The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[bigblueinsanity]

Signed, the baltics.

You refuse to acknowledge that in Ukraine we 1) orchestrated a coup 2) installed our preferred president 3) paid millions there to influencers 4) paid off 90% of their msm for friendly news coverage.

Until you and everyone pro Ukraine in this thread can admit these undeniable facts; none of you have any credibility.

 

[hmt5000]

Honestly it became political way before Trump was elected. Putin isn't a good guy, I think Zelensky started out trying to defend his country, and still is, but also figured out he could rich at the same time. Who knows to what degree Biden, etc were also getting rich. I'm trying to give Trump the benefit of the doubt here, that is this just Art of the Deal stuff, but he seems to have a blind spot for Putin.

Theres a really good reason that Hunters pardon went back to 2014... the same year he joined the Burisma board and Biden got the prosecutor fired or "you aren't getting the billion dollars"... Burisma was a way to get US and Europe financially tied to Ukraine.

 

[hmt5000]

Signed, the baltics.

You understand the fallacy here though, right? You are arguing Ukraine can join because Russia didn't attack after the Baltics joined... but then they did.... Which shows they were serious about Ukraine not joining. Now that they've killed damn near 1 million people are you willing to bet they are still bluffing, or will you finally admit they were serious this time and DC and EU made a horrible mistake???

Russia literally said they would shatter Ukraine before they would allow NATO to build bases there. How important is Ukraine to you?

 

[RunninRichie]

You understand the fallacy here though, right? You are arguing Ukraine can join because Russia didn't attack after the Baltics joined... but then they did.... Which shows they were serious about Ukraine not joining. Now that they've killed damn near 1 million people are you willing to bet they are still bluffing, or will you finally admit they were serious this time and DC and EU made a horrible mistake???

Russia literally said they would shatter Ukraine before they would allow NATO to build bases there. How important is Ukraine to you?

Russia is badass. We should consider voting for Russia to be the 52nd state (after Canada).

 

[hmt5000]

Russia is badass. We should consider voting for Russia to be the 52nd state (after Canada).

Of course you didn't understand. Did I miss you saying how old you were? I am honestly curious. Just want to know if you a young dude without life lessons or and old dude set in your ways.

 

[hmt5000]

Someone brought up this quote from a Chinese dude centuries ago about dimplomacy....

”If a country is small but not humble, if it is weak but not wary of the strong, if it is disrespectful and insults its large neighbors, if it is greedy, arrogant and undiplomatic, it will perish." Han Fei 280BC.

Han Fei’s Legalism was all about cold, hard logic—ruthless efficiency over moral idealism. Writing during the Warring States period, he saw small states get swallowed by bigger ones when they miscalculated their position. The quote lays out a recipe for disaster:

• Small but not humble: A tiny nation acting cocky ignores its limited leverage.
• Weak but not wary: Failing to respect stronger powers invites retaliation.
• Disrespectful and insulting: Antagonizing big neighbors risks provoking their wrath.
• Greedy, arrogant, undiplomatic: Overreaching and alienating others cuts off alliances and trade.

For Han Fei, “perish” isn’t just rhetoric—it’s a prediction. Small states that don’t play smart get crushed, absorbed, or erased. Think Qi or Yan getting steamrolled by Qin, which unified China under Legalist principles Han Fei championed.

It's age old logic like this that makes me crack up about people defending Ukr and Europe still.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Theres a really good reason that Hunters pardon went back to 2014... the same year he joined the Burisma board and Biden got the prosecutor fired or "you aren't getting the billion dollars"... Burisma was a way to get US and Europe financially tied to Ukraine.

Burisma was literally a usaid front to buy friendly media coverage. Hunter's firm pivoted it into more dough, all from taxpayers of course.

All they had to do was make hunter a silent partner. They had so much power, they didn't even see that as a necessity.

 

[SDC888]

He's the younger version of the logically incoherent intransigent pro-war position.

And that ancient Chinese analysis is very good. There's nothing new under the sun. This war was as avoidable as it was unnecessary, as everyone informed fully understood, but there was money to be made and a geopolitical foe to be agitated. It's as simple as that.

 

[hmt5000]

This guy is fairly pro Ukraine but he tries to be honest so this is a pretty good video for even the neocons. Russia apparently used pipelines to move troops behind Ukr positions and cause chaos in the Ukr lines. Both sides are still uncertain of outcome but reports are that the fighting is insane and in all 360 degrees in most areas. I've heard reports of 4000 Ukr killed in 2 days on the high side 1000 on the low side... just in this area. Zelensky could have saved these guys but chose to keep his money train coming in.

 

[RunninRichie]

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This guy is fairly pro Ukraine but he tries to be honest so this is a pretty good video for even the neocons. Russia apparently used pipelines to move troops behind Ukr positions and cause chaos in the Ukr lines. Both sides are still uncertain of outcome but reports are that the fighting is insane and in all 360 degrees in most areas. I've heard reports of 4000 Ukr killed in 2 days on the high side 1000 on the low side... just in this area. Zelensky could have saved these guys but chose to keep his money train coming in.

