State of 2020 recruiting

[Rembrandt90]

Due to all the offseason departures, it is almost a sure thing now that Stoops will sign a full class in 2020. There will be enough room on our roster.

WRs, OL, DL, and DBs seem like the top needs. But I expect another balanced class.

There are five current commitments, but that number could double in the next month. All the following players are believed to hold UK scholarship offers. If a player has already announced a verbal commitment to UK, the word “commitment” appears in parentheses next to his name. Next to each name, I am including the two letter code indicating the player’s home state. I don’t care what state they are from, and I trust our coaches to know our team’s needs and the talent of these players. I suspect most of the players in UK’s final class, but not all of them, are on this list. Disclaimers. This list does not take into account other players who will receive future UK scholarship offers, and this is not meant to be a comprehensive list of all players holding UK scholarship offers. I am not suggesting which players I personally want, because that is irrelevant. I am not necessarily ruling out uncommitted players with UK offers simply because current conventional wisdom says they aren’t coming. If it looks like UK is in their top three and they have visited UK unofficially, I am including them.

QB- Beau Allen KY (commitment). Probably done with QB recruitment because of Sawyer Smith’s transfer.

RB- We might sign two this year. Blake Corum MD, Elijah Young, TN, Michael Drennen OH, Jutahn McClain OH, Torrance Davis OH, Mayan Williams OH, Tayveon Smoot OH, Markeice Warner KY, Landen Bartleson KY, Ahmani Marshall NC, DJ Lundy GA, Frank Gore, Jr. FL, Brandon Benjamin FL, Ernest Blackshear FL.

WR- Probably sign four. Khalil Branham OH, Chris Scott OH, DeMeer Blankumsee OH, Izayah Cummings KY, Jordan Watkins KY, Jason Jones AL, Cameron Martinez MI, Ernest Sanders MI, Anthony Romphf MI, Lawaun Powell, MO, Khi Matthieu LA, Jai Mason MS, Baron Grant FL, Joseph Kirner FL, Sam Brown GA, Clarence Lewis NJ.

TE- Probably sign one. Clay Caudill OH, Luke Lachey OH.

OL- Might sign four or five. John Young KY (commitment). Chris Mayo NJ, Jonathon Denis FL, Richard Leonard FL, Khristopher Love FL, Joseph Habinowski FL, Jai’Mari Herbert FL, Kalil Benson MS, Gary Smith TN, Joshua Jones AL.

DL- Might sign four. Lamar Goods CT (commitment), Justin Rogers MI (commitment). Bryce Austin MI, Jerzhan Newton FL, Terry Marcus FL, Elijah Roberts FL, Octavious Oxendine KY, Tre’Vonn Rybka TN, Dallas Walker TN, Michael Reese TN, Brandon Taylor OH, Abraham Alabi OH, Marquis Black GA, Leviticus Madison MS.

LB- Might sign three or four. Jaheim Thomas OH, David Jones OH, Mitchell Melton MD, Samuel Anaele FL, Devon Betty FL, Claude Larkins FL, Choute Kervins FL, Nemea Hall FL, Riyad Wilmot FL, Tee Hodge TN, Devyn Curtis TN, Romello Height GA, Alvin Williams GA, D’Eryk Jackson GA, Ali Lambert GA, Billie Roberts MI.

DB- Might sign four or five. Andre Phillips, SC (commitment). Enzo Jennings MI, De’Arre McDonald TN, Vito Tisdale KY, Eric Reed LA, Kevin Bickham LA, Jahvante Royal FL, Quitman Kincaid FL, Majon Wright FL, Trevor Reaves FL, Douglas Emilion FL, Donovan Thomas FL, RJ Moten NJ, JaCobee Bryant AL, Cortez Eaton AL, Trenton Yowe AL, Antwon Fegans AL, Josh Minkins KY, Rickey Hyatt OH, Miquan Grace OH, Durante Jones GA.

 

[mrschwump]

Due to all the offseason departures, it is almost a sure thing now that Stoops will sign a full class in 2020. There will be enough room on our roster.

WRs, OL, DL, and DBs seem like the top needs. But I expect another balanced class.

