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Stop bashing the players who chose to declare for the draft

I guess the bottom line is that if you’re drafted in the first round it’s a 100% certainly that you are getting paid. If you aren’t, it isn’t.
Yes of course that is right. But the second round can pay too.
 
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Yes of course that is right. But the second round can pay too.

But not if there's no season. Our second rounders ain't getting paid a dime if the season's cancelled, because teams have no incentive to offer a contract until NBA play begins again.

The only guy who's protected is Maxey.
 
Not saying they didn't make a dumb decision. None of them are NBA level players right now. Not even Maxie, in my opinion.

I just think with the uncertainty of the future based on this virus, the choice to return to UK was a much more difficult decision than rolling the dice on the draft.


I see what you’re saying but who has been bashing the kids? Saying they’re not very good or have zero chance of being drafted isn’t really bashing is it?
 
That is because we are the best. Get used to it or jump ship. The new players don't need everyone complaining and bitching all the time.
You can get used to fans being upset or stop coming to this board. You know what.... if a player is such a puss that complaining about us losing everyone but 1 player gets to the new guys and affects them emotionally... they can go to the g league... we dont need softies here


They know U.K. players are trained to be nba players. Pat Riley said he loves to take U.K. kids because they are ready.

Thats for first rounders.......... what about everyone not projected in the first round? EJ was NBA ready... he'd be a projected first rounder.. If you believe thats for everyone playing at UK then demand Brooks go pro too... and Allen. because Pat Riley says he loves to take UK kids... they are NBA ready.
 
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.
Finally a voice to tell us how to feel
 
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I see what you’re saying but who has been bashing the kids? Saying they’re not very good or have zero chance of being drafted isn’t really bashing is it?
You don't think saying they are not very good is not bashing them. They may think otherwise.
 
If the college season is cancelled the NBA season will be too.

This is far from true. If colleges don’t reopen then the ncaa will continue to suspend all activities. The nba can be played in a major city under some sort of QT process without fans. It doesn’t depend on players being students. The nba if they wanted could play in a sparsely populated area. Even Fauci said today they could play. College sports are a different animal.
 
The only players who get "guaranteed money" under the collective bargaining agreement are first round picks. Only ONE of our guys (Maxey) falls in that category. The rest are projected as either second rounders (Nick, Quickley and Hagans) or not to be drafted at all (E.J. and Whitney).

So doesn't that shoot your own argument in the foot for everyone but Maxey?

Not sure Whitney is one of ours he voluntarily QUIT the team
 
Not sure Whitney is one of ours he voluntarily QUIT the team

True, but he's still listed on the draft boards as an early entrant from Kentucky, so technically he counts.

He didn't go to another school in between, instead he went straight from UK to the draft ...albeit his method of departure from UK was rather different than our other entrants.
 
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No, they had a choice. Most of them made poor decisions. And I haven't seen any bashing. Where is the bashing? Saying the kids made dumb choices isn't bashing. It's telling the truth.

Some of our fans interpret any form of critique against player decisions as an overall slight against the program. OP appears to be one of those types of fans who can't stomach the realities of a dissenting opinion.

He'll likely chastise us with the fervor of Congregationalist preacher for a while, and then he'll realize telling us to essentially "pipe down" only makes us want to amplify our positions all the more.

Then he'll fade into oblivion, and another Puritanical thinker will arise from those ever-present shadows of the Lurk Abyss and repeat the process.

Attempts at censorship never go well on this message board. They're often met with forms of written decapitation.
 
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.
Ok you got through to me with this post. Thanks for the perspective
 
Seems to me a free education and three square meals a day is worth more than hoping to get paid later on to play ball when there’s no guarantee. Not to mention top notch medical care and so on. And maybe improving enough to get guaranteed money in a year or two. Don’t make sense to me.
 
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Some of our fans interpret any form of critique against player decisions as an overall slight against the program. OP appears to be one of those types of fans who can't stomach the realities of a dissenting opinion.

He'll likely chastise us with the fervor of Congregationalist preacher for a while, and then he'll realize telling us to essentially "pipe down" only makes us want to amplify our positions all the more.

Then he'll fade into oblivion, and another Puritanical thinker will arise from those ever-present shadows of the Lurk Abyss and repeat the process.

Attempts at censorship never go well on this message board. They're often met with forms of written decapitation.
Absolutely, SOS. Most of the bashing I actually see on RR is directed at fans.
 