You've heard? LMAO

 

[hmt5000]

You've heard? LMAO

Lord knows you haven't heard, read or telepathically done anything.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Of course you didn't understand. Did I miss you saying how old you were? I am honestly curious. Just want to know if you a young dude without life lessons or and old dude set in your ways.

Remember he's a libertarian, except different than every single mainstream libertarian there is and their stance on this war....those guys are putin puppets, or something, or have been mesmerized and put under Putins spells.

I still can't find the part of the libertarian non aggression principle that speaks onto dumping your own treasure on a foreign land nowhere near you.

They just can't bring themselves to admit the reality without this endless circle of talking points. No one cares about Ukraine, or its ppl, not R's or D's or "saving democracy". It was just a ploy to bleed Russia for as long as we could.

Russia isn't taking over Europe, they aren't even taking over all of Ukraine, it would be a pain for them to forever fight dissidents. This is part of their circular arguments, Russia supposedly will, but at the same time Ukraine can win.

Form a f'n Korea style DMZ and tell Europe to put ppl on it, or don't, and call it a day

 

[RunninRichie]

Remember he's a libertarian, except different than every single mainstream libertarian there is and their stance on this war....those guys are putin puppets, or something, or have been mesmerized and put under Putins spells.

I still can't find the part of the libertarian non aggression principle that speaks onto dumping your own treasure on a foreign land nowhere near you.

They just can't bring themselves to admit the reality without this endless circle of talking points. No one cares about Ukraine, or its ppl, not R's or D's or "saving democracy". It was just a ploy to bleed Russia for as long as we could.

Russia isn't taking over Europe, they aren't even taking over all of Ukraine, it would be a pain for them to forever fight dissidents. This is part of their circular arguments, Russia supposedly will, but at the same time Ukraine can win.

Form a f'n Korea style DMZ and tell Europe to put ppl on it, or don't, and call it a day

No one said that, they said they would attempt, resulting in article 5. But ok. Art of the deal? Also, it's hilarious that repubs think there's just one libertarian viewpoint on the war. Or just one rigid libertarian "type". Republicans, man...

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

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This guy is fairly pro Ukraine but he tries to be honest so this is a pretty good video for even the neocons. Russia apparently used pipelines to move troops behind Ukr positions and cause chaos in the Ukr lines. Both sides are still uncertain of outcome but reports are that the fighting is insane and in all 360 degrees in most areas. I've heard reports of 4000 Ukr killed in 2 days on the high side 1000 on the low side... just in this area. Zelensky could have saved these guys but chose to keep his money train coming in.

I have a simple question for you. Do you haveaa shred of evidence that Zelensky is pocketing money from the war?

I'm going to read up on your Chinese guy. Its an interesting subject.

 

[CastleRubric]

France and Germany apparently telling EU to prepare for war with Russia -

Hard to sort the noise from the intel these days but - they're making the formal declaration - link later

Syria's new "moderates" slaughtering Christians & others in the past 48 hours

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Don't give in to panic or fear & don't buy the con that normal americans should turn on each other

Our shadow government literally spent billions every year to make sure we were divided so we were easier to control via distraction.

Ukraine was one of their pet issues because it caused division AND made them all rich in the process, with the potential to make them even more rich via minerals they were going to run through burisma.

As nicely illustrated in this thread, those same supporters are still dug in because admitting they were wrong means admitting they got duped. The pro Ukraine posters here are noticeably fewer, so that's as close to an admission as i suspect we will get.

 

[CastleRubric]

More glaring is the acute effect of psychological warfare & the various techniques used to control how ppl communicate -

History is important

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Russia is badass. We should consider voting for Russia to be the 52nd state (after Canada).

53rd, you forgot Ukraine.

 

[CastleRubric]

Does anyone remember our secretary of defense D Rumsfield announcing that something like $1,5 TRILLION dollars was unaccounted for at the Pentagon?


About a day or three before the pentagon was struck with what appeared to be a cruise missile or other weapon?

 

[RunninRichie]

Does anyone remember our secretary of defense D Rumsfield announcing that something like $1,5 TRILLION dollars was unaccounted for at the Pentagon?


About a day or three before the pentagon was struck with what appeared to be a cruise missile or other weapon?

Appears he did not.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/rumsfeld-did-not-reveal-loss-23-trillion-day-before-911-2023-09-14/

who knows?

 

[JumperJack]

Admitting to being wrong about Ukraine is as difficult as admitting to being wrong about invading Iraq.

 

[JumperJack]

Precisely what I mean.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Admitting to being wrong about Ukraine is as difficult as admitting to being wrong about invading Iraq.

Definitely for politicians but imo not for regular folk. I know i admit being wrong about it as do many other posters. I don't think i saw anyone in this thread admit to being wrong even after all the dirt came out about usaid manipulation of the entire thing.

 

[CastleRubric]

Appears he did not.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/rumsfeld-did-not-reveal-loss-23-trillion-day-before-911-2023-09-14/

who knows?

