does anyone know? anyone on this site that really knows what some of these players here at UK are offered in NIL deals or are we all just kind of throwing numbers out there to see what sticks?
The Truth about NIL
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I thought there was suppposed to be transparency in this. Who makes what. If there were, it would help to encourage players to bust their tails a bit more.
No one knows except the person writing the check and the person receiving the check. And of course their handlers. But the NIL distribution is nothing like you read here.
There are no upfront contracts. There are "promises" made. Some are now trying to say those promises are, in fact, contracts. Fl St and Leonard Hamilton are being sued right now over broken NIL promises. If those are found to be guarantees then the whole thing is going to blow up.
And maybe it should?
Right now almost everything you read is speculation.
There are no upfront contracts. There are "promises" made. Some are now trying to say those promises are, in fact, contracts. Fl St and Leonard Hamilton are being sued right now over broken NIL promises. If those are found to be guarantees then the whole thing is going to blow up.
And maybe it should?
Right now almost everything you read is speculation.
Either transfers need to be limited or NIL need to be a contract. Right now it’s free agency every year and it’s not sustainable and with no proof everyone is bidding in the dark.
This isn't communism. If there is a cap that hurts UK n basketball as it will lead to more parity.
And once the cap is reached, then they will just subvert it by paying players under the table again.
NIL should literally just be say a 5 million dollar salary cap per team.
The school chooses how they spend it.
Anything extra are endorsements and it must be from a long standing reputable business.
The school chooses how they spend it.
Anything extra are endorsements and it must be from a long standing reputable business.
It’s interesting. I can see how it is a bit like political fund raising. You’ll never say you have enough. But you always want to seem like you’ve got the most too. Not sure how it all plays out but without some sort of regulation I wouldn’t want to be a mid major.
That would be even more of a mess than now.
Something certainly needs to be done. But what?
The NCAA can’t regulate it. The courts have rendered them useless as an enforcement body on this.
I know there’s people in Ky that have the means to make rules for Ky.
But that would handicap Ky if the other states don’t do the same.
I don’t know what the answer is. But I think the problems are over blown too.
Not sure about that. With no cap, teams that don’t care about or don’t have football will outspend us. Duke, NC, KU, UConn, Gonzaga, St John’s..,
Yea I mean my only suggestion that would work is for the conferences to replicate the NBA model. That may also include drafting players.
That would kill Kentucky edge as a premier basketball program so I'm sure that is the reason it's never mentioned here. Would put coaching and development at an absolute premium.
That would kill Kentucky edge as a premier basketball program so I'm sure that is the reason it's never mentioned here. Would put coaching and development at an absolute premium.
Federally illegal. Not gonna happen unless the players form a Union.
I've been thinking for a while that it must be a bitch to make NIL bids. Know where to set them, that is.
I mean, rumors fly everywhere but how do you know what other another team has really offered a kid? You've got to beat that for a greedy kid. You've got to at least be in the neighborhood for almost any kid. You know what your budget is. And you can shout all you want about principles. But principles or no, raising your bid 15% to match or beat a number might make all the difference between whether your bid gives you a shot or whether it's just getting you laughed at.
But how do you even know what that number is? Even if you could trust the kids themselves to tell you, and even if they would want to tell you, which I would think would be a minority, it seems to me that would be kind of a weird question to ask the kid. (For most kids, not for the super greedy ones who will bring it up themselves surely.) Seems to me it could easily kill the dynamic.
I bet NIL corporate espionage will become a thing soon even if it's not already.
I mean, rumors fly everywhere but how do you know what other another team has really offered a kid? You've got to beat that for a greedy kid. You've got to at least be in the neighborhood for almost any kid. You know what your budget is. And you can shout all you want about principles. But principles or no, raising your bid 15% to match or beat a number might make all the difference between whether your bid gives you a shot or whether it's just getting you laughed at.
But how do you even know what that number is? Even if you could trust the kids themselves to tell you, and even if they would want to tell you, which I would think would be a minority, it seems to me that would be kind of a weird question to ask the kid. (For most kids, not for the super greedy ones who will bring it up themselves surely.) Seems to me it could easily kill the dynamic.
