had a coaching search with the resources we now have at our disposal. Despite the obvious disadvantages of in state recruiting and NIL we now have more to offer than ever. Now would be a great time for a search, another few years of stoops and 5-7 and 6-6 seasons sliding UK back into the abyss UK will not be as easy as a sell.
It's not just this board, it's everywhere. There are morons everywhere, literlly. There are posters on here that have no clue how hard it is to build a program, especially at UK. Stoops has done a great job making UK relevant. Are we were we want to be? No, but we are in a far better place than weove ever been for this long of a time.
if it takes 5 years to go back to a bowl game with a new coach, you've hired a joke of a coach
The transfer portal can make a winning team in a matter of months, and being bowl eligible with 6 wins should be within reach of any competent coach
If it takes 5 years, then Barnhart should be flipping burgers
The transfer portal can make a winning team in a matter of months, and being bowl eligible with 6 wins should be within reach of any competent coach
If it takes 5 years, then Barnhart should be flipping burgers
Yes you named 4 that would be total toss ups. That just proves my point. You don't fire the winningest coach in history to hire toss ups.
So instead of admitting I'm right you're just bowing out. That's fine
Shouldn't be but I am amazed that after weeks of bad football some just can't bring themselves to enjoy a big win over a rival and tip their hat to much maligned players such as Brown, Key, Leary, Weaver et al for their outstanding play. Just in their DNA to be miserable and want nothing more to bring people down to their level.
Wow, our 11 year coach beat 1st year UL coach. Shouldn’t that be expected? I’m happy we won but the difference between the teams has narrowed SIGNIFICANTLY. We pounded them last year. Next year, who knows. Terrible take.
I’m not mad at Stoops at all. I’m mad at the contract and at Barnhart for agreeing to it. Doesn’t mean I don’t want to get out of it. Again, terrible take.
Not sure how you can just throw out 5-7 or 6-6 when Stoops hasn’t had less than 7 wins outside of the Covid year since 2015. I don’t have a problem with legitimate criticism of Stoops but let’s not pull narratives out of our ass that have not happened yet and have not been the norm for quite some time now.
The impact of whatever transpired between TA&M and CMS on the relationship with CMS and MB is yet to be determined.
First of all, NO one on this board has all the facts as to what transpired and probably never will know all the truth. But here are some things we do know:
1. Stoops was a serious candidate and evidently had made up his mind to accept the job sure enough that he notified some of his closest people.
2. CMS obviously notified MB of his decision.
3. Something transpired to change the outcome of that decision. Either TA&M pulled the offer or CMS changed his mind about leaving.
4. CMS or his agent approached MB about a contract extension/pay raise to convince CMS to stay at UK ( probably for the offer amount that TA&M had made to get CMS to accept the A&M job.
5. MB said NO TO BOTH REQUESTS.
6. CMS decides/is forced to stay at UK (I believe the offer was withdrawn due to pushback from boosters and fans).
Now, I don't know how your boss would react or feel about you if you went to him and said I quit ( regardless of the reason) when your boss has given you a top ten contract and an almost guaranteed job for life.
But, every boss I have ever worked for would have been pi$$ed to the max and would have immediately started planning for my departure to "pursue other interests".
In other words, most people who pulled what CMS did with his boss MB would immediately become a lame duck employee who had better be using his spare time to find a new job.
But bottom line is CMS was LOOKING to get away from UK and MB.
The question is, how did MB take that obvious gut punch from CMS????
Anyone is a toss up. Stoops is a toss up too. We don’t know how he’s going to do with a 9 game SEC schedule. And it didn’t prove your point. The coaches I mentioned with the exception of Leipold have had greater success than Stoops has had. There’s no reason to think it’d take those guys 5 years to win 6 games in a season.
