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State of 2023 Recruiting

That’s UKs. The official source…see the url. Nothing to be unsure about except why Matt jones doesn’t think it’s adequate which I’m curious about.
I think there’s two different conversations going on now and MJ has muddied the waters. UK has a website but some fans still don’t think they do and it’s MBs fault.

Stoops was saying today UK needs more money. Not that there’s a need for a collective. We lose a commit and is it because we didn’t pay him? If so, whose fault is that? Seems to me businesses, boosters, and fans to a much lesser extent.
 
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I know who you are. Don’t start with me again.
You apparently can’t read. I absolutely addressed it.
First off fella, KMA.
You are a paranoid dude with obvious anger and honesty issues. You contribute nothing to this board except your anger and fighting. Above, I have quoted three more examples where you are trying to hijack a football thread so you can vent your misdirected hostility. It doesn't take a spine to talk nasty and tough to other usernames on the internet. Now, you will accuse me again of everything short of the Kennedy assassination. Please ruin a different thread instead of this one. We are serious about discussing recruiting here. Just go away.
 
You are a paranoid dude with obvious anger and honesty issues. You contribute nothing to this board except your anger and fighting. Above, I have quoted three more examples where you are trying to hijack a football thread so you can vent your misdirected hostility. It doesn't take a spine to talk nasty and tough to other usernames on the internet. Now, you will accuse me again of everything short of the Kennedy assassination. Please ruin a different thread instead of this one. We are serious about discussing recruiting here. Just go away.
You and your many usernames can kick rocks pal. I posted a valid response to posters who are worried about this recruiting class and why this is happening. If you don’t like my opinion I could really care less. Please put me back on ignore. I knew you would respond once I called out one of your other usernames, SECCountry75. You just couldn’t help yourself after all these years. Get a life!
 
Rembrandt90, gun to head, project UKs final 2023 class. Thanks for ur work.
First of all, thank you for your courtesy. I appreciate it. It is still to early to project our final 2023 class. If I try to do it, I will be way off.

Let's just say that I believe the following commits are likely to stick with Coach Stoops. I'm not suggesting others won't. Some of these decisions have not been made yet in a final form.

Jaremiah Anglin, Lake Wales, FL
Anthony Brown, Springfield, OH
Ty Bryant, Lexington, KY
Jacob Dixon, Louisville, KY
Glenn Godfrey, Suwanee, GA
Tanner Lemaster, Washington CH, OH
Shamar Porter, Nashville, TN
Austin Ramsey, Philadelphia, PA
Avery Stewart, Montgomery, AL
Malachi Wood, Richmond, KY
Tommy Ziesmer, Danville, KY

Brown and Godfrey recently said their UK commitments are firm.

There is a pretty good chance that Woo Spencer, Ardell Banks, Trey Cornist, and Jamarion Wilcox will eventually commit to UK. But they probably don't know for sure yet, so I don't know either. Wilcox recently visited Lexington, and Banks and Cornist will visit this month.

A couple of new names are bound to enter the picture in the next several weeks. They will be flip candidates, prospects whose offers at other schools are no longer committable, and prospects who have been working on their academic eligibility. It happens every year. Ja'Keem Jackson or Will Norman could flip from FL. I am not predicting that, but both are still interest in UK. Norman will visit Lexington this month, and Jackson recently visited. Savor Karriem could flip from IL.

Devin Hyatt and Brandyn Hillman will also visit Lexington this month, and Dimetrius Bell visited recently. I don't like UK's chances to sign Hyatt or Bell, but they would not have visited if they weren't interested. I don't have an opinion yet about Hillman, who is known to like ND.

I also think Coach Stoops has become enamored with the transfer portal and will take a handful of new transfers again this year. One will very likely be Jacob Lacey, the DT from ND who grew up in Bowling Green. Obviously Stoops will be looking for a transfer QB too.

As noted by others, Khalifa Keith has decommitted from UK. I consider this a major loss, because Keith plays a position of need and impressed our coaches during a summer camp. UK commit Koby Keenum recently visited MS St and might be setting up a visit to Ole Miss. I don't know what Keenum will do, but I have a bad feeling.
 
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You and your many usernames can kick rocks pal. I posted a valid response to posters who are worried about this recruiting class and why this is happening. If you don’t like my opinion I could really care less. Please put me back on ignore. I knew you would respond once I called out one of your other usernames, SECCountry75. You just couldn’t help yourself after all these years. Get a life!
Yes, you are easy to ignore. But first I want to call you out for being a liar with anger management issues who hijacks threads and contributes absolutely nothing whatsoever to this board. What a chickenheart.

BTW, you blew it on Petrino too.
 
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UK just picked up a CB for Wilcox
Wilcox recently visited Lexington. Based on his level of competition in GA and on what I have seen on the highlight videos, I believe Wilcox could help UK early in his college career. It is too early to suggest comps, but he is a good football player who runs well.
 
