The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[AustinTXCat]

Russia violating airspace in Japan. Nippon no play.

Japan fires at Russia jets in airspace as World War fears continue to escalate

Russian planes violated Japanese airspace north of Rebun Island in Hokkaido three times between 1pm and 3pm local time today. Sanctions have seen car exports from Japan to Russia fall away by 45 percent

www.irishstar.com

 

[Spica Orbit]

The Madness of Antony Blinken

Two years after the Pentagon shot down his ploy for a no-fly zone against Russia in Ukraine, the U.S. "top diplomat" has been at it again pushing an even more insane idea, writes Joe Lauria. By Joe Lauria Special to Consortium News On March 7, 2022, two weeks after Moscow entered the ci

consortiumnews.com

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Guess the people of western Carolina and others are going to need to start speaking Ukrainian to get anyone to care.

 

[Spica Orbit]

Ukraine's army is in bad shape, over half of recruits survive just for a few days

The Ukrainian army is suffering from a steady decline in the capabilities of its front-line units, according to Polish news outlet Do Rzeczy, citing a report in the London Financial Times that between 50 and 70 percent of recruits survive only a few days on the frontlines. Soldiers have low...

rmx.news

 

[CastleRubric]

That guy was radicalized, just like y’all in here. He was radical blue, you, radical red.

Im not pointing out anyone here - but most American political opinions don't seem well reasoned or informed enough to be considered "radical" anything

It seems more like people repeating state/media establishment words as insults without critically examining what any of it means - and a lot of disassociation from how significantly our country has changed since the end of the Cold War & after 9/11

How can it be radical if the majority of us aren't really doing anything other than repeating terms within a framework of engagement provided to us

And the term radical itself seems to change over time - weren't there 60's radicals that romanticised their radical actions within the SDS & Weather Underground etc?

Our political discourse is no more radical than rock and roll -

OR - maybe i am loopy from too little sleep

Demotic Speech is what it's called
"Jingoism" - serves to protect The State from accountability (and as Orwell said "makes murder and thievery sound respectable")

 

[AustinTXCat]

Good old Ivan. Always causing trouble somewhere.

Africans recruited to work in Russia say they were duped into building drones for use in Ukraine

To fill an urgent labor shortage, the Kremlin has been recruiting women from places like Uganda, Rwanda, Kenya, South Sudan, Sierra Leone, and Nigeria, as well as Sri Lanka.

apnews.com

 

[vhcat70]

^ I heard that a lot of them are named Barack & Hussein.

 

[hmt5000]

 

[Spica Orbit]

Russia claims Ukrainian town as grinding offensive rolls on

Moscow has been slowly but steadily moving westward in the Donetsk region, particularly after claiming Avdiivka in February.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Spica Orbit]

Russia punches through Ukrainian lines in Kursk

Russian soldiers have punched through Ukrainian lines in Russia’s Kursk region only a day after a US official said Kyiv could hold the territory for months.

www.yahoo.com

 

[vhcat70]

US troops now fighting in Israel. Wow, just wow.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Is this now the Israeli war thread?

100 US troops have reportedly been deployed to help operate advance anti-missile systems.

 

[vhcat70]

I couldn't find it. At least it's about war and American involvement.

 

[Spica Orbit]

US Politicians Are Pressuring Ukraine to Lower Draft Age to 18 - News From Antiwar.com

A Ukrainian official said Tuesday that American politicians are pressuring Ukraine to lower the minimum age of conscription from 25 to 18 to make more young men available for combat. "If this information has surfaced, I can confirm it: American politicians from both parties are putting pressure...

news.antiwar.com

 

[vhcat70]

I wonder if U can get all the NK troops R is deploying to defect. It's got to be much easier to get west from Donbas than from NK to SK.

 

[JumperJack]

US Politicians Are Pressuring Ukraine to Lower Draft Age to 18 - News From Antiwar.com

A Ukrainian official said Tuesday that American politicians are pressuring Ukraine to lower the minimum age of conscription from 25 to 18 to make more young men available for combat. "If this information has surfaced, I can confirm it: American politicians from both parties are putting pressure...

news.antiwar.com

Ukraine must be a gold mine for our elites.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Long read, but really good.