There are five current commitments, but that number could double in the next month. All the following players are believed to hold UK scholarship offers. If a player has already announced a verbal commitment to UK, the word “commitment” appears in parentheses next to his name. Next to each name, I am including the two letter code indicating the player’s home state. I don’t care what state they are from, and I trust our coaches to know our team’s needs and the talent of these players. I suspect most of the players in UK’s final class, but not all of them, are on this list. Disclaimers. This list does not take into account other players who will receive future UK scholarship offers, and this is not meant to be a comprehensive list of all players holding UK scholarship offers. I am not suggesting which players I personally want, because that is irrelevant. I am not necessarily ruling out uncommitted players with UK offers simply because current conventional wisdom says they aren’t coming. If it looks like UK is in their top three and they have visited UK unofficially, I am including them.

QB- Beau Allen KY (commitment). Probably done with QB recruitment because of Sawyer Smith’s transfer.

RB- We might sign two this year. Blake Corum MD, Elijah Young, TN, Michael Drennen OH, Jutahn McClain OH, Torrance Davis OH, Mayan Williams OH, Tayveon Smoot OH, Markeice Warner KY, Landen Bartleson KY, Ahmani Marshall NC, DJ Lundy GA, Frank Gore, Jr. FL, Brandon Benjamin FL, Ernest Blackshear FL.

WR- Probably sign four. Khalil Branham OH, Chris Scott OH, DeMeer Blankumsee OH, Izayah Cummings KY, Jordan Watkins KY, Jason Jones AL, Cameron Martinez MI, Ernest Sanders MI, Anthony Romphf MI, Lawaun Powell, MO, Khi Matthieu LA, Jai Mason MS, Baron Grant FL, Joseph Kirner FL, Sam Brown GA, Clarence Lewis NJ.

TE- Probably sign one. Clay Caudill OH, Luke Lachey OH.

OL- Might sign four or five. John Young KY (commitment). Chris Mayo NJ, Jonathon Denis FL, Richard Leonard FL, Khristopher Love FL, Joseph Habinowski FL, Jai’Mari Herbert FL, Kalil Benson MS, Gary Smith TN, Joshua Jones AL.

DL- Might sign four. Lamar Goods CT (commitment), Justin Rogers MI (commitment). Bryce Austin MI, Jerzhan Newton FL, Terry Marcus FL, Elijah Roberts FL, Octavious Oxendine KY, Tre’Vonn Rybka TN, Dallas Walker TN, Michael Reese TN, Brandon Taylor OH, Abraham Alabi OH, Marquis Black GA, Leviticus Madison MS.

LB- Might sign three or four. Jaheim Thomas OH, David Jones OH, Mitchell Melton MD, Samuel Anaele FL, Devon Betty FL, Claude Larkins FL, Choute Kervins FL, Nemea Hall FL, Riyad Wilmot FL, Tee Hodge TN, Devyn Curtis TN, Romello Height GA, Alvin Williams GA, D’Eryk Jackson GA, Ali Lambert GA, Billie Roberts MI.

DB- Might sign four or five. Andre Phillips, SC (commitment). Enzo Jennings MI, De’Arre McDonald TN, Vito Tisdale KY, Eric Reed LA, Kevin Bickham LA, Jahvante Royal FL, Quitman Kincaid FL, Majon Wright FL, Trevor Reaves FL, Douglas Emilion FL, Donovan Thomas FL, RJ Moten NJ, JaCobee Bryant AL, Cortez Eaton AL, Trenton Yowe AL, Antwon Fegans AL, Josh Minkins KY, Rickey Hyatt OH, Miquan Grace OH, Durante Jones GA.

Re DBs, UK has offered several JUCOs who aren't listed here. Couple are very highly rated and have gaudy offer sheets. Point is it's pretty early in the recruiting cycle for UK to offer JUCOs so they must like their chances. Will be fun watching this all unfold.

 

[The-Hack]

Thanks, again, for your work, Rembrandt90!!

 

[Deeeefense]

Not sure we have space for the full 25. The two transfers also are counters

 

[Spica Orbit]

https://usatodayhss.com/2019/michig...g&utm_medium=wasabi&utm_content=recirc-latest

Spica Orbit

 

[allenctynimrod]

Deondre Buford probably needs to be on the OL list.

 

[allenctynimrod]

Made Westley Neal’s Top 8 today as well

 

[Rock_Cat78]

Made Westley Neal’s Top 8 today as well

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You know things are going well when you are a top school of a four star kid that you aren't even recruiting.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Re DBs, UK has offered several JUCOs who aren't listed here. Couple are very highly rated and have gaudy offer sheets. Point is it's pretty early in the recruiting cycle for UK to offer JUCOs so they must like their chances. Will be fun watching this all unfold.