Yes, you are easy to ignore. But first I want to call you out for being a liar with anger management issues who hijacks threads and contributes absolutely nothing whatsoever to this board. What a chickenheart.

BTW, you blew it on Petrino too.
How am I being a liar? You conveniently left out the part of my reply where I explained there are several reaches in this class and why I think it's happening. So, who's the liar who hijacks threads? You and your many usernames. You are a condescending know-it-all or pretend to be anyway but you must suffer from a multiple personality disorder the way you stalk my threads.

BTW, I guess you can honestly say we are a well coached team? Sorry, but we may have the worst offense and special teams in P5. I'll give Stoops credit, it's ugly but usually effective against teams with barely a pulse.
 
Rembrandt90...I love your updates and it is fine to have a positive way of looking at things. And other posters can be doom and gloom to their own extremes.

1. But guys like Cornist, Banks are basically MAC/CUSA level kids. I know you'll not love those statements, but this class is going to be a pile of you know what. No other way to slice it.
2. Offering JUCO RBs and the like...that is a pretty bad sign of where we are at.

It is good to see an article that UK NIL infrastructure has been reset which to me is a sign that somebody is finally waking up that being holier than thou in this NIL was dumb from the get go (I mean UL and Kansas get away with slaps on the wrist for what would have been death penalty-ish sanctions in years past).

Maybe we can turn up some good stuff in portal but again...you're going to need some serious NIL to get the top guys. This is unfortunately the world we live in now. Mitch truly needs to move on or get with the program on NIL. He's been a massive problem this year.
 
Rembrandt90...I love your updates and it is fine to have a positive way of looking at things. And other posters can be doom and gloom to their own extremes.

1. But guys like Cornist, Banks are basically MAC/CUSA level kids. I know you'll not love those statements, but this class is going to be a pile of you know what. No other way to slice it.

I am glad you enjoy the updates. That is the only reason I post them. Recruiting is interesting, and many posters on this board follow recruiting closely. Recruiting is what it is. We can be hopeful or pessimistic, but the basic facts of recruiting are not subjective. Each player must practice and play before we know what he can become. I can't honestly say that I find most threads interesting. But many posters contribute substantively to these recruiting threads, and that makes them interesting.

You seem to misunderstand something though. It does not bother me what you think about Cornist and Banks, or about this class in general. It is what it is. I remember prior classes that fans did not like although they turned out fine. I am not advocating that Stoops should sign Cornist or Banks. I don't care whether he signs them or not. I am just saying that they will visit Lexington this month and they hold offers, because the purpose of this thread is to discuss the 2023 class. But I trust our coaching staff, because they have earned our trust.


2. Offering JUCO RBs and the like...that is a pretty bad sign of where we are at.
Generally speaking, I agree. But not always. There are a handful of really good juco players every year. Even Saban takes an occasional juco.

It is good to see an article that UK NIL infrastructure has been reset which to me is a sign that somebody is finally waking up that being holier than thou in this NIL was dumb from the get go (I mean UL and Kansas get away with slaps on the wrist for what would have been death penalty-ish sanctions in years past).

I don't share your opinion about NIL. This issue is a reactive change in NCAA policies that has been forced by civil court litigations. This is the tail wagging the NCAA dog. The NCAA is far from done with the evolution of this matter. You worry about a few recruits or a single class, and that is understandable. But an athletics director must manage the future of his entire department looking 5-10 years ahead. Nobody on this board knows how to do that. The direction of UK's football program under Stoops is definitely up. There have been some bumps in the road this year, and that happens at times. But we are still 6-3. AL and FL are other current examples of bumps in the road, but those football programs will be fine. As long as Stoops is here, I am not concerned about the overall direction of our football program. Am I concerned about our OL? Am I curious about our 2023 QBs? Yes, on both counts. But Stoops knows what needs to be done, and he has proven himself to know a lot more about managing a college football program than you and I do. That has nothing to do with me being positive or you being negative. It is just a simple fact that Stoops has defied the odds and proven himself far wiser about managing a college football program than anyone on this board.


Maybe we can turn up some good stuff in portal but again...you're going to need some serious NIL to get the top guys. This is unfortunately the world we live in now. Mitch truly needs to move on or get with the program on NIL. He's been a massive problem this year.
I am not concerned about Mitch Barnhart. But I do agree, some of these matters are unfortunate. I am genuinely concerned about the future of college sports. NIL is just one of the reasons, but it is a major one. Lastly, Stoops is pretty good with using the portal. My own opinion is that getting defensive transfers out of the portal will be simpler than getting offensive transfers will be this year, because Coach Sangarello and Coach Yenser have not proven themselves yet. But I could be wrong about that.
 
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There have been some reports that Stoops may have offered a scholarship to Robert Henry, a 200# RB from Jones College who runs under 4.45. That is all I know about the player.
 