I bet NIL corporate espionage will become a thing soon even if it's not already.
Do you think Duke, UNC, Kansas, Louisville, Auburn, Bama, TN, Florida, and UCONN won't or can't match NIL with us or anyother school in the nation, if they wanted to? We don't have a lock on NIL and you are correct, NIL will hurt us. We were able to pay more than most schools under the table before NIL became legal for everyone. Hopefully we don't think our kids were not the higher paid kids in the country. I would love to know how much AD made during his time in Lexington. Maybe more than kids get today since it would have been tax free. Money bags were not reported to the IRS.
Not sure about that. The NFL has a cap and does okay. Revenue sharing may be an answer
Let the boys go pro right out of high school if they want to get paid. They should mandate that they all get the same $ in college no matter what school or sport they play. If rules are broken drop the hammer on the school and player. They get all kinds of perks and free stuff just by being a college athlete. I paid my college loans by raising tobacco and milking cows. I don't have a lot of sympathy for them.
The NBA doesn’t want that. But I agree that would help.
There’s no going back though. The players should make money on their name and image instead of others.
It’s a free market. No one is making anyone pay the players.
This will seek its own level.
Schools or the NCAA cannot, under any circumstance, restrict in any way the amount of money a player can earn from NIL. It’s a non-starter. It can’t be done. Just as the school couldn’t limit how much you made milking cows.
I think a possible “fix” would be if these payments gravitated toward being multi-year deals that are somewhat backloaded.
So say you have a sponsor who pays you a million dollars but it’s paid 300/700 over two years.
Might not be able to make it pay for play, but I think you could partially tie it to number of appearances in market. Could also write chargebacks into the contract if you break it and try to go elsewhere year 2.
Wouldn’t be perfect. A player who blows up might still leave and get the next suitor to pay the buyout. But in theory you could develop more consistency with a setup like this.
Not sure if things will go this direction, but I know if I were writing the check I would want some assurances. And if I were receiving the check, I’d want more than a handshake.
So say you have a sponsor who pays you a million dollars but it’s paid 300/700 over two years.
Might not be able to make it pay for play, but I think you could partially tie it to number of appearances in market. Could also write chargebacks into the contract if you break it and try to go elsewhere year 2.
Wouldn’t be perfect. A player who blows up might still leave and get the next suitor to pay the buyout. But in theory you could develop more consistency with a setup like this.
Not sure if things will go this direction, but I know if I were writing the check I would want some assurances. And if I were receiving the check, I’d want more than a handshake.
Legally they can’t be unless the players form a union and agree to that.
The NCAA screwed this up so bad because they dug their heels in for far too long. The ideal world is basically if businesses wanted to hire players for autographs, appearances, commercials, whatever they would go through the schools and the schools would provide the money. % of jersey sales and other apparel with the players name or likeness would be given to the player through the school.
What we have now is not NIL. It’s just paying players like they are professional athletes. The NCAA can’t even change the rules if they want to because most states have legislation for NIL. If they continue along this there needs to be multi year contracts
What we have now is not NIL. It’s just paying players like they are professional athletes. The NCAA can’t even change the rules if they want to because most states have legislation for NIL. If they continue along this there needs to be multi year contracts
Shhh we are not suppose to talk about money pre NIL, don’t you know some people still think these high level kids with no affiliation to these schools came to play for tradition…
In all seriousness, NIL is out of control. You have guys that will probably never make it to a second contract in the NBA matching what they would make on a rookie deal. I’m all for a man making as much money as possible, but I can only imagine the stress these coaches have, recruiting new players and their own every single year.
How can you predict what you need for your team next year, if you don’t know if your third best player is going to leave for the bag or not.
I'll be honest it's kind of funny to me that corporations would pay college kids.... they barely have any marketability unless your a Superstar destined for a top 3 pick.
I recon it's somehow a tax write off or an Alumni who's super interested in their college sports to throw away cash.
I recon it's somehow a tax write off or an Alumni who's super interested in their college sports to throw away cash.
college sports is the only sports that have free agency every year
there needs to be at the very least 2 year contracts
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Schools or the NCAA cannot, under any circumstance, restrict in any way the amount of money a player can earn from NIL. It’s a non-starter. It can’t be done. Just as the school couldn’t limit how much you made milking cows.