This board amazes you? How about giving games away, then upsetting your in state rival to a few hours later it becoming known you don’t have the passion for uk anymore? It’s clear our mental let down the last two years is because stoops has checked out. He’s ready to move on but hasn’t done anything to warrant being snagged by a top tier program. When he had passion and fire he got the team ready for his last game. What he thought was his last game at UK. No one should point at fans. Our AD has made our top two programs low expectation programs. Stoops has been distracted all year and now we know why. Then his “im a wildcat message”. That was very tepid so he’s still looking. So don’t go pointing fingers at fans. Too much drama with uk football the last two years. Brought on by two men. And now there’s rumors Barney kept stoops in Lexington. How the hell is that? A new contract we don’t know about or is it to just save face so it doesn’t look like stoops was tossed by anm fans and media? Fired before he signed the contract??
If a new coach can’t be winning by year two they should be canned. It’s that simple. Programs that want to suck spend 3-5 years building. Programs that want to win stop at nothing and move on fast when it’s obviously not working. This is the new nil world. You don’t have to wait to build.
That is evidently true but most UK fans don't post on this website.
You don't pay a guy 9 mil to win 3 conference games each year
Dude....5 years minimum before we'd make a bowl game....is that not a bit nutty?
Joker Phillips took UK to a bowl game 2 years before Stoops got here. And Brooks was a layup for 6-7 win seasons in a row. Beating 3 non confernce scrubs, Vandy and grabbing 1-2 wins vs. UL, Mizzou, USC, Florida, Miss St and an occasional down Tennessee isn't a miracle by any stretch of the imagination.
Stoops is a solid coach....but he is not elite. And I don't care about 9M per year (it's not my money) but I do find it crazy to be on the hook thru 2031. That was a 9 year extension and Mitch is either lazy or a good ole boy network to make that kind of deal. Give coaches 4 years to recruit and that is more then enough.
At some point fans need to realize the SEC and Big 10 jobs are in demand. So even a lower team in Sec or Big 10 is at a premium and the ACC, PAC and B12 jobs are almost all inferior (until they are able to leave ACC). So don't sell UK short.....there are now plenty of coaches that would consider the UK job a good venture vs. 11 years ago.
It's that simple to you. If your simple guideline was followed, Rich Brooks would have been fired at UK after the 2004 season and Mark Stoops would have been fired after our 2014 season. Frank Beamer would not have made it at VA Tech. Kirk Ferentz would have failed at IA and the great Barry Alvarez would have failed at WI.
So maybe it really isn't that simple after all. Let's leave it to the athletic directors.
This. You've been a fan a helluva lot longer than me, but I agree completely. I have really only been following UK football since mid-90's.
History proves we have had very little to NO sustained success (winning records) outside of Mark Stoops in the past 70 years. None. 7/8 years with a winning record. Hasn't been done since Bear Bryant. Going back my entire 43 years on this planet...
Stoops 11 seasons...
UK: 73-64, 8 Bowl Games, 4-3 record + TBD
In the 11 years previous to CMS, '02-'12...
UK: 59-76, 5 Bowl Games, 3-2 record
Between '91-'01...
UK: 44-80, 3 Bowl Games, 0-3 record
Between '80-'90...
UK: 51-69, 2 Bowl Games, 1-1 record
So you see the guy has vastly outperformed our history and it isn't particularly close.
In the 33 years prior to Stoops:
154-225, 41%, 10 Bowl Games, 4-6 record
As a UK grad it is good to see us winning more than losing.
Is it worth $9 million a year? Isn't my money.
Is Stoops worth $9 million a year in terms of his performance? Probably not, but it isn't my money.
Does UK have to pay this kind of money for a consistent winning record? According to our history, that answer appears to be a "yes".
Would someone else not only win like Stoops, but take us to the next level? Our history says "no".
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Again, somebody looking backward to determine our future. No offense but it drives me bonkers. Good thing Stoops didn’t look back at the previous 35 years and decide to forfeit the UF game each year.
Look at this cherry actually researching post history on a message board two months in 😂🍺 go get em’, you’ll be top dawg in no time
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