If Edwards can shoot 35% from the arc, I'm fine with him doing what he did tonight. Increase that spacing. Let Rob and DJ cook.
So Where Are the Wagner Bashers....
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I'm done with this. You're dead set he's selfish
No sense trying to have a conversation with you.
We had ppl on here saying they would rather have BJ Boston back over Wagner…😳
I am dead set that he was playing selfishly. If tonight is the way he plays the rest of the season, I will have nothing but good things to post about him. His game tonight is what you expect of your point guard. As I previously mentioned, the fact that he mentioned playing team ball was more fun during his postgame interview is a clear indication that coaches talked to him about it.
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Lol there was someone calling him Devin Askew 2.0 after only 3 games.
And yet some on here are acting like he never got bashed
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It's comical how people try to change history so much when they are wrong.
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Today was the perfect example for how he needs to play. Drive, pull up mid-range, Embrace the context.
I heard a rumor that not one single player is making less than $200k.
Y’all are weird. Most ppl were saying he was struggling and the bench was better but we needed him to live up to his billing to be the best version of ourselves. This was his first good game. Last game he had some numbers but inefficiently. This is a great performance but he still probably shouldn’t be the focal point of the offense unless it’s driving and finishing at the rim or a wide open 3
It's also comical how people inflate crap, or straight make their own definitions for the word "bash". Wether you care to admit it or not, Wagner played like crap the first three games. Period. He would probably even tell you the same. This may shock you, bit fans weren't impressed with the so called lottery pick. I'm not sure why that's so confusing for you. Or why fans wanted two red hot guys to get more minutes. Dude, fans were upset, but mostly towards Cal. No need to make this into something by stirring the pot and making crap up.
Point being, it's taken several of our dudes a few games over the years to get rolling. Wagner, no different. And there were indeed some posts going a bit overboard beyond normal criticism. We do this every, single, year.
If you want to just focus on total points and exclude his 7 of 17 shooting of which several of the missed shots were layups, it was player of the year worthy. However, if you want to be honest, he played a good second half minus his decision to take that wild drive to the basket at the end of regulation when Reeves was open for a much better shot.
The 1st game, he had 13 points, 4 assists, 1 turnover. Shot 6/13.
The 2nd game he had 11 points, 3 assists, 1 turnover. Shot 5/13.
That's 12 points, 3.5 assists, 1 turnover on 42% shooting for his 1st 2 games in college. I don't think that's "played like crap."
The Kasnas game was absolutely a bad game. But I'm not going to decide a kid is awful 3-4 games into a season.
I think Cal is guilty of giving some kids way too long. But 3-4 games aint it.
OP is perhaps the biggest shit stirrer on this site. On a night that we play like this, he's on here being divisive. We should be pleased with how the guys played, but no, he's on here inventing stories.
But aren't you deciding he's awesome just 5 games into the season as well?
You're just as bad as the so-called "bashers."
Let's wait for the Miami game to pronounce whatever level he is.
I don't think I wrote "DJ is awesome." Please stop putting words in my mouth.
You guys were out here saying the kid was a bust, he was overrated, he needs to be benched to give the good players minutes.
He's playing good. He's certainly not as bad as people made him out to be. I don't know if he's to a point I'd say he's "awesome" or a superstar. But kids that score 22 and 28 points don't need to benched.
You're right. Let's see how Miami goes. I'm sure a lot of people are going to have SOME criticism regardless of how well he does. But if he comes out and jacks up several bad 3's, I'll join you in saying he played poorly.
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Bingo.
We didn't decide DJ was a great prospect based off 3 or 4 games. We're going to decide he's a bust after 3-4 games?
You really don't have any convictions if you change your mind on a recruit 3 or 4 games into the season.
I'd say the guy who scored 22 last game and 28 this game gave us a pretty good chance to win. Do you think he didn't give us a good chance to win?
Tonight, DJ had 28 points and got 26 minutes. Reed (who seems to be the guy everyone wants DJ minutes to go to) also got 26 minutes.