It was absolutely announced - it was information made public to the US (in deference to your link - I acknowledge that i may stand corrected on Mr Rumsfield actually going on TV and admitting it - maybe)

He also pulled back his comments about shooting the plane down over PA -

He's part of a machine that's self serving and fully prepared to lie - better to hedge your stance and suspicions against the ppl and entities that have justified so much killing and criminal behavior)***+

The fact check system gets a little Talmudic in how it operates - splitting hairs sometimes to justify calling something a falsehood

Not calling you out or anything

Remember - our government fully legalized military psychological warfare against US citizens in 2012 - so don't expect transparency

They also approved the use of US military forces on US soil to "help coordinate law enforcement" - happened via EO at the end of Bidens term

Thats a redline we always held sacrosanct


*** I believe Rumsfield was also an early proponent of electronic voting - terrible idea -- unless you own stock in the company that
Will install the machines -- diebold I think

 

[CastleRubric]

Definitely for politicians but imo not for regular folk. I know i admit being wrong about it as do many other posters. I don't think i saw anyone in this thread admit to being wrong even after all the dirt came out about usaid manipulation of the entire thing.

Ukraine isn't just the wrong war and unwinnable

It was a cesspit for human trafficking , and probably narcotics as well

Unbelievably shameful how US resources and manpower have been used around the planet since 9/11 - but involvement there is just shameless naked greed from a nation that's been used and abused by British & Israeli interests -- at the expense of its own people and security


and now we are almost all used up

and there won't be anyone coming to help

Should never have been like this
Our people aren't war mongers or pirates of the weak

But thats what we were turned into & there is NO goodwill left to be found

Exit the old order
Enter the new order

You know why you think you're seeing "hitler salutes"?

Its a ROMAN salute - Nazis adopted the salute from the Roman Empire

Nazi Germany was the THIRD Reich right?
Old Rome - and the latter Holy Roman Empire we're the first and second

We are going to have a Revived Roman Empire IMO - power and influence rapidly shifting to Europe and the ME

France and Germany uniting similar to Charlemagne

This is how you get a FOuRTH Reich
Aka - fourth beast of Daniel
Aka - the final Gentile empire

I bet it unites the world in a living new universal language (Georgia Guidestones and Babel) - via our best little god Elon and his neuralink


Its a lot isn't it

Theres a cargo ship AND a US tanker burning off the British coast

Russia bombed ALL of Ukraine between last night and today

US B-52s went active last night as well & we now have dumbass NATO pilots flying close observation with Russian Tu95 bombers - basically begging for a reason

Fked up that ANYONE would want this war
hopefully there's no draft - Germany is "considering" compulsory service again - and wants to be Nuclear armed

France says Russia must he "pacified"

Russianl still remembers Napolean saying similar things before he launched his attacks

Completely avoidable and utterly Fkked up
ALLof it

Thanks for letting me rant - I swear im not crazy nor am I suicidal

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Ukraine isn't just the wrong war and unwinnable

It was a cesspit for human trafficking , and probably narcotics as well

Unbelievably shameful how US resources and manpower have been used around the planet since 9/11 - but involvement there is just shameless naked greed from a nation that's been used and abused by British & Israeli interests -- at the expense of its own people and security


and now we are almost all used up

and there won't be anyone coming to help

Should never have been like this
Our people aren't war mongers or pirates of the weak

But thats what we were turned into & there is NO goodwill left to be found

Exit the old order
Enter the new order

You know why you think you're seeing "hitler salutes"?

Its a ROMAN salute - Nazis adopted the salute from the Roman Empire

Nazi Germany was the THIRD Reich right?
Old Rome - and the latter Holy Roman Empire we're the first and second

We are going to have a Revived Roman Empire IMO - power and influence rapidly shifting to Europe and the ME

France and Germany uniting similar to Charlemagne

This is how you get a FOuRTH Reich
Aka - fourth beast of Daniel
Aka - the final Gentile empire

I bet it unites the world in a living new universal language (Georgia Guidestones and Babel) - via our best little god Elon and his neuralink


Its a lot isn't it

Theres a cargo ship AND a US tanker burning off the British coast

Russia bombed ALL of Ukraine between last night and today

US B-52s went active last night as well & we now have dumbass NATO pilots flying close observation with Russian Tu95 bombers - basically begging for a reason

Fked up that ANYONE would want this war
hopefully there's no draft - Germany is "considering" compulsory service again - and wants to be Nuclear armed

France says Russia must he "pacified"

Russianl still remembers Napolean saying similar things before he launched his attacks

Completely avoidable and utterly Fkked up
ALLof it

Thanks for letting me rant - I swear im not crazy nor am I suicidal

Ukraine is just the latest pet project for our shadow government on their trail to world domination. Just yesterday romania announced there would be no election and jailed the non eu friendly politician who was clearly in the lead had an election actually taken place.

Sounds just like Ukraine, Brazil, and the countless others where usaid initiated regime change because a leader didn't give them free run as an usaid proxy/figurehead.