My post stipulated it was not intended as a comprehensive list of all players with UK scholarship offers. Stoops may sign a juco or two this year, but I’m not sure they are on our radar yet. UK doesn’t appear to lead at this point for any of the juco DBs with known UK offers.

Deondre Buford probably needs to be on the OL list.

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I agree. At this point in time, it looks like Deondre Buford likes UK a lot. Fun fact, Buford is visiting Purdue this weekend.

 

[billoliver40]

Due to all the offseason departures, it is almost a sure thing now that Stoops will sign a full class in 2020. There will be enough room on our roster.

WRs, OL, DL, and DBs seem like the top needs. But I expect another balanced class.

There are five current commitments, but that number could double in the next month. All the following players are believed to hold UK scholarship offers. If a player has already announced a verbal commitment to UK, the word “commitment” appears in parentheses next to his name. Next to each name, I am including the two letter code indicating the player’s home state. I don’t care what state they are from, and I trust our coaches to know our team’s needs and the talent of these players. I suspect most of the players in UK’s final class, but not all of them, are on this list. Disclaimers. This list does not take into account other players who will receive future UK scholarship offers, and this is not meant to be a comprehensive list of all players holding UK scholarship offers. I am not suggesting which players I personally want, because that is irrelevant. I am not necessarily ruling out uncommitted players with UK offers simply because current conventional wisdom says they aren’t coming. If it looks like UK is in their top three and they have visited UK unofficially, I am including them.

QB- Beau Allen KY (commitment). Probably done with QB recruitment because of Sawyer Smith’s transfer.

RB- We might sign two this year. Blake Corum MD, Elijah Young, TN, Michael Drennen OH, Jutahn McClain OH, Torrance Davis OH, Mayan Williams OH, Tayveon Smoot OH, Markeice Warner KY, Landen Bartleson KY, Ahmani Marshall NC, DJ Lundy GA, Frank Gore, Jr. FL, Brandon Benjamin FL, Ernest Blackshear FL.

WR- Probably sign four. Khalil Branham OH, Chris Scott OH, DeMeer Blankumsee OH, Izayah Cummings KY, Jordan Watkins KY, Jason Jones AL, Cameron Martinez MI, Ernest Sanders MI, Anthony Romphf MI, Lawaun Powell, MO, Khi Matthieu LA, Jai Mason MS, Baron Grant FL, Joseph Kirner FL, Sam Brown GA, Clarence Lewis NJ.

TE- Probably sign one. Clay Caudill OH, Luke Lachey OH.

OL- Might sign four or five. John Young KY (commitment). Chris Mayo NJ, Jonathon Denis FL, Richard Leonard FL, Khristopher Love FL, Joseph Habinowski FL, Jai’Mari Herbert FL, Kalil Benson MS, Gary Smith TN, Joshua Jones AL.

DL- Might sign four. Lamar Goods CT (commitment), Justin Rogers MI (commitment). Bryce Austin MI, Jerzhan Newton FL, Terry Marcus FL, Elijah Roberts FL, Octavious Oxendine KY, Tre’Vonn Rybka TN, Dallas Walker TN, Michael Reese TN, Brandon Taylor OH, Abraham Alabi OH, Marquis Black GA, Leviticus Madison MS.

LB- Might sign three or four. Jaheim Thomas OH, David Jones OH, Mitchell Melton MD, Samuel Anaele FL, Devon Betty FL, Claude Larkins FL, Choute Kervins FL, Nemea Hall FL, Riyad Wilmot FL, Tee Hodge TN, Devyn Curtis TN, Romello Height GA, Alvin Williams GA, D’Eryk Jackson GA, Ali Lambert GA, Billie Roberts MI.

DB- Might sign four or five. Andre Phillips, SC (commitment). Enzo Jennings MI, De’Arre McDonald TN, Vito Tisdale KY, Eric Reed LA, Kevin Bickham LA, Jahvante Royal FL, Quitman Kincaid FL, Majon Wright FL, Trevor Reaves FL, Douglas Emilion FL, Donovan Thomas FL, RJ Moten NJ, JaCobee Bryant AL, Cortez Eaton AL, Trenton Yowe AL, Antwon Fegans AL, Josh Minkins KY, Rickey Hyatt OH, Miquan Grace OH, Durante Jones GA.

