These statements should settle, permanently, any debate about the GOAT.
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What? Do your have to changed the game to be the GOAT? Or do you just have to….I dunno….be really freaking good?
I wasn’t calling you out. I was agreeing with what you were saying. Sorry if it came off the wrong way
We're going to play two on two. I have Wilt, Russell or Kareem and Stephen Marbury. You have Jordan and Ewing. I'd win every time because center is more important. Ever watch the video of Dr. J playing Kareem one on one? Kareem toyed with him. Blocked everything he shot within 10 feet.
Lol, a fair few quotes but Isaiah Thomas? Lmao that guy wouldn’t piss on Michael to put him out if he was on fire.
If LeBron had Jordan's killer instinct, he would have been #1 all time.
Sadly for LeBron fans, he doesn't.
Sadly for LeBron fans, he doesn't.
It’s Wilt, Dr. J or Kareem. You choose. These three were other worldly. It ain’t Jordan.
If you would take your pointy tin foil hat off you could see the poster was being facetious. He threw a line in the water and got a bite.
You know what they say about opinions.....
IMHO, MJ is probably the best ever, with Kareem 2nd and Lebron at 3.
Arguements can be made for any of those three, plus guys like Wilt, Bird and Russell.
I'm just glad I grew up during the time when the NBA was at its zenith; nothing will ever match the wars between my Celtic and the Lakers, or the Bulls and Pistons. You had great, not good but great, players all over the floor. Great players who played a team game. Nothing like the one on one, unwatchable, crap fest it's become now.
IMHO, MJ is probably the best ever, with Kareem 2nd and Lebron at 3.
Arguements can be made for any of those three, plus guys like Wilt, Bird and Russell.
I'm just glad I grew up during the time when the NBA was at its zenith; nothing will ever match the wars between my Celtic and the Lakers, or the Bulls and Pistons. You had great, not good but great, players all over the floor. Great players who played a team game. Nothing like the one on one, unwatchable, crap fest it's become now.
Oh plz, you take your pointy white hat off, im was more interested in his top five. You can only read words mind reader cough cough, idiot
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Thus. He’d rather whine to refs and be overly dramatic all the time. Jordon did his fair share of ref mouthing and could be dramatic but he would also play his butt off.
I don't think any of those statements came from players who played against Bill Russell. All from MJ's generation. For the same reason that Brady is the football GOAT, it's Bill Russell in NBA. Also, he got rebounds before shots were taken.
Does a prime-era Jordan lose two titles series when he has Wade, Bosh, and company as his running mates?
Because LeBron did.
Because LeBron did.
Maybe? Does Michael Jordan at any point of his career take a team with Larry Hughes as his 2nd best player to the finals?
Is that all you got IQ of 3? Come on tell me you got better than that? You see racist people take up for racist people so that gig is up. Its just best you move on idiot
Doesn’t seem to be settled. 🤣
I’m not 100% sure who the goat is. I’m 100% sure that it is not Lebron.
Both Wilt and Kareem, each for different reasons are in a class by themselves. Between the two of them, I can’t make up my mind on who is better.
Then there is Mike. Take Dr J, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson, and add an almost psychotic competitive spirit, and you get Mike.
For me, I think Mike is the Goat, but if someone says Wilt or Kareem, I’m going to say “maybe” because they both very well could be.
Wilt was a freak of nature. He may be the greatest athlete in any sport. He’s physically stronger than anyone who has ever played in the NBA. I’m not sure anyone was faster either. The NBA had to change rules because of Wilt because he could dunk his free throws easily.
Kareem had that sky hook, and was incredibly accurate with it, and that’s just one part of his resume.
You know why the NBA is not a big man’s league any more? Because guys like Wilt and Kareem don’t exist anymore. They both were different from each other, but there hasn’t been anyone like them since.
Both Wilt and Kareem, each for different reasons are in a class by themselves. Between the two of them, I can’t make up my mind on who is better.
Then there is Mike. Take Dr J, Larry Bird, and Magic Johnson, and add an almost psychotic competitive spirit, and you get Mike.
For me, I think Mike is the Goat, but if someone says Wilt or Kareem, I’m going to say “maybe” because they both very well could be.
Wilt was a freak of nature. He may be the greatest athlete in any sport. He’s physically stronger than anyone who has ever played in the NBA. I’m not sure anyone was faster either. The NBA had to change rules because of Wilt because he could dunk his free throws easily.
Kareem had that sky hook, and was incredibly accurate with it, and that’s just one part of his resume.
You know why the NBA is not a big man’s league any more? Because guys like Wilt and Kareem don’t exist anymore. They both were different from each other, but there hasn’t been anyone like them since.
Boston never reached an NBA final before Russell with all of the players they had before- strong argument could be made for Bill Russell as the GOAT !!
they had only been a franchise for 10 years.
56-57 year was red Auerbach 1st year as well
56=57 mvp bob cousy
56-57 rookie of the year tommy Heinzman [sp]
id say he was in a good sitiuation
11. Not 6 or 8. 11. There's a reason for that and it was someone greater than Havlicek, KC Jones, or the others. Rings Are the most important thing in a career. Russell is the goat in hoops just like Tom Brady is in football...and it pains me to say that since I was a Peuton Manning fan.
