So you're saying you'd rather beat UT early in the season and lose when it counts in March? I don't understand that logic.
So tired of sitting through 3-4 months of garbage basketball
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We use to be a VIP and had a reserved table at a fancy restaurant. The waiter would bring us a fine wine and ask if we wanted the usual. Now we just get to be first in line at the Golden Corral all you can eat buffet.
Coach Cal is heading for his 4th straight year of no Final Fours. With 3 of the 4 very poor results (unless they turn this season around). He also is on the verge of losing 9 or more games in 5 of the last 7 seasons. That is the kind of stuff that got Tubby ran out of town.
yea I can see why since your trying to change the focus.
the topic is garbage basketball for most of the season.
If you want to talk about the merits of the SEC tournament we can do that
Isn't the whole purpose of a season is to get better as the year goes on? Is a 10-8 record in the regular season last year "garbage" basketball, particularly with a team of basically Freshman? Really? In a season where the SEC was a really good league? I guess my definition of "garbage" is way different than yours.
I agree with you, that was a silly comment, but I feel he has the right to his belief, even though you and I don't agree with him. I hope we never all agree on here, or we will be like a bunch of lemmings. I love to see different opinions on here, even though I don't agree with a lot of them, and I don't expect them to agree with me on a lot of my opinions. That's what makes this a good board. We can agree to disagree. I don't think it's good, and I'm not talking about you, for posters to call someone idiots, morons, etc. Where I come from, those would be fighting words, and that's not good, especially at my age. The main thing is, it's disrespectful.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
In 2011, we went 22-8 in the regular season..that's not terrible but it's not great either..Decent or barely good at best when you consider some of those wins were against cupcakes in November and December.
In 2013, we were 21-10 in the regular season with really barely any good wins throughout the season.
In 2014, we were 22-9 in the regular season..worse than in 2011 not just in the loss column but we didn't have very many good wins in the regular season in 2014 either.
In 2016, we went 23-8 in the regular season..a few good wins in the regular season.
In 2017, we went 26-5 in the regular season with not that many good wins..but still was by far our best regular season besides the 09-10 season, the 11-12 season, and the 14-15 season
In 2018, we went 21-10 in the regular season.
Those are some pretty ugly regular seasons overall. Thank goodness for unexpected and shocking (for most people) deep Tourney runs in 2011 and 2014.
In 2013, we were 21-10 in the regular season with really barely any good wins throughout the season.
In 2014, we were 22-9 in the regular season..worse than in 2011 not just in the loss column but we didn't have very many good wins in the regular season in 2014 either.
In 2016, we went 23-8 in the regular season..a few good wins in the regular season.
In 2017, we went 26-5 in the regular season with not that many good wins..but still was by far our best regular season besides the 09-10 season, the 11-12 season, and the 14-15 season
In 2018, we went 21-10 in the regular season.
Those are some pretty ugly regular seasons overall. Thank goodness for unexpected and shocking (for most people) deep Tourney runs in 2011 and 2014.
no, each year the goal is the same - to win the national championship.
the problem here is under Cal we've started redefining what the purpose is - to watch players grow, to recruit one and dones, to get players drafted -
its a singular purpose that has been the goal every year UK basketball has played. To win the national championship. Some years you may not have a realistic shot, its understandable, but you plan on each season with that singular goal in mind.
In this case - bad losses translate to seeding challenges in March, seeding challenges in March means we've made it harder on us to reach our stated goal (or what should be our stated goal). Somewhere in this freshmen players first approach, many fans have decided that November and December are nothing more than glorified practice months. You can just disregard a loss like this or a loss to UCLA or to UNC as just part of the process.
It should never be accepted as part of the process.
Way too far back. I'm sure I said that UK would be a dominant 3 loss team or something like that. Still have no idea why they aren't. This is the most confusing roster disappointment since.. well, Duke or Michigan State two years ago.
It was before I was born but the 1958 team lost three games in December. So we have that going for us.
Seeding in the tournament is key. Digging yourself a big hole with bad losses early is just asking for a screwing by Emmert &Co
Wrote quite a bit about how Michigan would have no chance of beating Kentucky this year.
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Maybe was an over the top comment but should not be taken apart by some data.
How many "It's November, "It's December", "Cal plays for March" comments do we see on here. Too many to count.
