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The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

Russia barely seems capable of building anything complex. Their new super tank broke down in their military parade. We could probably give them the blueprints and I doubt they'd get it right.

If I were them I'd be scared to death to ever push the go button on a nuke.
Maybe I’m being paranoid - just keep thinking how we lost a drone in Iran back during the Obama days and they’ve tried desperately with minimal success to reproduce it and since then, they are providing Russia with kamikaze and other forms of drones.

Looks like 500 North Koreans are now headed to the Donbas for “reconstruction” purposes.
 
Maybe I’m being paranoid - just keep thinking how we lost a drone in Iran back during the Obama days and they’ve tried desperately with minimal success to reproduce it and since then, they are providing Russia with kamikaze and other forms of drones.

Looks like 500 North Koreans are now headed to the Donbas for “reconstruction” purposes.
500 fewer North Koreans, buh-bye
 
Oh yeah? What’s not true about it? Do you have some secret poll or survey that proves that Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to put down their arms and allow a large portion of their country or all of it to be controlled by Russia for the sake of “peace”? I’m all ears
No, not that.

It’s not a crucial geopolitical end for me, but rather for the country that got invaded.

Change that to us Americans and we agree on something! They would've kept their country intact, implemented Minsk agreements and found a better solution to their internal political discord with Russian Ukrainians like Zel was "elected" to do, if only we weren't eager to fund their war.
 
We are asked to be there in almost every case. You really do hate this country dont you? Btw, its 80 countries.
Only 80... Well I retract my opposition. And again you go to assigning intentions and beliefs on people who disagree with you. I would think after Korea, Vietnam, all the interventions in South America and the Middle East that you would realize that more intervention isn't better. There is a pretty good argument for less military use in the world that has nothing to do with hating America.

We are risking losing our status as the world's reserve currency over this. If that happens it could tank our economy for 5 years or more pretty easy.... we could lose an entire decade of growth like in the Great Depression. We are also aligning countries against us. Many foreign governments no longer see us as an impartial player. Brics is now Brics+. Several countries have asked to join and Saudi Arabia has announced they will sell oil in several different monies. Think about how sad it is that countries would rather deal with the Commie Chinese than to deal with us.... Think about how incompetent our state dept is that a communist country is preferable to work with than us.
 
Maybe you should branch out & talk to some Ukrainians, you know and try to put yourself in their shoes and and try to understand what they believe they are fighting for. You won’t agree with it, but they believe they are accomplishing something and have a very just reason and might give you pause in your steadfast anti-war stance and help you understand.

Yeah I know, that right there is violent war talk and I secretly rejoice in mass bloodshed.
How many Ukrainians fought for the US in Afghanistan after 9/11? How much money did Ukraine donate to funds for victims? It seems like the only Americans that Ukraine has sent money to are family members of US politicians. Its almost like the most corrupt country in Europe was doing what they always did and just bribed people to get what they wanted without thinking about what might happen to their people. I'll bet those billionaire oligarchs aren't dying in a trench.
 
Belligerent? Really? I'm still waiting for that example of my out of control temper. Either you're as delicate as a snowflake or you're knowingly lying. Im guessing the latter.

Its cool that you've learned a new word that you think is discrediting in some way. If you want to call me a jingo because I have a strong opinion about Ukraine defending itself from an illegal invasion by a much larger and more powerful bully, ok by me.

I can only voice my opinion and vote, same as you.
Nobody is against Ukraine fighting to defend itself. We are opposed to the US and Nato using Ukraine as a proxy to destabilize Russia and remove Putin. It's actually kind of bad or the avg Ukrainian when we use them as cannon fodder to get our geopolitical goals met without having to do the dirty work ourselves.
 
Russia barely seems capable of building anything complex. Their new super tank broke down in their military parade. We could probably give them the blueprints and I doubt they'd get it right.

If I were them I'd be scared to death to ever push the go button on a nuke.
How do astronauts get to the International space station?.. Docking with a object in orbit and then exchanging cargo and people and then returning safely to Earth?
 