Man, what great work. Thanks...this is mighty good.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Man, what great work. Thanks...this is mighty good.

That remains to be seen. But thanks for the nice response.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Not sure we have space for the full 25. The two transfers also are counters

Counting the two incoming transfers, we currently have 78 players on scholarship, 8 of whom are seniors. In addition, it is widely believed at the moment that Grant McKinniss might not take advantage of his 2017 redshirt so this might be his final year of football. If that is the case, departures of nine undergrads during in the next year would allow Stoops to sign 25 players in our next class.

In the last year, I count 12 undergrads who left the program, and I may have missed someone. I think we sign a full class.

 

[Deeeefense]

Counting the two incoming transfers, we currently have 78 players on scholarship, 8 of whom are seniors. In addition, it is widely believed at the moment that Grant McKinniss might not take advantage of his 2017 redshirt so this might be his final year of football. If that is the case, departures of nine undergrads during in the next year would allow Stoops to sign 25 players in our next class.

In the last year, I count 12 undergrads who left the program, and I may have missed someone. I think we sign a full class.

Good breakdown, so 9 is the target number. Not that I'm pulling for anyone to leave but that's the number to keep an eye on. My hunch is quarterback and corner will be the two positions that are most likely to see some attrition.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Good breakdown, so 9 is the target number. Not that I'm pulling for anyone to leave but that's the number to keep an eye on. My hunch is quarterback and corner will be the two positions that are most likely to see some attrition.

That's the thing. We don't want anyone to leave. But players leave every year.

Naturally, during the early years of Stoops' roster building project, players left because they had been signed as developmental projects, or because they were recruited over. But at this stage of program development, departures are occurring because level of competition may be higher than some players expected, or even because someone like Benny leaves for the NFL draft.

I looked at UK's full roster yesterday. I counted 5 undergrads who would not shock me if they had to give up football for health or medical reasons, although I hope that doesn't happen. I saw 2 names that seem like possible candidates to give up football for other reasons. It would not surprise me if Bohanna leaves early for the NFL draft. I don't expect Bowden to leave early, but that isn't totally impossible.

But what we can't anticipate is outbound transfers. A year ago, nobody would have predicted Gunnar Hoak would transfer to Ohio State. At the time, it looked like Tavin Richardson was a key receiver. We can't predict which players will succumb to the competition and decide to continue their football careers elsewhere. But some will.

So we can't foresee all the details, but I think Stoops will sign a full class.

 

[D-Wah]

With 7 Commits, we should not be ranked 21 on rivals, wow, with 7, that is pretty strong so far this year!

 

[Nelson4211]

That's the thing. We don't want anyone to leave. But players leave every year.

Naturally, during the early years of Stoops' roster building project, players left because they had been signed as developmental projects, or because they were recruited over. But at this stage of program development, departures are occurring because level of competition may be higher than some players expected, or even because someone like Benny leaves for the NFL draft.

I looked at UK's full roster yesterday. I counted 5 undergrads who would not shock me if they had to give up football for health or medical reasons, although I hope that doesn't happen. I saw 2 names that seem like possible candidates to give up football for other reasons. It would not surprise me if Bohanna leaves early for the NFL draft. I don't expect Bowden to leave early, but that isn't totally impossible.

But what we can't anticipate is outbound transfers. A year ago, nobody would have predicted Gunnar Hoak would transfer to Ohio State. At the time, it looked like Tavin Richardson was a key receiver. We can't predict which players will succumb to the competition and decide to continue their football careers elsewhere. But some will.

So we can't foresee all the details, but I think Stoops will sign a full class.

Really you couldn't predict that Hoak would transfer? Anyone who reads or keeps up with UK football could have told you he would transfer. I am a huge fan and knew he would transfer if he wasn't given a 1st string chance at starting. Yes he got to play in a couple of games but he wasn't given the time to warm up and given the leash to make mistakes. Look at Wilson's first few games and his production, Hoak wouldn't have seen the field again if he would have made the mistakes that Wilson made. The fumbles, lack of passing yards, timid running( watched him turn his back to the line of scrimmage in the Texas A&M game, looked scared to death). To clarify, I do believe he is probably the better option but I think it is fair to say that Hoak wasn't given the chance that Wilson was given.