The Ukrainian Hacker Who Became the FBI’s Best Weapon—And Worst Nightmare

Hacker Maksym Popov gave himself up to the FBI and joined its fight against Eastern European cybercrime. Trouble is, he never really gave up his black hat.

getpocket.com

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Excited to hear @RunninRichie the "libertarian" tell us how the most libertarian person to be in Congress in modern history is a putin puppet

 

[RunninRichie]

Excited to hear @RunninRichie the "libertarian" tell us how the most libertarian person to be in Congress in modern history is a putin puppet

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Yeah, every Libertarian is a RP libertarian. No one tell this guy, about lib-left, lib-center, lib-right....
Just like not every Libertarian supports open borders. Not every libertarian opposes/supports Ukraine aid. Crazy, I know. You're used to being lockstep with your "strong leader".

He's right about Israel though, they can fight their own wars. Their millitary is more than capable. Auth-righters like yourself, cry about Ukraine aid, then turn around and cheer Israeli aid. Because the bible.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Yeah, every Libertarian is a RP libertarian. No one tell this guy, about lib-left, lib-center, lib-right....
Just like not every Libertarian supports open borders. Not every libertarian opposes/supports Ukraine aid. Crazy, I know. You're used to being lockstep with your "strong leader".

He's right about Israel though, they can fight their own wars. Their millitary is more than capable. Auth-righters like yourself, cry about Ukraine aid, then turn around and cheer Israeli aid. Because the bible.

Over 30 Americans died on Oct 7 and 4 are still reportedly being held hostage. Others were slaughtered when Israel was close to saving them.

Too bad none of them are named Brittany Griner.

 

[RunninRichie]

Over 30 Americans died on Oct 7 and 4 are still reportedly being held hostage. Others were slaughtered when Israel was close to saving them.

Too bad none of them are named Brittany Griner.

Um, ok? So why are we giving aid to a millitary that is top 10 in the world? They don't need our aid, even if Americans are captured in Gaza. They can still rescue them for us, yes? Or, we could send our own millitary in to get the hostages.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Um, ok? So why are we giving aid to a millitary that is top 10 in the world? They don't need our aid, even if Americans are captured in Gaza. They can still rescue them for us, yes? Or, we could send our own millitary in to get the hostages.

Odd response. A country is trying to free our citizen hostages held by our enemy who has repeatedly sought to do harm to us and you don’t understand why we would support that effort financially?

When a terrorist group kills Americans and holds Americans hostage for over a year, it would seem historically that America would act.

 

[RunninRichie]

Odd response. A country is trying to free our citizen hostages held by our enemy who has repeatedly sought to do harm to us and you don’t understand why we would support that effort financially?

When a terrorist group kills Americans and holds Americans hostage for over a year, it would seem historically that America would act.

By giving aid to a top 10 military in the world? That wound be like giving assistance to France in Mali.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

By giving aid to a top 10 military in the world? That wound be like giving assistance to France in Mali.

Are you proposing that our longtime greatest ally in the chaotic Middle East who is warring with our mutual enemy in part to attempt saving US citizens should be done without our support?

Wow. You want us to pay to defend Ukraine at all costs, but won’t pay to defend and save the lives of US citizens? Is that because they are Jewish?

 

[RunninRichie]

Are you proposing that our longtime greatest ally in the chaotic Middle East who is warring with our mutual enemy in part to attempt saving US citizens should be done without our support?

Wow. You want us to pay to defend Ukraine at all costs, but won’t pay to defend and save the lives of US citizens? Is that because they are Jewish?

Figured you'd call me a jewish hater or something, typical of bible thumpers. And lol at greatest ally. I'd put France and the UK above them.


I'm just saying, stop giving aid to Israel if you're worried about, fighting other wars for other countires, Israel doesn't need it. Your argument holds no water, either you're against foreign aid, or you're not. You don't want to fund Ukraine because fox news told you so. And you support Israel because the bible. If you're worried about US hostages, we have a millitary you know. Think of it this way:


Conservatives view political conflicts as civilization vs. barbarism. Israel represents civilization in the Middle East, so that's who they support. Why you support Israel.

Progressives view political conflicts as oppressor vs. oppressed. The Palestinians are oppressed, so that's who they support.

Libertarians view political conflicts as liberty vs. coercion, why I support Ukraine.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Figured you'd call me a jewish hater or something, typical of bible thumpers.


I'm just saying, stop giving aid to Israel if you're worried about, fighting other wars for other countires, Israel doesn't need it. Your argument holds no water, either you're against foreign aid, or you're not. You don't want to fund Ukraine because fox news told you so. And you support Israel because the bible. If you're worried about US hostages, we have a millitary you know.

