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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

Doesn't the majority of the money go back to the weapons industry, most of which are public? People love to say "follow the money" and then don't follow anything at all.

You may want to keep following the money if you think it’s just going to Raytheon or Lockheed for the benefit of the public, or whatever you’re implying.

It’s keeps getting funneled down to other contractors.
 
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Doesn't the majority of the money go back to the weapons industry, most of which are public? People love to say "follow the money" and then don't follow anything at all.


Yea. Like this guy who has made over $5million off this war. He keeps talking about he makes sure US policy is followed and doesn't seem to realize the duly elected president sets US policy.

Do you think that people can vote to stay out of war or are the pro war people just so morally right that we can't even vote against it?
 
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I know this may come as a shock, but the Secretary of Defense is on the board of Raytheon. That seems legit.

Lol
Can you name 2?
From the left

https://rollcall.com/2023/04/26/warren-hundreds-of-former-feds-working-for-defense-corporations/

Warren: Hundreds of former feds working for defense corporations

Revolving-door practice gives 'at minimum, the appearance of corruption and favoritism,' report says​




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/us/politics/lloyd-austin-pentagon-military-contractors.html

Biden’s Choice for Pentagon Faces Questions on Ties to Contractors​

Retired Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III serves on the board of Raytheon, one of the world’s largest weapons makers, and is a partner in an investment firm that buys military suppliers.


From the right.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/09/30/national-security-officials-deep-state-kamala-harris-endorse/

‘National Security’ Officials Who Endorsed Harris Tied To Intel Agencies, Defense Contractors​

 
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Yea. Like this guy who has made over $5million off this war. He keeps talking about he makes sure US policy is followed and doesn't seem to realize the duly elected president sets US policy.

Do you think that people can vote to stay out of war or are the pro war people just so morally right that we can't even vote against it?
Yeah, he makes sure the US policy (sat by the president) is followed. I'm pretty sure he knew that was implied. Lol, what a dumb post.
 
Yeah, he makes sure the US policy (sat by the president) is followed. I'm pretty sure he knew that was implied. Lol, what a dumb post.
You truly are slow aren't you? You didn't even understand my post. You don't know who Vindman is and what he did and why he did it. If this war goes hot I hope they drag your dumb but to Ukraine.
 
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So Biden wasn't coherent enough to run for reelection, right? Which means he's not coherent to be President, but somehow he can just decide to order that missiles can be fired off in his last two months in office.

Makes sense.

I assume the "putin will take over the world" crowd will pivot once again and say "nah no big deal, putin is just bluffing about escalating"
 
So Biden wasn't coherent enough to run for reelection, right? Which means he's not coherent to be President, but somehow he can just decide to order that missiles can be fired off in his last two months in office.

Makes sense.

I assume the "putin will take over the world" crowd will pivot once again and say "nah no big deal, putin is just bluffing about escalating"

Sounds like the military should have stepped in like that one goober said he did before Trump left office.
 
From the left

https://rollcall.com/2023/04/26/warren-hundreds-of-former-feds-working-for-defense-corporations/

Warren: Hundreds of former feds working for defense corporations

Revolving-door practice gives 'at minimum, the appearance of corruption and favoritism,' report says​




https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/us/politics/lloyd-austin-pentagon-military-contractors.html

Biden’s Choice for Pentagon Faces Questions on Ties to Contractors​

Retired Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III serves on the board of Raytheon, one of the world’s largest weapons makers, and is a partner in an investment firm that buys military suppliers.


From the right.
https://dailycaller.com/2024/09/30/national-security-officials-deep-state-kamala-harris-endorse/

‘National Security’ Officials Who Endorsed Harris Tied To Intel Agencies, Defense Contractors​

This has to be made illegal. And as we all can see, doing so would be nearly impossible since it would require politicians who aren’t owned by these companies. It’s a revolving door of waste that has no end.
 
You gentleman do realize that Russia is just China’s attack dog right?

They threaten Europe. North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan. China profits.