Now, for a disclaimer, I am not a coach and I'm not on the field during practices.... I haven't even been to a practice. With that said I will say that I trust Coach Stoops to make the best decision for the team. I think Wilson's upside is why he got the job. He was already on Hoak's level but had the opportunity to build on it. I'd take some risk with a player knowing their ceiling is higher and they are going to be a three year product. I think the coaches have proven their ability to evaluate talent.

 

[Catluv]

Really you couldn't predict that Hoak would transfer? Anyone who reads or keeps up with UK football could have told you he would transfer. I am a huge fan and knew he would transfer if he wasn't given a 1st string chance at starting. Yes he got to play in a couple of games but he wasn't given the time to warm up and given the leash to make mistakes. Look at Wilson's first few games and his production, Hoak wouldn't have seen the field again if he would have made the mistakes that Wilson made. The fumbles, lack of passing yards, timid running( watched him turn his back to the line of scrimmage in the Texas A&M game, looked scared to death). To clarify, I do believe he is probably the better option but I think it is fair to say that Hoak wasn't given the chance that Wilson was given.

Now, for a disclaimer, I am not a coach and I'm not on the field during practices.... I haven't even been to a practice. With that said I will say that I trust Coach Stoops to make the best decision for the team. I think Wilson's upside is why he got the job. He was already on Hoak's level but had the opportunity to build on it. I'd take some risk with a player knowing their ceiling is higher and they are going to be a three year product. I think the coaches have proven their ability to evaluate talent.

The second game of the year Wilson lead UK to a win over Florida for the first time in 32 years. You think Hoak would have done this? Terry had a very sore knee against A&M. Hoak had a chance to lead the team just didn't show much. The way you talk he should start for OSU.

 

[Nelson4211]

The second game of the year Wilson lead UK to a win over Florida for the first time in 32 years. You think Hoak would have done this? Terry had a very sore knee against A&M. Hoak had a chance to lead the team just didn't show much. The way you talk he should start for OSU.

Did you not read all of my post? In that very game Wilson had turnovers that could have cost the game. I’m simply saying the leash was short with Hoak. That is a true statement. What the other part of my statement was saying was that I think the coaches saw who had the most upside and that’s why Wilson’s leash was longer. If you can’t see that then you aren’t being honest with the situation.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Really you couldn't predict that Hoak would transfer? Anyone who reads or keeps up with UK football could have told you he would transfer.

You are misrepresenting my comment. A year ago, can you honestly say that you foresaw Gunnar Hoak transferring to OH St? I was one of the first on this board (in November) to predict Hoak would leave in May as a grad transfer. I never said he wouldn't transfer somewhere.

I think it is fair to say that Hoak wasn't given the chance that Wilson was given.

This issue is as dead as fried chicken now. But personnel decisions are made in practice, and UK's football practices are closed. How do you know TW didn't beat Hoak out fair and square? UK just went 10-3 and beat PA St in the Citrus Bowl. So our coaches know what they are doing, and this seems like a strange time to second-guess them.

Now, for a disclaimer, I am not a coach and I'm not on the field during practices.... I haven't even been to a practice. I think Wilson's upside is why he got the job. I'd take some risk with a player knowing their ceiling is higher.

I think you answered your own questions here.

Our coaches knew Benny, Conrad, Asafo Adjei, and Bunchy would be gone after 2018. Picking a high upside QB to start in 2018 was the predicate to opening up the playbook a little more in 2019. I was in the stands in Gainesville last September when TW played one of his best games and beat FL. TW took his lumps and learned. I have said before that I expect TW to be at least a middle of the pack SEC QB in 2019. Given the alternatives, picking TW as our starter was the smart move.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Current UK commitments-

Beau Allen, QB
Jutahn McClain, RB
Torrance Davis, RB
John Young, OL
Justin Rogers, DL
Lamar Goods, DL
Andru Phillips, DB

I explained earlier why I believe Stoops will sign 25 in this class. Basically, nine undergrads will have to leave in the next year for Stoops to sign 25, and that takes the two incoming transfers into account. In the last year, 12 undergrads left the program.

With Davis and Jutahn committing, that will shut down RB recruitment for this class unless Coach Marrow believes one of them (namely, Davis) might be waiting on OH St.

I believe Allen will be the only QB in our class.