Dude, you are so inconsistent and question spending money to save American lives that it is REALLY hard to follow anything you are saying or why you would say such ridiculousness.

Your final conclusion is inane and reveals what was obvious, you were attempting some gotcha moment that never transpired, because of your lack of understanding.

Having a foreign policy that is based on the wellbeing and interests of your country is not denying blanket foreign aid. You really cannot be that stupid.

But thanks for showing your inability to state your case by again bringing up Fox News and the Bible. You are delusional.

 

[RunninRichie]

Dude, you are so inconsistent and question spending money to save American lives that it is REALLY hard to follow anything you are saying or why you would say such ridiculousness.

Your final conclusion is inane and reveals what was obvious, you were attempting some gotcha moment that never transpired, because of your lack of understanding.

Having a foreign policy that is based on the wellbeing and interests of your country is not denying blanket foreign aid. You really cannot be that stupid.

But thanks for showing your inability to state your case by again bringing up Fox News and the Bible. You are delusional.

Is supporting a country against Russian aggression not based on the wellbeing and interests of the US? Yes, it is. We are in a defense pact with most of Europe. That says should Russia or anyone else attack, we will get involved. Supporting a country before that happens, is logical and protects the wellbeing of Americans. By preventing a larger war.

Like I said, there's no logic in your position. Sending aid to a top 10 military in the world is retarded. Send the US millitary to do it's job, and get US citizens out of Gaza. If you're against foreign aid, that should be a pretty good compromise.

 

[JumperJack]

The only real discussion about this war should be: this is going on 3 years and Ukraine is no closer to regaining their territory than at any other point; we’ve sent 100 billion dollars that we don’t have; the downstream effects (North Korean troops? BRICS?) bring their own threats to world security.

And our elites want to keep it going and even expand it. No sense at all, just as predicted in the weeks after it began.

 

[JumperJack]

Is supporting a country against Russian aggression not based on the wellbeing and interests of the US? Yes, it is. We are in a defense pact with most of Europe. That says should Russia or anyone else attack, we will get involved. Supporting a country before that happens, is logical and protects the wellbeing of Americans. By preventing a larger war.

None of this is true. There’s no pact with Ukraine. Ukraine has no strategic importance to anybody except our elites. You cannot prevent a larger war by inflaming a current war (this one really makes no sense).

 

[bcw1029]

Is Russia having the DPRK send troops into Kursk only or are they also sending DPRK troops into Ukraine (Donbas, etc)? Maybe threatening them with hot meals and warm housing conditions will cause many to defect lol.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Conservatives view political conflicts as civilization vs. barbarism. Israel represents civilization in the Middle East, so that's who they support. Why you support Israel.

Progressives view political conflicts as oppressor vs. oppressed. The Palestinians are oppressed, so that's who they support.

Libertarians view political conflicts as liberty vs. coercion, why I support Ukraine.

Thanks for the late edit.

If your last comment is true, then a lot of coercion transpired in the world before you suddenly felt the need to throw billions at it. Not to mention essentially ignoring threats prior to the actual act. Kamala was so interested she warned Zelensky that Russia was going to invade and told him he should have a succession/exit strategy. What we do for liberty!!!!

You have handpicked the Ukraine war as some righteous defense of liberty, while ignoring it elsewhere for years. That is just one reason your claims are not believable.

Another reason why US interests should be paramount to our international actions. When you pretend coercion and liberty around the world are what drives policy, you get a lot of inconsistency and spend a lot of taxpayer dollars over matters that may not directly impact US citizens.

Now, before you make more asinine claims about me, I did not reject aid to Ukraine, so long as it was directed at saving lives and getting a compromise, something our leadership rarely, if ever, has promoted. Rather, war seems to be the objective.

 

[RunninRichie]

None of this is true. There’s no pact with Ukraine. Ukraine has no strategic importance to anybody except our elites. You cannot prevent a larger war by inflaming a current war (this one really makes no sense).

The Korean War proves this false.

Of course theres no pact with Ukraine. But there's a pact with Poland, Sweden, and Finland. Countires Russia has an eye on. It's in the best interest of the US, to prevent a wider war by supporting Ukraine.

 

[RunninRichie]

Thanks for the late edit.

If your last comment is true, then a lot of coercion transpired in the world before you suddenly felt the need to throw billions at it. Not to mention essentially ignoring threats prior to the actual act. Kamala was so interested she warned Zelensky that Russia was going to invade and told him he should have a succession/exit strategy. What we do for liberty!!!!