There have been some reports that Stoops may have offered a scholarship to Robert Henry, a 200# RB from Jones College who runs under 4.45. That is all I know about the player.
More on Robert Henry. He is originally from Lumberton, MS. Coming out of hs in Lumberton in 2020, it looks like he did not receive any Power 5 offers. The guy can really run, and he has put on some weight since hs in the gym. Doing the simple math, it looks like he has 2 years of eligibility, but that might be wrong.

Stoops knows he will lose Rodriguez, Smoke, and Jefferson. There is a reserve RB who seems likely to leave through the portal. I won't name him here, but this is an easy one to figure out. So Stoops might have two experienced RBs returning. Both Keith and Moorman have decommitted. So, I don't have any problem with Stoops and Settle taking a close look at Henry, as long as Henry is the third RB in our 2023 class. I think Stoops badly needs Wilcox. Wilcox is the real deal, and I think he can contribute as a true freshman similar to how Quinshon Judkins has contributed at Ole MS this year. It would seem that we could sign Wilcox and take a transfer RB out of the portal, assuming Settle can get the guy he wants. Potential transfers might be concerned about our OL, but John Young, Kiyaunta Goodwin, Grant Bingham, and Nik Hall are huge dudes with talent. Plus Flax and Burton were 4 stars. So this can be managed, but it will require some finesse.
 
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More on Robert Henry. He is originally from Lumberton, MS. Coming out of hs in Lumberton in 2020, it looks like he did not receive any Power 5 offers. The guy can really run, and he has put on some weight since hs in the gym. Doing the simple math, it looks like he has 2 years of eligibility, but that might be wrong.

Stoops knows he will lose Rodriguez, Smoke, and Jefferson. There is a reserve RB who seems likely to leave through the portal. I won't name him here, but this is an easy one to figure out. So Stoops might have two experienced RBs returning. Both Keith and Moorman have decommitted. So, I don't have any problem with Stoops and Settle taking a close look at Henry, as long as Henry is the third RB in our 2023 class. I think Stoops badly needs Wilcox. Wilcox is the real deal, and I think he can contribute as a true freshman similar to how Quinshon Judkins has contributed at Ole MS this year. It would seem that we could sign Wilcox and take a transfer RB out of the portal, assuming Settle can get the guy he wants. Potential transfers might be concerned about our OL, but John Young, Kiyaunta Goodwin, Grant Bingham, and Nik Hall are huge dudes with talent. Plus Flax and Burton were 4 stars. So this can be managed, but it will require some finesse.
I still have hopes for Paul Rodriguez too .
 
I am glad you enjoy the updates. That is the only reason I post them. Recruiting is interesting, and many posters on this board follow recruiting closely. Recruiting is what it is. We can be hopeful or pessimistic, but the basic facts of recruiting are not subjective. Each player must practice and play before we know what he can become. I can't honestly say that I find most threads interesting. But many posters contribute substantively to these recruiting threads, and that makes them interesting.

You seem to misunderstand something though. It does not bother me what you think about Cornist and Banks, or about this class in general. It is what it is. I remember prior classes that fans did not like although they turned out fine. I am not advocating that Stoops should sign Cornist or Banks. I don't care whether he signs them or not. I am just saying that they will visit Lexington this month and they hold offers, because the purpose of this thread is to discuss the 2023 class. But I trust our coaching staff, because they have earned our trust.



Generally speaking, I agree. But not always. There are a handful of really good juco players every year. Even Saban takes an occasional juco.



I don't share your opinion about NIL. This issue is a reactive change in NCAA policies that has been forced by civil court litigations. This is the tail wagging the NCAA dog. The NCAA is far from done with the evolution of this matter. You worry about a few recruits or a single class, and that is understandable. But an athletics director must manage the future of his entire department looking 5-10 years ahead. Nobody on this board knows how to do that. The direction of UK's football program under Stoops is definitely up. There have been some bumps in the road this year, and that happens at times. But we are still 6-3. AL and FL are other current examples of bumps in the road, but those football programs will be fine. As long as Stoops is here, I am not concerned about the overall direction of our football program. Am I concerned about our OL? Am I curious about our 2023 QBs? Yes, on both counts. But Stoops knows what needs to be done, and he has proven himself to know a lot more about managing a college football program than you and I do. That has nothing to do with me being positive or you being negative. It is just a simple fact that Stoops has defied the odds and proven himself far wiser about managing a college football program than anyone on this board.



I am not concerned about Mitch Barnhart. But I do agree, some of these matters are unfortunate. I am genuinely concerned about the future of college sports. NIL is just one of the reasons, but it is a major one. Lastly, Stoops is pretty good with using the portal. My own opinion is that getting defensive transfers out of the portal will be simpler than getting offensive transfers will be this year, because Coach Sangarello and Coach Yenser have not proven themselves yet. But I could be wrong about that.