Appeasement does not work. It never has. Putin has made it perfectly clear he wants the territorial boundaries of the Soviet Empire restored up to and including the Warsaw Pact nations.

This is not shocking coming from a former KGB case officer.

One day I fear we’re going to look around and realize we’re surrounded on all sides and the politicians who made it happen, in both parties, are going to play dumb.
 
You gentleman do realize that Russia is just China’s attack dog right?

They threaten Europe. North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan. China profits.

Appeasement does not work. It never has. Putin has made it perfectly clear he wants the territorial boundaries of the Soviet Empire restored up to and including the Warsaw Pact nations.

This is not shocking coming from a former KGB case officer.

One day I fear we’re going to look around and realize we’re surrounded on all sides and the politicians who made it happen, in both parties, are going to play dumb.


Putin wants the Soviet empire restored or he’s China’s attack dog doing what they want?
 
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You gentleman do realize that Russia is just China’s attack dog right?

They threaten Europe. North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan. China profits.

Appeasement does not work. It never has. Putin has made it perfectly clear he wants the territorial boundaries of the Soviet Empire restored up to and including the Warsaw Pact nations.

This is not shocking coming from a former KGB case officer.

One day I fear we’re going to look around and realize we’re surrounded on all sides and the politicians who made it happen, in both parties, are going to play dumb.
Now look at a map of nato with Russia... Who is doing the surrounding? People have told DC neocons that Russia would see Ukraine as a redline since the 90's. Every administration, both sides of the aisle have all said Russia views Ukraine in nato as a clear danger to their national integrity. Most of the invasions into Russia came through the area now known as Ukraine. There is a reason there are so many ww2 memorials in Ukraine...
 
Putin wants the Soviet empire restored or he’s China’s attack dog doing what they want?

China doesn’t want a NATO aligned Russia on its doorstep. China doesn’t want US Troops on its borders in Korea.

It’s really not that hard to comprehend.

Russia is no threat to China. They are a useful tool. Putin restores the territorial integrity of the Soviet Empire, it weakens the United States, expands markets for Chinese exports and further accelerates Chinese dominance on the global stage. Putin doesn’t care because he has what he wants: a return to the “ glory” of the Soviet Union and basic control of the European continent.

We would have saved the world a lot of time and trouble if they had took the Soviet bureaucrats after 1991 out in the street and hung them instead of Clinton and Yeltsin letting them sell off their country piece by piece to enrich themselves for the sake of “ rebuilding” the Russian economy and “ fostering democracy”.

The players didn’t change. The game did.
 
You gentleman do realize that Russia is just China’s attack dog right?

They threaten Europe. North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan. China profits.

Appeasement does not work. It never has. Putin has made it perfectly clear he wants the territorial boundaries of the Soviet Empire restored up to and including the Warsaw Pact nations.

This is not shocking coming from a former KGB case officer.

One day I fear we’re going to look around and realize we’re surrounded on all sides and the politicians who made it happen, in both parties, are going to play dumb.
The mechanism to prevent all this is already in place, and Ukraine has no bearing on it. That mechanism is NATO.
 


People still homeless in NC after the hurricane but boy they sure are quick to send money and forgive debt to Ukr. I'm tired of all of it. It's a grift and we are the ones losing.
 
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You gentleman do realize that Russia is just China’s attack dog right?

They threaten Europe. North Korea threatens South Korea and Japan. China profits.

Appeasement does not work. It never has. Putin has made it perfectly clear he wants the territorial boundaries of the Soviet Empire restored up to and including the Warsaw Pact nations.

This is not shocking coming from a former KGB case officer.

One day I fear we’re going to look around and realize we’re surrounded on all sides and the politicians who made it happen, in both parties, are going to play dumb.
Here we gonwith this again. Putin can steam roll all of Europe but at the same time Ukraine can win. Just the same as some days Russia is no match bc theyre using outdated 80s tech then other days they're military is unstoppable if we don't funnel billions more.