They will take a TE, but they can wait on the one they want.

Last year, Stoops signed a flock of new LBs. Then he took Xavier Peters as a transfer. Stoops will sign more LBs in this class, but there is no pressure now and he can wait on the ones he really wants.

That leaves both lines, receivers, and the secondary. I believe this class of linemen will be the strong foundation of our football program for years to come.

 

[The-Hack]

I believe this class of linemen will be the strong foundation of our football program for years to come.

Keep up the good work. You are an artist of recruiting.

 

[Nelson4211]

You are misrepresenting my comment. A year ago, can you honestly say that you foresaw Gunnar Hoak transferring to OH St? I was one of the first on this board (in November) to predict Hoak would leave in May as a grad transfer. I never said he wouldn't transfer somewhere.



This issue is as dead as fried chicken now. But personnel decisions are made in practice, and UK's football practices are closed. How do you know TW didn't beat Hoak out fair and square? UK just went 10-3 and beat PA St in the Citrus Bowl. So our coaches know what they are doing, and this seems like a strange time to second-guess them.



I think you answered your own questions here.

Our coaches knew Benny, Conrad, Asafo Adjei, and Bunchy would be gone after 2018. Picking a high upside QB to start in 2018 was the predicate to opening up the playbook a little more in 2019. I was in the stands in Gainesville last September when TW played one of his best games and beat FL. TW took his lumps and learned. I have said before that I expect TW to be at least a middle of the pack SEC QB in 2019. Given the alternatives, picking TW as our starter was the smart move.

I really think you have a problem with comprehension. Anyone that watched football knew Hoak wasn’t given the same chance as Wilson. Me personally, I knew he would transfer if he wasn’t given a quality shot. The thing about getting a quality shot is that I believe the coaches knew he had reached his max potential and Wilson hadn’t. In that situation you go with upside.

I wasn’t questioning myself or my evaluation. The truth is Hoak was decent and protected the ball but he was never going to be great. Coach Stoops and team have proven their evaluations of players.

So period, Hoak was going to transfer after spring practice if he wasn’t going to be given a soldi chance. So what

 

[vhcat70]

I really think you have a problem with comprehension. Anyone that watched football knew Hoak wasn’t given the same chance as Wilson. Me personally, I knew he would transfer if he wasn’t given a quality shot. The thing about getting a quality shot is that I believe the coaches knew he had reached his max potential and Wilson hadn’t. In that situation you go with upside.

I wasn’t questioning myself or my evaluation. The truth is Hoak was decent and protected the ball but he was never going to be great. Coach Stoops and team have proven their evaluations of players.

So period, Hoak was going to transfer after spring practice if he wasn’t going to be given a soldi chance. So what

Hoak had a solid chance for three years before this Spring. Ridiculous comment.

 

[Nelson4211]

Hoak had a solid chance for three years before this Spring. Ridiculous comment.

He was not given the same game time leash as Wilson. Period. Any other quarterback who had the fumbles Wilson had would have been yanked. Period. Wilson got his leash because of his upside. The problem we have today is people don’t believe they can defend one without the other. The truth is Wilson sucked a few times but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best option. I trust the Coaches decision. I mean come on man he had a 3-9 game with 15yard. I could have done better than that.

 

[SPECT imaging]

How do you know Hoak was not given the same chance as Wilson? Most fans believe otherwise. Do you have a connection to the player or his family? If you do, then you would have to admit you are biased on this question. And if you don't, then you may just be a member of the anti-Wilson crowd. Why beat a dead horse? What does it matter now?

 

[Nelson4211]

How do you know Hoak was not given the same chance as Wilson? Most fans believe otherwise. Do you have a connection to the player or his family? If you do, then you would have to admit you are biased on this question. And if you don't, then you may just be a member of the anti-Wilson crowd. Why beat a dead horse? What does it matter now?

I am not anti-Wilson. I hope be turns it on and crushes it. This is where I can be open minded about the situation. After reading all of my comments you still can’t read that I said Wilson was the better option. He struggled. He fumble the ball threw interceptions and had 15 yards in a game.

As far as my belief that Hoak wasn’t given a chance, did you watch the games. Did you watch him come in the game against Central Michigan last year and throw two touchdown passes? Wilson was struggling and you have Hoak come in and jump start the offense but they take him out? A fair chance would have been to leave him in and let him go finish the game out. But the coaches saw the upside in Wilson. I’m putting my faith in Stoops that he will bring that upside out of Wilson this year and for sure 2020 when we compete for an SEC championship.