Then why arent all decent players leaving every team? no other team is losing every player but 1 like we are.
Duke, to name one example, is losing Carey, Jones, and Stanley. I'd take Brooks over anyone returning to their roster. Kentucky had three significant departures as well: Richards, Quickley and Maxey. Who else will really be missed? So why does the raw number of those leaving matter? Cal's probably secretly happy with all the departures except Quickley, Maxey and RIchards, but understands their decisions.
 
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.
What is Jeff saying?
 
Duke, to name one example, is losing Carey, Jones, and Stanley. I'd take Brooks over anyone returning to their roster. Kentucky had three significant departures as well: Richards, Quickley and Maxey. Who else will really be missed? So why does the raw number of those leaving matter? Cal's probably secretly happy with all the departures except Quickley, Maxey and RIchards, but understands their decisions.


We all would have said the same “what will we really be missing from Nick” had he left last year and look how awesome he turned out to be for us this last season.
 
Duke, to name one example, is losing Carey, Jones, and Stanley. I'd take Brooks over anyone returning to their roster. Kentucky had three significant departures as well: Richards, Quickley and Maxey. Who else will really be missed? So why does the raw number of those leaving matter? Cal's probably secretly happy with all the departures except Quickley, Maxey and RIchards, but understands their decisions.

You’re telling me EJ Montgomery and Johnny Juzsng sticking around and developing wouldn’t have helped the team from a depth and experience perspective?
 
Seems to me a free education and three square meals a day is worth more than hoping to get paid later on to play ball when there’s no guarantee. Not to mention top notch medical care and so on. And maybe improving enough to get guaranteed money in a year or two. Don’t make sense to me.
Or still be able to play ball while getting an education to fall back on for free.
 
You’re telling me EJ Montgomery and Johnny Juzsng sticking around and developing wouldn’t have helped the team from a depth and experience perspective?
You link two things: Sticking around and developing. They don't necessarily go together.

Nick Richards did both - stuck around and worked very hard to develop. So did Immanuel Quickley, and PJ Washington. So will Keion Brooks.

But that wasn't the attitude of those who left, was it? They either thought they were good enough already, and that wasn't appreciated, or they weren't confident they could ever get good enough to compete for significant time. So they left, even when it meant the squalor of G-League or mid-tier Europe.

Do I think kids with that attitude would help the team? No.

They had examples literally in the locker room with them of what it takes to help themselves AND the team, and decided it wasn't for them.
 
We all would have said the same “what will we really be missing from Nick” had he left last year and look how awesome he turned out to be for us this last season.
Right. Nick CAME BACK AND WORKED HARD TO GET BETTER. So did Immanuel Quckley. And PJ Washington. So will Keion Brooks.

But that wasn't the attitude of those who left, was it? They either thought they were already good enough and that wasn't appreciated, or they thought they'd never get good enough to start over the competition.

Do I think kids with those attitudes would be like Nick, and help the team? No.
 
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.

Yes sir, or ma’am
 
Right. Nick CAME BACK AND WORKED HARD TO GET BETTER. So did Immanuel Quckley. And PJ Washington. So will Keion Brooks.

But that wasn't the attitude of those who left, was it? They either thought they were already good enough and that wasn't appreciated, or they thought they'd never get good enough to start over the competition.

Do I think kids with those attitudes would be like Nick, and help the team? No.


Okay man, I was just legitimately discussing bro. That’s it. I’m not sure why you need to shout and get all upset and aggressive.

Please be well.
 
They really did not have any other choice.
If they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled, then what?

Wait 2 more years to declare for the NBA?

Sure, some of them are taking a chance on not getting drafted, but they would be taking a far greater risk to their potential NBA careers if they decided to come back and the season gets cancelled.

And I think that is a very real possibility.


how about we stop bashing them because their decision is none of our business. We're all free to make bad decisions.
 
Yes. But the draft will take place as planned and those that get drafted will receive the guaranteed money based on the players agreement with the NBA.
If these players miss an entire year playing games, do you think they will better or worse after sitting out a year of competition?
How do you know that? The league was already struggling with how to pay players’ remaining contracts for what’s left of this season. It’s certainly reasonable to wonder if rookies would be able to get paid. Especially ones that get drafted in the 2nd round without a guaranteed contract.

The more likely scenario, in my opinion, is the NBA starts around Christmas time because they need to finish this season. College will start on time. We have no idea when the draft will be for this upcoming draft class.
 
The OP is right. Shame on anyone who bashes these kids for wanting to make a living and support their families. Y'all are the worst.
 
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