Which ever way the wind blows to keep giving a corrupt oligarchy with an installed govt aka Ukraine money to launder to defense contractors
 
Here we gonwith this again. Putin can steam roll all of Europe but at the same time Ukraine can win. Just the same as some days Russia is no match bc theyre using outdated 80s tech then other days they're military is unstoppable if we don't funnel billions more.

Which ever way the wind blows to keep giving a corrupt oligarchy with an installed govt aka Ukraine money to launder to defense contractors
They don't have an installed government. They did but the Russian puppet is gone. Referring to them as an oligarchy isn't accurate either.

 
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They don't have an installed government. They did but the Russian puppet is gone. Referring to them as an oligarchy isn't accurate either.

You do know that Igor Kolomoisky was Zelensky's boss at the TV show right? Kolomoisky owned the TV station along with the bank that over $1billion in US aid went missing out of. Kolomoisky is also presumed to be a silent partner in Burisma.... boy did they clean things up.
 
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We’re watching a collapse and implosion of the Russian economy in real time. Stock market crash of 50+%, and 20+% interest rates. Gazprombank was one of the few banks not hit with sanctions, till now. Saw one bank offering client loans of $365 with a…..48% interest rate 🤣. Real estate market has crashed and Moscow can’t find enough workers to fill jobs. They are going broke spending 145 billion on their military (‘24).

Regardless of the peace deal, Trump needs to keep sanctions on and flood the oil market with cheap oil, hitting them where it hurts. Hope the war was worth it Putin, while your zombie citizens continue to suffer.
 
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You do know that Igor Kolomoisky was Zelensky's boss at the TV show right? Kolomoisky owned the TV station along with the bank that over $1billion in US aid went missing out of. Kolomoisky is also presumed to be a silent partner in Burisma.... boy did they clean things up.
You realize Zelensky stripped him of Ukraine citizenship and he is currently under arrest. Yep, sounds like a powerful man.


By definition, he isn't close to being a Ukrainian oligarch any longer. Zelensky and the West ended that.

@bigblueinsanity
 
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We’re watching a collapse and implosion of the Russian economy in real time. Stock market crash of 50+%, and 20+% interest rates. Gazprombank was one of the few banks not hit with sanctions, till now. Saw one bank offering client loans of $365 with a…..48% interest rate 🤣. Real estate market has crashed and Moscow can’t find enough workers to fill jobs. They are going broke spending 145 billion on their military (‘24).

Regardless of the peace deal, Trump needs to keep sanctions on and flood the oil market with cheap oil, hitting them where it hurts. Hope the war was worth it Putin, while your zombie citizens continue to suffer.
Russia must have oil at 70+ per barrel. If it gets below that for any length of time I dont believe they have remaining resources to function.
 
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We do whatever China wants. At every level. Hopefully that changes soon but that's absolutely been the case.


Could you imagine if the R candidate had traveled to Russia as many times as Walz went to China.

Surprisingly you didn’t hear things nonstop about those trips on the media outlets who had their “viewers” evaporate after the election.
 
We’re watching a collapse and implosion of the Russian economy in real time. Stock market crash of 50+%, and 20+% interest rates. Gazprombank was one of the few banks not hit with sanctions, till now. Saw one bank offering client loans of $365 with a…..48% interest rate 🤣. Real estate market has crashed and Moscow can’t find enough workers to fill jobs. They are going broke spending 145 billion on their military (‘24).

Regardless of the peace deal, Trump needs to keep sanctions on and flood the oil market with cheap oil, hitting them where it hurts. Hope the war was worth it Putin, while your zombie citizens continue to suffer.
People in NC are sleeping in tents in freezing tents... I think you misunderstand what the purpose of our government is.
 
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You realize Zelensky stripped him of Ukraine citizenship and he is currently under arrest. Yep, sounds like a powerful man.


By definition, he isn't close to being a Ukrainian oligarch any longer. Zelensky and the West ended that.

@bigblueinsanity
Yea... Zelensky took over for his boss. That is how corrupt crime families work. The 5 families used to 8 families after all.
 
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