To your point one of our better classes on paper turned out to not make much of any impact on the field, and many of those recruits transferred out because they couldn't Crack the depth chart. It's been a few years so I can't remember the class. Over 20 years some of our best players were recruits that weren't superSTARS in the ratings. Most actually.

This staff knows how to evaluate talent and land talent. Let's hope the last few scholarships go to game changers in the mold of Lynn Bowden and others we've enjoyed playing for UK
 
To your point one of our better classes on paper turned out to not make much of any impact on the field, and many of those recruits transferred out because they couldn't Crack the depth chart. It's been a few years so I can't remember the class. Over 20 years some of our best players were recruits that weren't superSTARS in the ratings. Most actually.

This staff knows how to evaluate talent and land talent. Let's hope the last few scholarships go to game changers in the mold of Lynn Bowden and others we've enjoyed playing for UK
You're prob talking about the '19 class. Several of them stuck around three years but seen they're never gonna make an impact and transferred.
 
I appreciate the evaluation of talent, finding hidden jems, and the surprising joy of watching a 3* lightly regarded guy rise up to play as one of the best.

But this is a numbers game, a facts game, 85 man roster vs 85 man roster. There are a few exceptions that disprove recruiting rankings. But I watch enough if this sport if all teams nationwide, it is simply reality that stars and recruiting rankings matter on the field.

More often than not, 9 times out of 10, a 3* wide reciever ain't getting open against a 4* corner. A 3* left tackle is gonna get whooped 4 or 5 times a pass rush by a 5* OLB. A 3* rb ain't gonna make a 4* safety miss a tackle.

Our winning years recently have been due to some 3*s who developed into NFL drafted talent, no doubt. That's a lot of good luck imo, but unsustainable. Let's try to get some more Barion Browns and Deon Walkers, where we don't have to hope so much all recruiting services and all other P5 staffs were wrong.
 
I appreciate the evaluation of talent, finding hidden jems, and the surprising joy of watching a 3* lightly regarded guy rise up to play as one of the best.

But this is a numbers game, a facts game, 85 man roster vs 85 man roster. There are a few exceptions that disprove recruiting rankings. But I watch enough if this sport if all teams nationwide, it is simply reality that stars and recruiting rankings matter on the field.

More often than not, 9 times out of 10, a 3* wide reciever ain't getting open against a 4* corner. A 3* left tackle is gonna get whooped 4 or 5 times a pass rush by a 5* OLB. A 3* rb ain't gonna make a 4* safety miss a tackle.

Our winning years recently have been due to some 3*s who developed into NFL drafted talent, no doubt. That's a lot of good luck imo, but unsustainable. Let's try to get some more Barion Browns and Deon Walkers, where we don't have to hope so much all recruiting services and all other P5 staffs were wrong.
Of course it would be amazing to fill the roster with Barion's, Deone's, Trevin's, etc. That is not happening at this point. Burton was ranked as high and will eventually be really good. We have also had Anele, Casey, Douglass, etc that haven't had any impact. The 2020 class that had 8-9 4 star guys really hasn't made a huge impact. Rogers starts but is avg at NT, Hayes has lost his spot and get few reps, Drennan and Anaele might as well transfer, Williams and Adam's are gone, Flax is possibly our worst starting lineman, and young and Burford can't get on the field, the best players from that class were lower ranked. Before someone says something stupid, I'm not saying they should go after lower ranked players but there has to be more evaluation than what rivals and 247 say.

After last year i think most of us thought this would be another class like '22 but the best prospects weren't interested. I think part of it they went after some Deone's and missed, while some guys like ox were committing elsewhere. They went hard after Reese and Matthew in Ohio and were possibly leading, but they got their osu offer and it was over. While chasing them some lower ranked guys committed elsewhere. There were lots of reasons including turnover that things have played out like they have. We can blame the new recruiters and I agree they aren't good, but some of our biggest misses were Marrow recruits
 
Kentucky always going to be built upon having to identify and develop players HOWEVER we still need a bit more blue chip guys. This 22 class is a prime example of just having Dudes.
 
I appreciate the evaluation of talent, finding hidden jems, and the surprising joy of watching a 3* lightly regarded guy rise up to play as one of the best.

But this is a numbers game, a facts game, 85 man roster vs 85 man roster. There are a few exceptions that disprove recruiting rankings. But I watch enough if this sport if all teams nationwide, it is simply reality that stars and recruiting rankings matter on the field.

More often than not, 9 times out of 10, a 3* wide reciever ain't getting open against a 4* corner. A 3* left tackle is gonna get whooped 4 or 5 times a pass rush by a 5* OLB. A 3* rb ain't gonna make a 4* safety miss a tackle.