Here's a good one. The US estimates that over 100K Russians have been killed but provides zero data on how they came up with that. What do you put the over/under at for deaths on both sides? Everybody is freaking lying to us. It's maddening. Yet journalists aren't even trying any more. Hell, CNN calls it "Putin's War". That's just pure propaganda and should be reserved for Opinion pages. It's not like CNN refers to WWII as Hitler's War.


I watch this guys channel because he's from over there and seems to know the area and covered historical battles in the past. The guy he is talking about is an Australian independent journalist that went to Ukraine to see what was going on for himself. He came back with a very different opinion of the war and wants peace pretty bad now. He is interviewing an Australian merc who has been serving in the Bahkmut area for a bit. It's well worth the listen to get an unbiased opinion on what the front actually looks like. The merc is altering his voice because he plans to go back but he acknowledges the problems Ukraine is facing and admits how the news isn't reporting facts.
 
It was Hitlers war as far as Europe was concerned and this is most certainly Putins war. He's about the only one who wanted it and continues it.


You sure he's the only one that wanted it? Why did he wait until 2022 when Graham was pretty adamant that Ukraine should go on offensive in 2017?
 
Nobody is against Ukraine fighting to defend itself. We are opposed to the US and Nato using Ukraine as a proxy to destabilize Russia and remove Putin. It's actually kind of bad or the avg Ukrainian when we use them as cannon fodder to get our geopolitical goals met without having to do the dirty work ourselves.
I understand part of that. We aren't using them as cannon fodder. I'm not sure how many ways you need to be told but they are willing to fight to the death to save their country. You act as if we're forcing them to take and use weapons when they don't want to.
 
Oh yeah? What’s not true about it? Do you have some secret poll or survey that proves that Ukrainians overwhelmingly want to put down their arms and allow a large portion of their country or all of it to be controlled by Russia for the sake of “peace”? I’m all ears

It’s not a crucial geopolitical end for me, but rather for the country that got invaded.
They want to keep fighting because they think they are winning. Their government is lying to them and are hoping for more and better weapons to turn the tide. They lost 10 million people from their country after the invasion. they lost 2 million+ after the maidan revolution. Ukraine is using press gangs to force people into the front.
 


You sure he's the only one that wanted it? Why did he wait until 2022 when Graham was pretty adamant that Ukraine should go on offensive in 2017?
Who cares what Graham thinks or said. Since only 1 country has invaded the other, yes, this is Putins war. Its hard to believe you don't understand that basic fact.
 
How do astronauts get to the International space station?.. Docking with a object in orbit and then exchanging cargo and people and then returning safely to Earth?
Yeah, they finally figured that much out. Why don't their tanks work?
 
Nobody is against Ukraine fighting to defend itself. We are opposed to the US and Nato using Ukraine as a proxy to destabilize Russia and remove Putin. It's actually kind of bad or the avg Ukrainian when we use them as cannon fodder to get our geopolitical goals met without having to do the dirty work ourselves.
Ukraine can't do that. They are only fighting in Ukraine. You actually must believe Ukraine will invade Russia. Delusional I tell ya.
 
Ukraine can't do that. They are only fighting in Ukraine. You actually must believe Ukraine will invade Russia. Delusional I tell ya.
Your ability to misrepresent an argument is amazing. LOL.
 
How many times are you going to keep repeating this canard? Hundreds I presume at the rate you're going.
Well people don't seem to grasp it at a very high percent yet so I'll keep saying it until it's too late... and then I'll just post "I told you so" until you say, "I never said it couldn't happen and it didn't happen because of our funding foreign wars and constantly sanctioning countries for the same thing we do".
 


Pro war people need to accept that dragging this out has cost an extra 100000 Ukraine lives. .. and it aint over because now they are hoping the tanks save them.... then when more die they will hope the f16's save them. Its tragic how inhumane Ukraine supporters actually are.
 