What about this? Larry Bird was the greatest offensive player of all time. Bill Russell was the greatest defensive player of all time. Michael Jordan was the greatest combined player of all time.
I'd still take one of the elite centers first if we were drafting a team.
I'd still take one of the elite centers first if we were drafting a team.
You're all wrong. It's Kareem.
Won three ncaa titles, as well as three straight most outstanding player awards for the final four.
Ncaa literally said you couldn't dunk the basketball and made a rule just for him.
To which he then goes on to create the sky hook... a shot that was near automatic and was unblockable.
Won a NBA championship his rookie year with Milwaukee...
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar also holds the record for most All-Star Game selections and most All-Star Games played. He was selected 19 times and played in 18 All-Star games.
Won three ncaa titles, as well as three straight most outstanding player awards for the final four.
Ncaa literally said you couldn't dunk the basketball and made a rule just for him.
To which he then goes on to create the sky hook... a shot that was near automatic and was unblockable.
Won a NBA championship his rookie year with Milwaukee...
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar also holds the record for most All-Star Game selections and most All-Star Games played. He was selected 19 times and played in 18 All-Star games.
I never got to see Kareem play since I'm too young, but it's apparent not enough people give the guy enough credit. Dude was dominating the league by his second year. He has the most unstoppable shot in all of basketball. You'd be hard pressed to find a better player than prime Kareem. Dude was phenomenal. Like I said in my original post, he's in the argument but too many people are obsessed with the legend of MJ to even entertain the idea it could be anyone else.
It’s Jordan and nobody else is relatively close. Any other answer simply proves your ignorance.
GOAT - Jordan
Right there - Wilt/Kareem/Russel
Saved the game - Brid & Magic
Next Tier - Oscar, Duncan, Kobe, Lebron
Right there - Wilt/Kareem/Russel
Saved the game - Brid & Magic
Next Tier - Oscar, Duncan, Kobe, Lebron
No, that’s ignorant. Despite what you guys want to believe, defensive effort and game planning is much better on a consistent basis today than it is back then. Unless you are saying Jordan is on a terrible team where he gets to do what he wants, then maybe.
Such a laughable debate. A couple of arguments the youngsters always make that I like to poke holes in.
1) People love to discredit the ring argument because Russell has 11 and Horry 7, but a more valid argument is Finals MVPs! Jordan has 6 Rings but also was the Finals MVP of all 6.
2) Jordan never lost a playoff series as the higher seeded team, ever! Sure he had losses for years as he stayed in one place and climbed the mountain, but LeBron choked as the higher seeded team SEVERAL times. You can’t unchange that.
3) LeBron has the benefit of being the chaser instead of the chasee which allows him to chase stats that are different from Jordan, but they are just that: stats based on longetivity in an era of rules supporting easier offense.
4) LeBron is the whore of the NBA (with Durant trying to now usurp him here). He runs around the NBA (since 2010) building superteams (which also allows him to focus on stat-stuffing) uses up resources, burns it down, then runs somewhere else. Like it or not, people will always respect the one who takes their lashes and builds from the ground up over someone who throws themself desperately around the league (see Giannis vs KD) just to ring chase the real GOAT.
Anyone who watched both knows this argument is EASY between the two
1) People love to discredit the ring argument because Russell has 11 and Horry 7, but a more valid argument is Finals MVPs! Jordan has 6 Rings but also was the Finals MVP of all 6.
2) Jordan never lost a playoff series as the higher seeded team, ever! Sure he had losses for years as he stayed in one place and climbed the mountain, but LeBron choked as the higher seeded team SEVERAL times. You can’t unchange that.
3) LeBron has the benefit of being the chaser instead of the chasee which allows him to chase stats that are different from Jordan, but they are just that: stats based on longetivity in an era of rules supporting easier offense.
4) LeBron is the whore of the NBA (with Durant trying to now usurp him here). He runs around the NBA (since 2010) building superteams (which also allows him to focus on stat-stuffing) uses up resources, burns it down, then runs somewhere else. Like it or not, people will always respect the one who takes their lashes and builds from the ground up over someone who throws themself desperately around the league (see Giannis vs KD) just to ring chase the real GOAT.
Anyone who watched both knows this argument is EASY between the two
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DR J has a grudge against MJ. Dr J was late in his career when MJ came on the scene and DR J stated that MJ did not treat him with the respect that he deserved.
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Reviewing the best of all time:
Are there any multiple champions who have never lost in the NBA Finals?
I think there is one. He won every series Final he appeared in.
Led the team every year and no doubt who the leader was.
Russell, Bird are the greatest Celtics and they lost.
Wilt averaging 50/game for an entire season sure makes it tougher. And averaging 48.5 minutes per game is unheard of also (all time leader in mpg). LeBron not even in the Top 20 of all time for ppg..
Wilt has the top 5 of 6 seasons.
Are there any multiple champions who have never lost in the NBA Finals?
I think there is one. He won every series Final he appeared in.
Led the team every year and no doubt who the leader was.
Russell, Bird are the greatest Celtics and they lost.
Wilt averaging 50/game for an entire season sure makes it tougher. And averaging 48.5 minutes per game is unheard of also (all time leader in mpg). LeBron not even in the Top 20 of all time for ppg..
Wilt has the top 5 of 6 seasons.
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