I'm not disagreeing with what you wrote. I just wouldn't say Al Qaeda sprang from the Mujahedeen as if they were bad guys in this. I don't think they were.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Im going to assume some of you will feel this all the proof you need that Syria's new government will be good for the world and the US.
And a reminder that people in North Carolina can't get any help and people are being stopped from helping them...
This is the most haphazard "administration" in the history of this Country. Can't wait for these bozos to hit the road.
Yep but Patrick Swayze put an end to it.
Hey, did those other 4 sources I gave you, to prove we funded and trained ISIS, persuade you are you still going to deny we had anything to do with them getting started?
Looks like Israel is getting in on the act now. They have moved into Southern Syria and established a buffer zone around the buffer zone that fronts the Golan Heights. We are watching Syria get divided up in real time folks. History making stuff.
Weird how this guy is getting backed by the US now. I guess he must be a swell guy now.
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Weird how this guy is getting backed by the US now. I guess he must be a swell guy now.
Biden's having him over for the Christmas holidays. After all, he's worked his way up to just a moderate terrorist.
People aren't being stopped from helping, certainly not in the ridiculous context you're presenting.
Are people now arguing regime change will automatically be better? Ah yes...lots of history on that one. No vacuum at all i bet.
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How about getting together with Lindsey Graham & leading the charge in Ukraine instead....
Look, the simple fact with these folks is that if anything (ANYTHING) bad happens
in the whole damn world, it’s because the US f@cked it up.
These folk are more intellectually strained, and more message-focused than the Marxist professors and students with whom I argued/debated in College in the 1980’s. I had always hoped that the young Left-Wing students grew out of their desire to spew Soviet horsesh!t, but I think they just got older and now spew Putin’s horsesh!t under the banner of Alt. thinking.
At least those twisted folk of the 80’s had a “legitimate” world-socialist view backed by the philosophy of Marx and Engels. That the near-worthless philosophies of Marx and Engels were then being cynically exploited by traditional Russian expansionism made no more difference to them, than Putin’s fraudulent use of Christianity and “conservative” mores has averted the sad following of current Western “Alt” thinkers, today.
My essential thinking then and now is consistent: if the US is so evil, so friggin’ miserable, just haul your ass to Russia, China, Iran and waive their flag from within. See how long those hellholes appeal to you, and then try to get the f@ck back out of them. Tens-of-thousands of American “fellow travelers” “escaped” to Stalin’s wonderland between 1925 and 1935, most ending up shot or in the Gulag system before WWII.
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Video of Obama saying it.
Tucker and Tulsi saying it.
LA times saying it.
Wesley Clark saying it.
Let me know if you need more sources before you accept our own government was funding al qaeda and isis and then act shocked when they turn against us.
Serious questions... Do you believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction? Did removing Khadafi stabilize north Africa? Was the US Navy attacked in Gulf of Tonkin to start our involvement in Vietnam? Is the Middle East more safe now than it was before the first Gulf War?
The world has been, is, and has long been a cluster-f@ck. For each of your questions, the potentialities of our non-involvement look at least as bad as our involvement or worse.
An unchecked Vietnam/China might have looked further in Indo-China without US involvement in Viet Nam.
And the likes of Khadafi, Assad and Saddam Hussein were certainly no stabilizing influences in their regions . . . . Their very existence was the cause of our and international problems for decades.
Hell, maybe we blew up The Maine in 1898, (isn’t that the latest Alt theory?) but I’ll bet my bottom dollar the people of the Philippines have lived better for our decades long commitment to fighting their Commie and Muslim radicals, and then the Japs.
Hey, maybe we can agree on just how badly the Russians f@cked up Syria, by letting that nice Assad regime collapse, creating instability in the region. Had Russia not had such a heavy investment in Ukraine, they could have saved their beloved Assad regime, but have wasted 3 years, 600,000 casualties and billions trying to take out a Ukrainian-Jewish President they claim is a Nazi.
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OK. so you aren't going to answer but instead pretend to be smarter than anyone who has a different opinion than you. For instance... You skipped right past "were we attacked at Gulf of Tonkin?" to just go to the point that we should have been involved anyway... You seem OK the US government lied us into a war and left with the commies still in control. So, nothing changed but we lost a generation of young men, and it was all predicated on a lie. This isn't some "alt theory". The government admits they lied about it. There were sailors on the boat that came out as well. You accuse us of being commies yet we left commies in control in Vietnam. We left commies in control in Cuba. We left the Taliban in control of Afghanistan and we have just ISIS back in control of Syria.... but yea... the cost of doing nothing might be worse.. LOL
Ok, just a comment with regards to your hyperbole. Vietnam was a terrible and wasteful war. Whether we should have been there is open to debate but there's no need to make over the top comments. Don't even try to say I'm minimizing the soldiers we lost. I'm not. However saying things like "we lost a generation of young men" is not even close to accurate. Using very rough numbers, we lost 59,000 men in that war. The decade of births from 1946-1956 would have produced the overwhelming majority of those soldiers and roughly 18 million men were born in that time period. Thats about .3% or 3 in 1000. Thats far too many but hardly a lost generation.
You asked me to respond to something a few posts back. Link it for me and I'll try to answer.
He asked simple yes or no questions.
Let’s start with do you believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction?
Love how people come up with random questions thinking someone owes them a response.
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Yep, doesn't amount to anything, unless you or a family member were part of that .3%.
He responded to his post, you dunce. And it’s not a random question. But you thinking believing Iraq had WMDs is “random” when discussing US government operations overseas is par for the course. You’ll never understand.
He responded to another's post, not yours, yet you couldn't help from taking his response off on a tangent he hadn't brought up. It's ganging up on your part. Nothing less. Yes, it was random when he hadn't discussed it.
Why don't you answer your own question first before posing it to others?
You aren’t making any sense.
The question was whether he believed there were WMDs in Iraq. How would I answer what he believes? I know the objective truth, not what he believes.
I'll answer.
1. Unsure. I can't get past the question of why Saddam wouldn't simply let harmless inspectors to verify everything was as Saddam claimed. He was well aware of what we could do to him if he refused. So, the question isn't really whether or not he had them but why he forced our hand in following through with Security Council Resolution 1441. Its illogical. Not only that but 48 countries participated in the war. That is a lot of consensus. Furthermore, it was a mere 2 years after 9/11. We were determined to reduce the terror threats against us and Saddam was well known to support and protect terrorists.
2. Khadafi was a violent terrorist who fought with Egypt and Chad regularly. He was killed by the NTC. The world is a better place due to his eradication.
3. In the 1st incident, yes. In the 2nd incident, probably not. However, the US was extremely concerned with the spread of Chinese communism and almost certainly would have entered the war regardless of Tonkin.
4. The Middle East has never been safe and never will be. Where radical muslims exist in great numbers, prolonged peace is impossible. At any rate, allowing Saddam to take Kuwait and gain so much strength in oil money as well as some strategic control over the Straits of Hormuz. Once again you are apparently ok with larger aggressors invading neighbors. Iraq believed Kuwait was actually their territory. Huh, sounds familiar. Yes, the world is safer due to the coalition forces removing Iraq from Kuwait.