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You're right.
The courts are not going to let the schools or the NCAA limit or cap earnings.
The only thing the courts could do to help the situation is to define what constitutes a legit NIL agreement.
The courts so far have left things so wide open that their is no regulation at all.
This creates an environment where an unknown freshman who's never played a minute can earn more for his/her NIL than a professional athlete who's at the top of their sport.
Allowing the NCAA to establish a Clearinghouse to weed out obvious pay for play agreements would go a long way in fixing the problem.
For example if Matt Jones/KSR gave an in coming recruit a million dollar NIL deal but that figure was 20 times what he had ever paid in the past for the same services from a player and was out of balance with the companies revenue stream that deal would be flagged and potentially invalidated as an enticement to play for the particular boosters school.
Schools or the NCAA cannot, under any circumstance, restrict in any way the amount of money a player can earn from NIL. It’s a non-starter. It can’t be done. Just as the school couldn’t limit how much you made milking cows.
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You're right.
The courts are not going to let the schools or the NCAA limit or cap earnings.
The only thing the courts could do to help the situation is to define what constitutes a legit NIL agreement.
The courts so far have left things so wide open that their is no regulation at all.
This creates an environment where an unknown freshman who's never played a minute can earn more for his/her NIL than a professional athlete who's at the top of their sport.
Allowing the NCAA to establish a Clearinghouse to weed out obvious pay for play agreements would go a long way in fixing the problem.
For example if Matt Jones/KSR gave an in coming recruit a million dollar NIL deal but that figure was 20 times what he had ever paid in the past for the same services from a player and was out of balance with the companies revenue stream that deal would be flagged and potentially invalidated as an enticement to play for the particular boosters school.
Aike might be onto something.
Here are some of my ideas/suggestions:
* at least one season under belt before being eligible for NIL, so freshman have three options if they want to get paid:
(a) head straight to the NBA out of high school
(b) play one year in college and then be eligible for pay in sophomore seasons and beyond
(c) play overseas
* ALL players given a computerized score at end of season
* NIL based on ranking for position that is assigned to player profile before freshman season starts
* only allow ONE transfer for collegiate career. Shit happens, in real life things don't go our way and we just grind it out
Here are some of my ideas/suggestions:
* at least one season under belt before being eligible for NIL, so freshman have three options if they want to get paid:
(a) head straight to the NBA out of high school
(b) play one year in college and then be eligible for pay in sophomore seasons and beyond
(c) play overseas
* ALL players given a computerized score at end of season
* NIL based on ranking for position that is assigned to player profile before freshman season starts
* only allow ONE transfer for collegiate career. Shit happens, in real life things don't go our way and we just grind it out
They could still pay freshman but maybe make it a set limit with, no limit after sophomore year or something. I’m sure that would be illegal though.
Not sure about actual numbers but AR is said to be over 5M about all that has been said.
Nothing anybody can do I think as all the players have to do is take it to court.
The name on the front of the jersey means absolutely nothing anymore for the best players it's just how much you going to pay me.
Nothing anybody can do I think as all the players have to do is take it to court.
The name on the front of the jersey means absolutely nothing anymore for the best players it's just how much you going to pay me.
I was coming to say this. To institute a salary cap the players will have to he classified as employees and will need to form a players union to collectively bargain on their behalf.
That’s why a cap will never exist.
I think this is really solid, but I would add the exception that a player can transfer if the head coach leaves . These guys were sold on the idea that thus coach could get them where they wanted, so even in a Calipari style exodus, the player he recruited should be allowed to leave.
The courts have already ruled restrictions like these are illegal. There’s almost nothing the NCAA can do unless the players themselves agree to the restrictions and form a union.
Another option is to just move the stadiums off of campus
I actually was factoring that in with the one transfer allowed, but I think you're right. Two maximum?
Everyone wants to attack NIL on the players end.
IMO it makes more sense to focus on the payees.
Limiting the revenue stream would go a long way.
That should be plenty. There needs to be some kind of continuity. Unless you're Calipari.