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people in today’s society to be objective.

 

[Rembrandt90]

I really think you have a problem with comprehension. Anyone that watched football knew Hoak wasn’t given the same chance as Wilson. Me personally, I knew he would transfer if he wasn’t given a quality shot. The thing about getting a quality shot is that I believe the coaches knew he had reached his max potential and Wilson hadn’t. In that situation you go with upside.

I wasn’t questioning myself or my evaluation. The truth is Hoak was decent and protected the ball but he was never going to be great. Coach Stoops and team have proven their evaluations of players.

So period, Hoak was going to transfer after spring practice if he wasn’t going to be given a soldi chance. So what

You are the one with the comprehension problem. I have explained a couple of times already that I thought Hoak might transfer when he completed his degree in May, although I did not foresee him transferring to Ohio State per se. If you are convinced he didn’t get a fair chance, we disagree. But life is not always fair, and this is a dead issue.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Getting back to the subject of the thread. When I listed D’Eryk Jackson in the OP of this thread on May 26, I did not know that Jackson was about to attend a camp here in Lexington. But I had seen his name mentioned in a couple of reports that suggested he had a high interest in UK.

Jackson has offers from Purdue and three SEC programs. This is another case where the player is probably a better athletic prospect at the college level than his current internet rating suggests, and I suspect his offer sheet will grow through the summer. At his size, and considering his strength, I am guessing Stoops views Jackson as a Mike LB in UK’s 3-4. We already have a lot of quality depth at the outside LB positions, especially with Casey here and Peters inbound. If Stoops takes outside LBs in this class, they will be elite athletes. But Kash Daniel will graduate next May, so we need Mike LBs. Jackson fills that need.

We now have eight commitments. I believe Stoops will take 25 in the class. A couple months ago, I thought this would end up being a smaller class. But the program is in a phase of development where each class is stronger than the previous class. Some players have been recruited-over, and some simply become less comfortable as the competition in practice gets ratcheted-up. UK lost 12 undergrad football players in the last year. This time around, we have a handful of players with medical problems that could interfere with their football careers, plus a couple of redshirt juniors that haven’t played very much yet. With a strong 2019 class incoming, this sets up as another year when some players will decide to transfer out or give up football. If nine more undergrads leave in the next year, Stoops can sign a full class. That is my expectation.

 

[Rembrandt90]

Jordan Watkins visiting UK next week. Could become UK’s next commitment.

 

[K_TIME]

I am not anti-Wilson. I hope be turns it on and crushes it. This is where I can be open minded about the situation. After reading all of my comments you still can’t read that I said Wilson was the better option. He struggled. He fumble the ball threw interceptions and had 15 yards in a game.

As far as my belief that Hoak wasn’t given a chance, did you watch the games. Did you watch him come in the game against Central Michigan last year and throw two touchdown passes? Wilson was struggling and you have Hoak come in and jump start the offense but they take him out? A fair chance would have been to leave him in and let him go finish the game out. But the coaches saw the upside in Wilson. I’m putting my faith in Stoops that he will bring that upside out of Wilson this year and for sure 2020 when we compete for an SEC championship.
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- Did you also see Hoak go 3 and out three drives in a row....and had a pick six dropped by CMU in the flats?
- Did you also happen to see the Mizzou game that Hoak played in? That was pretty brutal.
- Did the coaches hold a grudge on Hoak when he couldn't beat out an ineffective Drew Barker as 2nd string last year?
- Did Hoak stand out at all last spring when the job was open competition?

It just gets old with the bias on coaching staff argument.

 

[Nelson4211]

- Did you also see Hoak go 3 and out three drives in a row....and had a pick six dropped by CMU in the flats?
- Did you also happen to see the Mizzou game that Hoak played in? That was pretty brutal.
- Did the coaches hold a grudge on Hoak when he couldn't beat out an ineffective Drew Barker as 2nd string last year?
- Did Hoak stand out at all last spring when the job was open competition?

It just gets old with the bias on coaching staff argument.

With the game time stats you pointed out? They do nothing but prove my point. I mean come on man Wilson had 15 yards in an entire game.