You have handpicked the Ukraine war as some righteous defense of liberty, while ignoring it elsewhere for years. That is just one reason your claims are not believable.

Another reason why US interests should be paramount to our international actions. When you pretend coercion and liberty around the world are what drives policy, you get a lot of inconsistency and spend a lot of taxpayer dollars over matters that may not directly impact US citizens.

Now, before you make more asinine claims about me, I did not reject aid to Ukraine, so long as it was directed at saving lives and getting a compromise, something our leadership rarely, if ever, has promoted. Rather, war seems to be the objective.

Oh, so I guess a war with Russia won't impact US citizens.

"You have handpicked the Ukraine war as some righteous defense of liberty, while ignoring it elsewhere for years". Really? Where?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Oh, so I guess a war with Russia won't impact US citizens.

"You have handpicked the Ukraine war as some righteous defense of liberty, while ignoring it elsewhere for years". Really? Where?

Ethiopia, Armenia, Gambia - should we vote on whether these meet our criteria for liberty v. Coercion, or should we just throw money at them.

Are we at war with Russia? If so, shouldn’t someone tell us???

 

[Caveman Catfan]

The Korean War proves this false.

Of course theres no pact with Ukraine. But there's a pact with Poland, Sweden, and Finland. Countires Russia has an eye on. It's in the best interest of the US, to prevent a wider war by supporting Ukraine.

As in the past, had Russia performed as predicted, this war would have been over quickly and we would have done very little, if anything at all. But, now that Ukraine has done better then expected, we can claim we are defending our allies by helping Ukraine.

At least you are admitting that war is the objective. Keep throwing Ukraine bodies at Russia. We love to pay for war. That is why we never see serious efforts to bring this matter to a compromised peace.

But, hey, in a month or so, someone will post here to demonstrate how Ukraine is about to really change the tide and crumble our enemy.

 

[RunninRichie]

As in the past, had Russia performed as predicted, this war would have been over quickly and we would have done very little, if anything at all. But, now that Ukraine has done better then expected, we can claim we are defending our allies by helping Ukraine.

At least you are admitting that war is the objective. Keep throwing Ukraine bodies at Russia. We love to pay for war. That is why we never see serious efforts to bring this matter to a compromised peace.

But, hey, in a month or so, someone will post here to demonstrate how Ukraine is about to really change the tide and crumble our enemy.

More like Russia is throwing bodies @ Ukraine. You love to pay for war. Just Israel’s. There’s no serious talks for a “compromised peace” because Russia isn’t dealing without some land. And ukraine refuses to accept that (for now). As has been explained to you since 2022.

 

[RunninRichie]

Ethiopia, Armenia, Gambia - should we vote on whether these meet our criteria for liberty v. Coercion, or should we just throw money at them.

Are we at war with Russia? If so, shouldn’t someone tell us???

I mean, if Russia attacks a NATO country, because we let Ukraine fall. Then we have war with Russia. Which impacts the US.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

More like Russia is throwing bodies @ Ukraine. You love to pay for war. Just Israel’s. There’s no serious talks for a “compromised peace” because Russia isn’t dealing without some land. And ukraine refuses to accept that (for now). As has been explained to you since 2022.

I hate war. But, when a terrorist group that has threatened, attacked, and killed Americans in the recent past, again kills Americans and take Americans hostage, I understand the interest we have in protecting our people. I would understand us putting boots on the ground in that instance. Even Jimmy Carter attempted to save our people held hostage. If you think our government does not owe it to its citizens to protect them, I don’t much care for your form of libertarian government.

Look, I understand that you cannot see the distinction. I am sorry.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I mean, if Russia attacks a NATO country, because we let Ukraine fall. Then we have war with Russia. Which impacts the US.

If Russia attacks US. Heck, why hypothesize out your arse about some NATO ally. Let’s just pretend Alaska is at grave risk if we don’t make sure the Ukraine war keeps going to the last drop of blood.

 

[JumperJack]

The Korean War proves this false.

Of course theres no pact with Ukraine. But there's a pact with Poland, Sweden, and Finland. Countires Russia has an eye on. It's in the best interest of the US, to prevent a wider war by supporting Ukraine.

For the thousandth time, Russia is not going to attack NATO. If they were going to they surely wouldn’t have crippled themselves first in Ukraine.

Please think about the lack of logic in what you’re saying.