Our winning years recently have been due to some 3*s who developed into NFL drafted talent, no doubt. That's a lot of good luck imo, but unsustainable. Let's try to get some more Barion Browns and Deon Walkers, where we don't have to hope so much all recruiting services and all other P5 staffs were wrong.

Here is where we agree. Coach Stoops should sign the best players he can sign. We also agree that if one looks at all the 4 star prospects, that group will include some players who succeed and some who become stars.

Here is where we do not agree. It takes years after hs graduation to find out which players are, or aren't, well suited by talent and intangibles to play SEC football. Assessing which players fall into this category as hs juniors and seniors is a job for coaches with actual evaluating, recruiting, and developmental experience. Coaches do it because their coaching careers depend on it. Internet websites do it because it gets lots of clicks and sells premium memberships, not because they are necessarily good at it.

It is simply not the truth that a 3 star receiver cannot get open "9 times out of 10" against a 4 star corner. You are really drinking the koolaid there. Juice Johnson, Stevie Johnson, and Keenan Burton were 3 star receivers. Joel Williams was a 4 star corner. It is simply not true that a 3 star RB cannot make a 4 star safety miss. Chris Rodriguez, Bennie Snell, and Rafael Little were 3 star RBs. Moses Douglass and Marcus McWilson were 4 star safeties.

BTW, Josh Allen, Calvin Taylor, Trevard Lindley, Dickie Lyons Jr., Myron Pryor, Garry Williams, and Jon Toth were two stars. Randall Cobb and Jacob Tamme were originally give 2 stars before both were promoted to 3 stars by the internet services sometime between signing and performing as UK starters. Bud Dupree, Jeremy Jarmon, Bunchy Stallings, George Asafo Adjei, Deandre Square, and Jordan Wright were 3 stars. Alex Smith, Jared Casey, Thaddeus Snodgrass, Matt Elam, Eli Brown, and Jason Hatcher, Joey Gatewood, Michael Drennen, Josaih Hayes, Sam Anaele, Jeremy Flax, and Dekel Crowdus were 4 stars.

Josh Jacobs, currently one of the top RBs in the NFL, was one of the lowest rated signees in his class at AL. Buffalo all-pro QB Josh Allen was a 2 star who did not receive a single Power 5 offer coming out of hs. Aaron Donald, probably the best player in the NFL today, was a 3 star in Pittsburgh.

So if one is a balls to the wall believer in star ratings, one could just dismiss all of these facts by saying there are exceptions. Yes, there are exceptions. LOTS and LOTS of exceptions. If one wants to believe that star ratings mean anything, they must explain how Stoops' UK teams beat PA St, VA Tech, FL, SCar, and LSU since those teams almost always have higher rated classes according to the internet. At the end of the day, football is about winning games. Stoops is winning games. Lots of them.

Whatever one believes, one must admit that some coaching staffs are much better at talent evaluation than internet websites are. UK's coaches have proven they fall into that category. I would say that, generally, all successful coaching staffs do this better than internet columnists.

No one should pass judgment on a college recruiting class for 3-4 years. Doing so is an illusion. It may be entertaining, but it is not real. No player should be judged as a college player until he has played several years of college football. A few don't even blossom until playing in the NFL. The proof is out there for any open minded person to see.
 
Here is where we agree. Coach Stoops should sign the best players he can sign. We also agree that if one looks at all the 4 star prospects, that group will include some players who succeed and some who become stars.

Here is where we do not agree. It takes years after hs graduation to find out which players are, or aren't, well suited by talent and intangibles to play SEC football. Assessing which players fall into this category as hs juniors and seniors is a job for coaches with actual evaluating, recruiting, and developmental experience. Coaches do it because their coaching careers depend on it. Internet websites do it because it gets lots of clicks and sells premium memberships, not because they are necessarily good at it.

It is simply not the truth that a 3 star receiver cannot get open "9 times out of 10" against a 4 star corner. You are really drinking the koolaid there. Juice Johnson, Stevie Johnson, and Keenan Burton were 3 star receivers. Joel Williams was a 4 star corner. It is simply not true that a 3 star RB cannot make a 4 star safety miss. Chris Rodriguez, Bennie Snell, and Rafael Little were 3 star RBs. Moses Douglass and Marcus McWilson were 4 star safeties.

BTW, Josh Allen, Calvin Taylor, Trevard Lindley, Dickie Lyons Jr., Myron Pryor, Garry Williams, and Jon Toth were two stars. Randall Cobb and Jacob Tamme were originally give 2 stars before both were promoted to 3 stars by the internet services sometime between signing and performing as UK starters. Bud Dupree, Jeremy Jarmon, Bunchy Stallings, George Asafo Adjei, Deandre Square, and Jordan Wright were 3 stars. Alex Smith, Jared Casey, Thaddeus Snodgrass, Matt Elam, Eli Brown, and Jason Hatcher, Joey Gatewood, Michael Drennen, Josaih Hayes, Sam Anaele, Jeremy Flax, and Dekel Crowdus were 4 stars.