As far as coaching goes, did you not read my comments. I said the coaches must have saw something in Wilson outside of the games that Hoak didn’t have. His upside.

 

[deuces r wild]

I think we are beginning to see what the problem was with Terry's effectiveness during the middle of the season. He was playing with a bum knee, after Bunchy rolled him up vs. MSU. I was down in College Station and was surprised how passive he looked. Wow I guess the coaches really did not have much faith in Hoak.

 

[K_TIME]

With the game time stats you pointed out? They do nothing but prove my point. I mean come on man Wilson had 15 yards in an entire game.

As far as coaching goes, did you not read my comments. I said the coaches must have saw something in Wilson outside of the games that Hoak didn’t have. His upside.

Gunnar also had 3 years of practice reps to see this out and show it as well...and obviously he didn't beat out Stephen Johnson, Drew Barker nor Terry Wilson.

We go thru these conspiracy theories all the time and almost every time it is not real. Patrick Towles was so much worse than Drew Barker (and then Drew played some games and did nothing eye opening). Now Gunnar Hoak is the same to Terry Wilson.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Goods took a visit to UF. Seems he plans to take more.

 

[Rembrandt90]

I think we are beginning to see what the problem was with Terry's effectiveness during the middle of the season. He was playing with a bum knee, after Bunchy rolled him up vs. MSU. I was down in College Station and was surprised how passive he looked. Wow I guess the coaches really did not have much faith in Hoak.

I think the knee injury was a factor. The quality of SEC pass rushers was another. But despite the knee, TW made a lot of progress from October to the UL game. He made more progress this spring. Soon enough, we will see if he has the leadership skills and command of the passing game to get the job done. I think UK is a better football team in 2019 than a lot of other people evidently think.

But circling back to the subject of the thread - UK’s 2020 recruiting class - it looks like Jordan Watkins could become our next commitment. He will visit campus this weekend.

 

[greginky1957]

it looks like Jordan Watkins could become our next commitment

What position are we recruiting him to play?

 

[JC CATS]

I am not anti-Wilson. I hope be turns it on and crushes it. This is where I can be open minded about the situation. After reading all of my comments you still can’t read that I said Wilson was the better option. He struggled. He fumble the ball threw interceptions and had 15 yards in a game.

As far as my belief that Hoak wasn’t given a chance, did you watch the games. Did you watch him come in the game against Central Michigan last year and throw two touchdown passes? Wilson was struggling and you have Hoak come in and jump start the offense but they take him out? A fair chance would have been to leave him in and let him go finish the game out. But the coaches saw the upside in Wilson. I’m putting my faith in Stoops that he will bring that upside out of Wilson this year and for sure 2020 when we compete for an SEC championship.

I don’t know why it’s so hard for people in today’s society to be objective.

What you have to understand is last season was TTW 1st. Go back and look at the progression of Andre Woodson, Tim Couch etc

 

[Nelson4211]

Gunnar also had 3 years of practice reps to see this out and show it as well...and obviously he didn't beat out Stephen Johnson, Drew Barker nor Terry Wilson.

We go thru these conspiracy theories all the time and almost every time it is not real. Patrick Towles was so much worse than Drew Barker (and then Drew played some games and did nothing eye opening). Now Gunnar Hoak is the same to Terry Wilson.

I swear it must be impossible for people to understand or comprehend.

If you can’t honestly say Hoak’s in game leash wasnt shorter then you weren’t watching the same games. Now if you read the rest of my comments I plainly said the coaches saw something in Wilson that we didn’t and saw that the upside with Hoak just wasn’t there.

There can be honesty without conspiracy. Taking an unbiased look and calling it as you see it. The truth is Wilson struggled and we won despite his errors. I believe he can get better. I also believe being ranked last in the SEC isn’t a correct ranking. But he does have some proving to do.

 

[MediCat]

You two are arguing the same point with different words. Move on.

 

[Nelson4211]

You two are arguing the same point with different words. Move on.

I’m not arguing anything. It just amazes me that people can’t be honest in their assessment and comprehend what someone is saying. I don’t know why people take such offense to the fact that Wilson didn’t play very well last year. We didn’t win because of him we won despite him. He showed flashes of his capability. The end of the Missouri game, most of the Florida game, Louisville. I mean read his tweet he posted a few days ago. He knows he has something to prove. For what it’s worth I have UK playing in the SEC championship with Wilson under center in 2020.