It's a process, we're young, I have to teach them things they should already have learned.
These things describe something below average. And so it goes.
Cal HAS to play for March because his approach generally precludes anything else.
Based on Cal's track record with teams that have this much returning talent, UK really should be better than UM (and everybody else) right now, even given UM's strong start. There is absolutely no reason why this squad, on paper, shouldn't be Cal's third best team.
They're obviously not, though. And if for some reason Cal can't turn this one around (which he still can), I'd rather have Michigan turn out to be the best team in the country than any other big-conference contender, so I'm certainly not booing you guys.
I don't think I've seen over 2 posts suggesting everything is alright. Even the biggest sunshine pumpers, which I guess I am because I support Cal 100%, no everything is not fine right now.
If everything is just about practicing for March, then I wish we'd quit scheduling power five teams early in the season. It does nothing for the fans when we lose to those teams, besides show we're a long ways away. I dont even look forward to them unless I feel like we are the favorites. And it does nothing for bragging rights over the other fan bases when we've been owned by Kansas, UCLA (except for the sweet 16 in '17) and other teams since 2015.
I feel like all the people who enjoy the process so much every year must be people who really enjoy character development on tv shows and think deaths are beautiful send offs for characters.
I feel like all the people who enjoy the process so much every year must be people who really enjoy character development on tv shows and think deaths are beautiful send offs for characters.
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Where the hell have you been? Except for 3 seasons, our regular seasons under Cal have mostly been totally garbage.
Take away Cal’s luck runs in 2011 and 2014 and you see a more accurate picture of what Cal is.
Besides, it’s clear whatever magic he had in his first 5-6 years is long gone now. That magic being elite players.
Hail wtf are you doing over here under a different identity rather than the main board? It won’t belong before you guys finally win one
We’ve lost 13 of our last 28 games against non mid major schools
Let that sink in. Everyone that acts like things are fine.... they are not fine. This is tubbys last two years bad. But cal is white so he gets better treatment from some people
Let that sink in. Everyone that acts like things are fine.... they are not fine. This is tubbys last two years bad. But cal is white so he gets better treatment from some people
That won't be answered unless we play each other,so what is your point here?
its not about everything is alright now, its the attitude of dismissing these losses and poor play under the idea that everything will be fine in March. Cal is even saying it - "we'll be fine".
Yea, Cal, you'll be fine....the kids that go to the NBA and get paid will be fine, but the program you're in charge of mails in another season so you can run your NBA farm team experiment.
Some people start loving the coach like he’s a family member so they have a hard time turning on him.... but that’s crazy. You can love someone and see they aren’t right for holding your child...
I love my mom but she’s not watching my 7 year old with autism ... he gets outside on her and she lets him roam the yard alone.... she’s been nuts in her old age on many things.... but I still love her and always will.
Love cal and always will but his way is no longer right for UK. Hopefully he sees that and changes everything ... but the older people get the more stuck in their ways they become
I love my mom but she’s not watching my 7 year old with autism ... he gets outside on her and she lets him roam the yard alone.... she’s been nuts in her old age on many things.... but I still love her and always will.
Love cal and always will but his way is no longer right for UK. Hopefully he sees that and changes everything ... but the older people get the more stuck in their ways they become
Because he’s white? Gtfo with that stupidity. A title with a runner up and two other FF’s Is why Cal has earned respect. If he continues to struggle and put together a string of Tubby like seasons then he probably won’t be here for very long. BCG was white and you saw what happened to him. Take your identity politics and stuff it up your ass.
Tubby had a title , 4 elite 8’s. Bogans doesn’t get injured we make the title game at least... tubby never went to the NIT.....
I’m not defending tubby ... he should of gone. But defending cal when he is struggling is for a reason. And sadly one reason might be color with at least some people.
Maybe it’s not you but it is for some... and it might be for some without them even realizing it because as a white person we tend to gravitate to people like us... it happens with all races
Chinese people think Yao Ming hung the moon in basketball and would take him over Shaq a decade ago..... African Americans loved Obama.... need I go on?
Cals strung together 4 years equal to tubbys last 4 years (if this season is going the way it seems). And yet people still are still worshipping cal and hated tubby.
With some it’s the recruiting gives them misguided hope for the next year .... you want to bash that psychological aspect too?