Pro war people need to accept that dragging this out has cost an extra 100000 Ukraine lives. .. and it aint over because now they are hoping the tanks save them.... then when more die they will hope the f16's save them. Its tragic how inhumane Ukraine supporters actually are.
Written like a true Russian shill. Propaganda is a sacred part of the Putin sound machine. Hope you’re getting your rubbles by direct deposit. There are so many to a dollar now that you’ll be getting them in a trash bag otherwise.
 
Maybe I’m being paranoid - just keep thinking how we lost a drone in Iran back during the Obama days and they’ve tried desperately with minimal success to reproduce it and since then, they are providing Russia with kamikaze and other forms of drones.

Looks like 500 North Koreans are now headed to the Donbas for “reconstruction” purposes.
They'll quickly realize, if they don't already, that this is their best chance ever to escape to freedom from NK & Russia. Of course the pro-Russians here are now also pro-NKoreans. They should be even happier.
 
Written like a true Russian shill. Propaganda is a sacred part of the Putin sound machine. Hope you’re getting your rubbles by direct deposit. There are so many to a dollar now that you’ll be getting them in a trash bag otherwise.
[eyeroll]

You busted him. He’s rolling in “rubbles” and we know this because he thinks differently than you. Solid all the way around.
 
[eyeroll]

You busted him. He’s rolling in “rubbles” and we know this because he thinks differently than you. Solid all the way around.
Rubble - waste or rough fragments of stone, brick, concrete, etc., especially as the debris from the demolition of buildings.
Example: "two buildings collapsed, trapping scores of people in the rubble.”

Seems appropriate as a nickname for Russian currency that has been reduced to debris in the world market.
 
To understand the far right in Ukraine you need to understand Stepan Bandera. This is the 'hero' of Ukraine they wish to emulate.



In late 1942, when Bandera was in a German concentration camp, his organization, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, was involved in a massacre of Poles in Volhynia and, in early 1944, ethnic cleansing also spread to Eastern Galicia. It is estimated that more than 35,000 and up to 60,000 Poles, mostly women and children along with unarmed men, were killed during the spring and summer campaign of 1943 in Volhynia, and up to 133,000 if other regions, such as Eastern Galicia, are included.[76][77][78

Swedish-American historian Per Anders Rudling said that Bandera and his followers "advocated the selective breeding to create a 'pure' Ukrainian race[17] and that "the OUN shared the fascist attributes of anti-liberalism, anti-conservatism, and anti-communism, an armed party, totalitarianism, antisemitism, Führerprinzip, and adoption of fascist greetings. Its leaders eagerly emphasized to Hitler and Ribbentrop that they shared the Nazi Weltanschauung and a commitment to a fascist New Europe."[54]

American historian Timothy Snyder has described Bandera as a fascist.[44][nb 13] Political scientist Andreas Umland characterized Bandera as a "Ukrainian ultranationalist", and also told Deutsche Welle that he was not a "nazi", noting Ukrainian nationalism then was "not a copy of Nazism".[15]

Historian David Marples described Bandera’s views as "not untypical of his generation", but as holding "an extreme political stance that rejected any form of cooperation with the rulers of Ukrainian territories: the Poles and the Soviet authorities". For Bandera, Russia was the chief adversary, but he also lacked tolerance for Poles and Jews. Marples also described Bandera as "neither an orator nor a theoretician" and wrote that he had minimal importance as a thinker.[5] Marples considered Rossolinski-Liebe to place too much importance on Bandera's views, writing that Rossolinski-Liebe struggled to find anything of note written by Bandera, and had assumed he was influenced by OUN publicist Dmytro Dontsov and OUN journals.[74]

Ukrainian historian Andrii Portnov writes that Bandera remained a proponent of authoritarian and violent politics until his death.[75]
That who wants to emulate? “They” is not specific enough.
 
As this war goes on and more and more shit like massive earthquake happens the prospects of the whole of europe going to crap grows each day. Go to the table zelensky. Then pump your 2/3 of Ukraine full of turk and syrian refugees. The USA is trying to divert everyone’s attention to this stinkin balloon. Israel has been on a war footing with Syria since 2018, turkey fighting separatists Russia mediating Israeli/syrian conflict. Shit could go down hill real quick. It’s been on on the precipice since day 1 of this war and every ancillary event that occurs brings the world closer to a massive conflict.
 