So on a night he goes for 28, Cal STILL gave Wagner the same minutes as DJ. The narrative is out of control.
Like I said. Some of our fans feel they have to create heroes and villains on the team. To him, DJ is the villain in this situation. It’s weird
I’ll be the first to admit, I thought Wagner was hunting for his niche with this team early. That resulted in some selfish plays. I thought he played way too many minutes against Kansas but that’s on Cal, not him. He seems to have figured it out and is doing more driving than jump shooting. He’s also getting it done in the flow of the offense. In the first couple games, there were times the ball never touched anyone else hands before he forced something. I’m glad he’s figured it out and hope he continues to play this way all year.
Too many people turned this into a Rob vs DJ or Reed vs DJ deal. I would think we’d all want whoever is hot playing the most minutes that night. Saying someone is playing below their rankings at a time isn’t bashing, it’s being observant. I hope every night is like tonight for him.
Too many people turned this into a Rob vs DJ or Reed vs DJ deal. I would think we’d all want whoever is hot playing the most minutes that night. Saying someone is playing below their rankings at a time isn’t bashing, it’s being observant. I hope every night is like tonight for him.
Not saying you are wrong, but I personally never saw one post stating he was a bust.
A squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.
He could play great the rest of the season and the same miserable people will be on here talking about that one time against Kansas
.. grow the f up is what half this fan base needs
Well,
Squirrels frequently find nuts. That's how they survive. Blind squirrels...
In all seriousness. I've slammed Cal for a lot of things. I wanted Cal fired in the off-season.
I don't think this is a blind squirrel finding a nut. The dude has done a 180. We've recruited shooters. We've adapted the offense. We're shooting 3's at a record pace under Cal.
He was guilty of giving some guys way too long. But it wasn't at the 4 game mark. I think most reasonable coaches give BJ Boston several games. I think Cal let it run too long.
Taking Cal out of it: I think Mark Few, Tommy Lloyd, Bill Self, Tom Izzo all give DJ more than 4 games before sending him to the bench. I don't say this in defense of Cal. I think it was the right coaching decision.
And most of us sensible, true fans said, "calm down, it sometimes takes a couple games to get into the swing of it, he'll be fine, he needs to play through it, it'll click for him, yada yada yada" and you all called us Cal homers and said that Wagner sucks, Cal should bench him, he should never shoot again, etc.
Just eat your crow and be done with it.
You brought receipts…nicely done!
Why not bring some more receipts?
This was from about 5-7 minutes worth of looking. Yet some on here want to pretend like it didn't happen.
WILD.
The biggest issue people had was with him starting over reed. A ton of people here wanted to see that change. I’m glad that didn’t happen.
But yeah there were still some “DJ is awful” posts none the less
I was very worried about him early on and wondered if he could be unselfish enough to gel with this group, but he impressed me tonight. I just hope he doesn't feel the need to take every important shot and can continue to finish and look for his teamates.
So I'll take my crow with left over gravy and stuffing.😁
So I'll take my crow with left over gravy and stuffing.😁
Good stuff. Funny you didn’t find any from me since you lumped me in that group with zero evidence. You clearly misunderstood my “heroes and villains” comment. You also said you checked my post history but you clearly did not. I was taking a beating trying to explain why DJ should NOT be benched.
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Hey pal. We just played Marshall. Maybe quote all those times I said to watch what he does against real competition.
I believe we play a team with a pulse next. Let’s see what he does in that one, deal?
A voice of reason.
No one thinks Wagner (and Reeves for that matter) can’t be world beaters against Marshall, Stonehill, etc. Just waiting to see if they crap their pants again when playing legit competition.
It wasn’t an efficient game to include an OT. He still took a fair amount of bad shots trying to search for his. This was is first complete game.
If you don’t agree then go ahead and say you only look at the box score and don’t understand the complexity of basketball.
Didn’t say anything thing bad about him; just the facts. I hope he repeats tonight for the rest of the season. But the StJoes game was his “force it to find it” game. He found it this game. Let’s hope it continues forward
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