Josh Jacobs, currently one of the top RBs in the NFL, was one of the lowest rated signees in his class at AL. Buffalo all-pro QB Josh Allen was a 2 star who did not receive a single Power 5 offer coming out of hs. Aaron Donald, probably the best player in the NFL today, was a 3 star in Pittsburgh.

So if one is a balls to the wall believer in star ratings, one could just dismiss all of these facts by saying there are exceptions. Yes, there are exceptions. LOTS and LOTS of exceptions. If one wants to believe that star ratings mean anything, they must explain how Stoops' UK teams beat PA St, VA Tech, FL, SCar, and LSU since those teams almost always have higher rated classes according to the internet. At the end of the day, football is about winning games. Stoops is winning games. Lots of them.

Whatever one believes, one must admit that some coaching staffs are much better at talent evaluation than internet websites are. UK's coaches have proven they fall into that category. I would say that, generally, all successful coaching staffs do this better than internet columnists.

No one should pass judgment on a college recruiting class for 3-4 years. Doing so is an illusion. It may be entertaining, but it is not real. No player should be judged as a college player until he has played several years of college football. A few don't even blossom until playing in the NFL. The proof is out there for any open minded person to see.

Perfectly stated but it won't be heard by those who need to hear it. It's in one ear and out the other, never taken to heart. Never understood. We've been saying this on boards for over 20+ years.
 
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Here is where we agree. Coach Stoops should sign the best players he can sign. We also agree that if one looks at all the 4 star prospects, that group will include some players who succeed and some who become stars.

Here is where we do not agree. It takes years after hs graduation to find out which players are, or aren't, well suited by talent and intangibles to play SEC football. Assessing which players fall into this category as hs juniors and seniors is a job for coaches with actual evaluating, recruiting, and developmental experience. Coaches do it because their coaching careers depend on it. Internet websites do it because it gets lots of clicks and sells premium memberships, not because they are necessarily good at it.

It is simply not the truth that a 3 star receiver cannot get open "9 times out of 10" against a 4 star corner. You are really drinking the koolaid there. Juice Johnson, Stevie Johnson, and Keenan Burton were 3 star receivers. Joel Williams was a 4 star corner. It is simply not true that a 3 star RB cannot make a 4 star safety miss. Chris Rodriguez, Bennie Snell, and Rafael Little were 3 star RBs. Moses Douglass and Marcus McWilson were 4 star safeties.

BTW, Josh Allen, Calvin Taylor, Trevard Lindley, Dickie Lyons Jr., Myron Pryor, Garry Williams, and Jon Toth were two stars. Randall Cobb and Jacob Tamme were originally give 2 stars before both were promoted to 3 stars by the internet services sometime between signing and performing as UK starters. Bud Dupree, Jeremy Jarmon, Bunchy Stallings, George Asafo Adjei, Deandre Square, and Jordan Wright were 3 stars. Alex Smith, Jared Casey, Thaddeus Snodgrass, Matt Elam, Eli Brown, and Jason Hatcher, Joey Gatewood, Michael Drennen, Josaih Hayes, Sam Anaele, Jeremy Flax, and Dekel Crowdus were 4 stars.

Josh Jacobs, currently one of the top RBs in the NFL, was one of the lowest rated signees in his class at AL. Buffalo all-pro QB Josh Allen was a 2 star who did not receive a single Power 5 offer coming out of hs. Aaron Donald, probably the best player in the NFL today, was a 3 star in Pittsburgh.

So if one is a balls to the wall believer in star ratings, one could just dismiss all of these facts by saying there are exceptions. Yes, there are exceptions. LOTS and LOTS of exceptions. If one wants to believe that star ratings mean anything, they must explain how Stoops' UK teams beat PA St, VA Tech, FL, SCar, and LSU since those teams almost always have higher rated classes according to the internet. At the end of the day, football is about winning games. Stoops is winning games. Lots of them.

Whatever one believes, one must admit that some coaching staffs are much better at talent evaluation than internet websites are. UK's coaches have proven they fall into that category. I would say that, generally, all successful coaching staffs do this better than internet columnists.

No one should pass judgment on a college recruiting class for 3-4 years. Doing so is an illusion. It may be entertaining, but it is not real. No player should be judged as a college player until he has played several years of college football. A few don't even blossom until playing in the NFL. The proof is out there for any open minded person to see.
Everything here is true. I just want the staff to get the players THEY want.
 
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Everything here is true. I just want the staff to get the players THEY want.

Your statement sums up recruiting well.

I agree 100% with Rembrandt that Stoops has repeatedly proven that he and his staff know how to develop players, and internet recruiting rankings are far from being the last word on a recruit’s future ability.

But, I also believe lack of NIL (and other reasons) has caused Stoops to miss on players he desires and take some players they THINK they can develop.