^ Take a sedative & smoke some weed.
That’s all you can ever add, some stupid comment not related to the topic at all. You’re completely incapable of any level of educated discourse. You’re a troll with a screwed up moral compass
 
^ Take a sedative & smoke some weed.

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Has anyone considered making an OnlyFans for Ukraine?

"Please send nudes and billions of dollars." - T-shirt-wearing dwarf
 
Written like a true Russian shill. Propaganda is a sacred part of the Putin sound machine. Hope you’re getting your rubbles by direct deposit. There are so many to a dollar now that you’ll be getting them in a trash bag otherwise.
Yeah, where does he get off? You should have the entire western corporate media industry to push your propaganda like a respected shill.
 
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Yeah, where does he get off? You should have the entire western corporate media industry to push your propaganda like a respected shill.
Western media outlets are beginning to paint a grim picture for Ukraine. Ukraine simply doesn’t have the soldiers and zelensky doesn’t make a deal soon he risks everything. Russian shill NYT via other Russian shill yahoo news

 
Yeah, where does he get off? You should have the entire western corporate media industry to push your propaganda like a respected shill.
Yeah, well the fact remains that an unprovoked Russia invaded the sovereign nation of Ukraine and occupies its eastern provinces. Russia is headed by a dictator who wants to “get the band back together” and play the USSR anthem.

There’s a great channel on YouTube called Lviv Media that interviews Captive Russian soldiers. They know that they’re going to be exchanged for captive Ukrainian soldiers and are frank in their answers about why Russia invaded. Its enlightening to see just how effective propaganda is in Russia, although some of the soldiers have realized that they are pawns in Putin’s game of chess with the former USSR states. What surprises me most is how many of them consider the conflict to be a civil war amongst slavs and how old some of them are. It’s bewildering.

This 20-year-old Russian soldier made my eyes leak a little. He lost his legs when he jumped into a trench that was mined by other Russians. You can’t help being sad for him.

 
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Western media outlets are beginning to paint a grim picture for Ukraine. Ukraine simply doesn’t have the soldiers and zelensky doesn’t make a deal soon he risks everything. Russian shill NYT via other Russian shill yahoo news

Lol, they've been outnumbered since day 1, it hasn't mattered. Zelensky isn't going to the table so long as Donbas is required for peace. IT IS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE.
 
Lol, they've been outnumbered since day 1, it hasn't mattered. Zelensky isn't going to the table so long as Donbas is required for peace. IT IS JUST THAT DAMN SIMPLE.
Then he will lose another 100000 troops trying to defend what he will lose in the end. That is senseless. And it’s not an outnumbered situation. It’s one where Russia will throw as many as they have to in order to completely exhaust Ukraine resources. You think the worn out soldiers in Ukraine especially in the east have the morale to fight another wave of 300000 Russians? This is the problem for Ukraine at this point. Their military isn’t growing and Russia keeps throwing large numbers at them. That’s your favorite media source telling you Ukraine doesn’t have it to keep up with Russian deployments. But even that you thumb you refuse to accept and believe in the corrupt zelensky above all.
 
Then he will lose another 100000 troops trying to defend what he will lose in the end. That is senseless. And it’s not an outnumbered situation. It’s one where Russia will throw as many as they have to in order to completely exhaust Ukraine resources. You think the worn out soldiers in Ukraine especially in the east have the morale to fight another wave of 300000 Russians? This is the problem for Ukraine at this point. Their military isn’t growing and Russia keeps throwing large numbers at them. That’s your favorite media source telling you Ukraine doesn’t have it to keep up with Russian deployments. But even that you thumb you refuse to accept and believe in the corrupt zelensky above all.
Perhaps or perhaps Russia runs out of their neo-nazi mercenaries and old men. Large numbers of poorly trained, poorly equipped and unmotivated "fighters" is a recipe for a blood bath all right.
 
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