I don't want Cal to go. I want him to end the NBA farm team mentality and accept that in order to win at the highest levels here he is going to have to change - which in my mind is developing continuity year over year.
He may not want that , I have no idea why he doesn't because his approach is significantly harder than having returning veteran players who are ready to start the season knowing how to play. He may think he can get the next Anthony Davis in 2020. What once seemed like a lock for UK now seems like an uphill battle We've gone from being in the conversation for a national championship to being in the conversation for recruiting a one and done.
But I would hope the first thing he does is address this mentality you have to leave the program as soon as you can, and start preaching about how long term stays for in the margins guys will improve your financial situation down the road.
Personally I don't think he would even consider it. He wants to be known as the players first coach and I think he'll do that until he leaves. That is *his* priority
He may not want that , I have no idea why he doesn't because his approach is significantly harder than having returning veteran players who are ready to start the season knowing how to play. He may think he can get the next Anthony Davis in 2020. What once seemed like a lock for UK now seems like an uphill battle We've gone from being in the conversation for a national championship to being in the conversation for recruiting a one and done.
But I would hope the first thing he does is address this mentality you have to leave the program as soon as you can, and start preaching about how long term stays for in the margins guys will improve your financial situation down the road.
Personally I don't think he would even consider it. He wants to be known as the players first coach and I think he'll do that until he leaves. That is *his* priority
How many years do we throw away wishing Cal would change when he won’t? It’s gonna take the nba doing away with one and done before Cal changes and I don’t want to waste another 4-6 years
I didn’t even mention the Elite 8’s Cal has on his resume. That’s because we don’t hang banners for those kind of seasons. Cal’s resume dwarfs anything that Tubby did here other than they both had a title.
Bringing the race of either coach into their treatment is about as absurd as it gets. You don’t have to look very hard to find plenty of criticism of Cal on this very board. I would assume the majority of posters here are white so your theory of him getting better treatment because he’s white is pure ignorance. As I pointed out BCG was white and only lasted two seasons. Where was his white privilege? Lol
A big part of the Tubby dislike was the over the top backlash someone received for speaking their mind about his coaching acumen.
People were banned from posting at whatever this variation of the site was, the mods locked down threads, etc for people who were fed up with what they were seeing on the court. There was little leash on it and that turned up the frustration on Tubby.
Everyone learned from that time and the board is more accepting of people framing their concerns.
Cal also rebuilt the program - rebuilt doesn't even accurately described what he did from Gillispie taking a down program from Tubby and driving it into the ground.
Cal came in and what people thought would be a 3 to 5 yea rebuilding did it overnight with recruiting, took down #1 seeds the following year and won a championship in 3.
You can't look at what Cal has done in complete isolation of just the last 4 years - primarily for 2 reasons - what he did works. Tubby inherited a team and a program on top. He then went about changing the program to fit him and his work ethic.
and that leads to the second reason - Cal's work ethic. He isn't dialing it down like it was so obvious about Tubby. He is still hitting it hard, maybe too hard.
So to me there is a big difference in comparing Cal having a run of frustrating seasons to Tubby's spiral down. But doesn't change that I believe Cal has to implement change in order to stop it.
Dude he makes 8 million dollars a year!! Double digit loss seasons are not ok!
not sure but 1. he's earned the right to fix it and 2. No one is yet to provide a replacement name that can come in and pick up where Cal left off.
Not to mention Barnhart isn't about to start thinking of replacing Cal or even hinting Cal should change his approach. Barnhart is risk averse.
Notice how you don’t address 13 losses to our last 28 power conf opponents. You focused on the white comment... focus on what really matters. How awful we are
So you are OK with Cal recruiting lower rated players, because that's the only way to ensure guys stick around and don't look at the professional ranks.
I guess you missed the part where I said Cal won’t be here very long if he doesn’t get things fixed. You’re basically trying to say Cal and Tubby had similar results and anyone without a brain dead agenda knows that’s a complete lie.
Horse crap. Beyond horse crap. We have five stars that are not projected first rounders. Every other team gets those guys back except for us. You act like we’d have to recruit 40-100 ranked guys. No. We just have to get our 10-25 guys to stay until they are first rounders like other teams
Ask this question of UNC, Nova, Michigan, Gonzaga, etc. They seem to get guys who hang around.
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