I agree with wanting our staff to be in position to get many players they Cherry Pick to elevate program to next level instead of HOPING to develop some diamonds in the rough. He would much rather stack classes like last year’s class.
 
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First of all, thank you for your courtesy. I appreciate it. It is still to early to project our final 2023 class. If I try to do it, I will be way off.

Let's just say that I believe the following commits are likely to stick with Coach Stoops. I'm not suggesting others won't. Some of these decisions have not been made yet in a final form.

Jaremiah Anglin, Lake Wales, FL
Anthony Brown, Springfield, OH
Ty Bryant, Lexington, KY
Jacob Dixon, Louisville, KY
Glenn Godfrey, Suwanee, GA
Tanner Lemaster, Washington CH, OH
Shamar Porter, Nashville, TN
Austin Ramsey, Philadelphia, PA
Avery Stewart, Montgomery, AL
Malachi Wood, Richmond, KY
Tommy Ziesmer, Danville, KY

Brown and Godfrey recently said their UK commitments are firm.

There is a pretty good chance that Woo Spencer, Ardell Banks, Trey Cornist, and Jamarion Wilcox will eventually commit to UK. But they probably don't know for sure yet, so I don't know either. Wilcox recently visited Lexington, and Banks and Cornist will visit this month.

A couple of new names are bound to enter the picture in the next several weeks. They will be flip candidates, prospects whose offers at other schools are no longer committable, and prospects who have been working on their academic eligibility. It happens every year. Ja'Keem Jackson or Will Norman could flip from FL. I am not predicting that, but both are still interest in UK. Norman will visit Lexington this month, and Jackson recently visited. Savor Karriem could flip from IL.

Devin Hyatt and Brandyn Hillman will also visit Lexington this month, and Dimetrius Bell visited recently. I don't like UK's chances to sign Hyatt or Bell, but they would not have visited if they weren't interested. I don't have an opinion yet about Hillman, who is known to like ND.

I also think Coach Stoops has become enamored with the transfer portal and will take a handful of new transfers again this year. One will very likely be Jacob Lacey, the DT from ND who grew up in Bowling Green. Obviously Stoops will be looking for a transfer QB too.

As noted by others, Khalifa Keith has decommitted from UK. I consider this a major loss, because Keith plays a position of need and impressed our coaches during a summer camp. UK commit Koby Keenum recently visited MS St and might be setting up a visit to Ole Miss. I don't know what Keenum will do, but I have a bad feeling.
As is widely known by now, Winton Woods hs DB Cameron Calhoun recently visited Lexington and subsequently decommitted from UC. Early rumors suggest the visit went very well, and Calhoun's subsequent actions probably confirm that impression. During Coach Stoops' tenure, UK's coaching staff has recruited Winton Woods hs heavily and signed a series of good SEC players from the school. Coach Marrow has been recruiting Calhoun for a long time, although there was a misunderstanding or a disagreement at one point. Now, though, things appear to have been patched up, and the timing of Calhoun's decommitment from UC superficially suggests Calhoun could be about to commit to UK. I caution that this is not a slam dunk. Calhoun appears to be considering MI too.

Calhoun would have a shot at being developed as a long, agile cover CB. If Calhoun were to commit to UK, that could trigger a mini domino effect in UK's 2023 class. Calhoun would be the 5th DB (Nasir Addison, Jaremiah Anglin, Ty Bryant, Avery Stuart) committed to UK's class, with UK's coaches still pursuing a flip by current FL commit Ja'Keem Jackson (who also visited Lexington recently). Addison has primarily been a WR at Irvington hs and has SEC caliber speed. Although Addison has been recruited as a CB prospect, it is rumored that he could still be groomed as a WR if UK's secondary is well stocked. UK already has a small handful of excellent young WRs, with Shamar Porter and Anthony Brown on the way, but can still use a couple more WRs to man whatever prostyle offense is in use at the time. One thing is clear. Whoever the OC will be, Mark Stoops has shown that he wants to throw the football.

Here are some 2023 prospects to watch, with apparent interest in UK-

Ardell Banks, WR, Massillon, OH
Cameron Calhoun, DB, Cincinnati, OH
Trey Cornist, RB, Cincinnati, OH
Karmello English, slotR, Phenix City, AL
Robert Henry, RB, Jones CC
Brandyn Hillman, ATH, Portsmouth, VA
Ja'Keem Jackson, DB, Kissimmee, FL (FL commit)
Saboor Karriem, DB, West Orange, NJ (IL commit)
William "Woo" Spencer, OL, New Albany, IN
Jamarion Wilcox, RB, Douglasville, GA

I did not include Dimetrius Bell, Kendrick Gilbert, Devin Hyatt, or Marcellius Pulliam on this list because I currently see nothing to indicate they are seriously likely to end up at UK. If those stories change, we will discuss them.

The losses to South Carolina and Vandy have not helped recruiting, but OTOH I am inclined to doubt they have wiped out UK's 2023 class or destroyed the program's appeal. Each hs player is an individual, with his own perspective. Some may feel that these losses erode the credibility of UK's staff. Others will look at the situation and perceive a better opportunity for early playing time. Most are looking at schools in a larger perspective, and UK still has a lot to sell. Stoops' situation at UK is stable because of his contract and personal sense of commitment. UK's offensive coaching staff is likely to undergo some change, but the defensive coaching staff is stable. As an academic school, UK is competitive with other SEC schools except Vandy and UF. UK's football facilities are excellent. I won't get into the NIL issue because that matter is undergoing rapid evolution. While some of our fans are very skeptical, let's be honest. No one on this board (including me) knows anything about serving on an NCAA committee, the strategic forces driving NCAA policies, running an SEC athletics department, or managing an SEC recruitment program. So all of these opinions are interesting, but they are also totally reactive. We have previously been through periods of time when this board was heavily dominated by vocal critics of Stoops, Barnhart, and UK's administration. When UK succeeds, those same critics fade quietly into the background, without any accountability for the rush to judgment. We have all seen it, but few ever learn because many remain impulse driven despite the opportunity to learn. College football programs are not built on impulse. They are built by rational leaders with budgets and very long term perspectives.

The biggest factor influencing the final stages of 2023 recruiting might be a limited number of available scholarships. In his most recent press conference, Coach Stoops discussed the transfer portal. I got the impression that he anticipated larger numbers of inbound and outbound transfers this coming offseason. We will see how the numbers work out, but it is plausible to wonder if our coaches actually have very many more open scholarships for hs seniors when so many offensive roster needs are immediate and ready-made for the transfer portal. I do not believe the sky is falling. This has been a tough season, with significant problems, but the long term direction of the football program is still up. 2016-22 in this program has certainly been stronger than what came before. Not everyone has the experience or the temperament to understand this, but many here do. Has Mark Stoops peaked? To answer that question authoritatively, you would literally have to be a time traveler. It is not a question that can be answered credibly through a lens of impulsive or reactive disappointment. That's just the honest truth. It is going to be interesting to see how the UK puzzle fits together, and hopefully we will continue to discuss it here with a rational focus on recruiting and an open mind.
 
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I read an article a while back that Addison went against the top wr in NJ and held him to one catch for just a few yds. He said he had just started playing CB the last couple years but that all his time playing wr and understanding routes had made moving to CB easier. Of course it's against HS competition but the guy he shut down was a 4 star wr committed to psu. The article made it sound like he looking really good at CB
 
The biggest factor influencing the final stages of 2023 recruiting might be a limited number of available scholarships. In his most recent press conference, Coach Stoops discussed the transfer portal. I got the impression that he anticipated larger numbers of inbound and outbound transfers this coming offseason. We will see how the numbers work out, but it is plausible to wonder if our coaches actually have very many more open scholarships for hs seniors when so many offensive roster needs are immediate and ready-made for the transfer portal. I do not believe the sky is falling. This has been a tough season, with significant problems, but the long term direction of the football program is still up. 2016-22 in this program has certainly been stronger than what came before. Not everyone has the experience or the temperament to understand this, but many here do. Has Mark Stoops peaked? To answer that question authoritatively, you would literally have to be a time traveler. It is not a question that can be answered credibly through a lens of impulsive or reactive disappointment. That's just the honest truth. It is going to be interesting to see how the UK puzzle fits together, and hopefully we will continue to discuss it here with a rational focus on recruiting and an open mind.
I think you are correct that they have to hit the portal to fill some immediate needs. It seems that the two most important are OT and qb. As you mentioned in another post on paper we have had some really good looking OL recruits the last few years. I expected several to be better than they have been. I thought by next year wolly would be starting at RT. I expected Buford and Young to be either starting or pushing for a spot by now. As of now those three barely play. Looking at the line and how bad it's been at times it looks like they would have been given more opportunities, really what could it hurt. Others have made comments that they must really suck in practice to not be rotating in at all. It was mentioned Wolford didn't develop or rotate, well neither is yenser.

My biggest concern going into the portal season is can we get a big time OT to come in and play. We won't be the only major d1 program with that need. What concerns me is our line hasn't improved at all during the year. If you have a good coach they should be making adjustments, teaching maneuvers etc, moving guys around to try and help the issues but I don't see any of it. There is noone that you can say they have improved. I just don't think he's a very good coach. So is a high level OT going to want to play here. I'm not sure they will.

If they can't show improvement on the line as they haven't so far this year, can the get a big time qb or are going to settle for less. Who ever they bring in has to be ready to play. Is that type of qb gonna want to play behind this line?I had been having hope and hearing the rumors that scang has someone that is gonna transfer in. I just don't know. Hopefully it starts getting better
 
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