Depends on which stats you're asking about. I generally use Kenpom, Shotanalytics, hoop math, and sports reference. If I have time and want a specific data cut that's not a standard metric, I have also aggregated raw play by play data myself.
So Much Like 2010-2011 it's Scary
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Depends on which stats you're asking about. I generally use Kenpom, Shotanalytics, hoop math, and sports reference. If I have time and want a specific data cut that's not a standard metric, I have also aggregated raw play by play data myself.
I meant the stats that break down Marcus Lee's point production in percentages. Unless you went back and watched every game, or tracked every shot while watching the game, I would be surprised if there was a stats site out there to break down point production that thoroughly.
Well... you havent been right about anything else in this thread, i'm sure @UKnCincy isnt just pulling this out of thin air.
I didn't say he was, I was just wondering if there was a site that breaks down individual point production in such a manner.
I have already posted my argument to this, and that is:
The love for the 2011 team is warranted on the backend of the season, not on February 3rd (now 5th).
If we could take that moment of time, and the feelings of Kentucky fans at the time, and compare them to the feeling of Kentucky fans right now, they would be similar.
And, at the same moment in time, I would take this team if you were asking me to pick.
We have far more potential with 8 guys giving minutes that one guy blossoms into what we need him to be, than 6 guys giving minutes and one of those not getting hurt or being in foul trouble.
I would take the 2010-2011 outcome over the potential outcome for this team (because it could be an NIT debacle, a first round exit, but also a championship), but on February 3rd 2011 we didn't know the future outcome.
Somehow it turned into a Josh Harrelson love fest, as if I were comparing Marcus Lee to Anthony Davis.
Would you take Josh Harrelson over any of the other PF/C that Cal has had, other than Marcus Lee/Skal/Willis/Poythress?
2009-2010- Cousins, Patterson
2010-2011- Harrelson, Jones
2011-2012- Davis, Jones (2)
2012-2013- WCS, Noel, Poythress
2013-2014- WCS (2), Dakari, Julius Randle, Poythress
2014-2015- WCS, KAT, Dakari,
Ok..again horribly wrong.
The 2011 stats didnt just appear in the last 6 games.
2011 lost 4 away games by 2 points, they lost another on the road in OT by 1 point.
The fans feelings of frustration means nothing, just like your FG% and 0.2 blocks argument.
UK fans will be upset when we lose period, we won 38 games last year and many are still funing.
That team had a legitimate post presence.
That team could shoot the ball.
This is not a Harrellson love fest.
Josh played his hardest, and no it still wasn't better than the bigs you listed, however he was better than any on this team this year.
Our bigs are soft, foul prone, cannot hold the block, have weak hands and provide very little help on offense.
"We have far more potential with 8 guys giving minutes that one guy blossoms into what we need him to be, than 6 guys giving minutes and one of those not getting hurt or being in foul trouble."
Potential??? Only been waiting 3 years for Alex and Lee to show it and all season for Skal and Briscoe's shooting.
Every 2011 player 1-6 is better than teams 1-6.
You expect kids to finally "blossom" with only 9 games left...?
This is just so dumb to me.
You prefer a team that has been blown out by bad opponents over a team that wasnt.
You prefer a team with zero inside game.
You prefer a team that is a very poor shooting group.
You prefer a team that is soft, lacks a consistent will to play hard, and has a low bball IQ.
Do you have any substantial evidence other than you just think this and every player will all of a sudden blossom?
Harrellson had an offensive game. And he was simply a better basketball player. Thats why he got to play in the league, while Lee, IMO, will be lucky to make an NBA roster. The guy has ZERO offensive game and his basketball IQ is way below average.
A simple solution would've been to simply take a look at the four sites I mentioned.
Regarding shots breakdowns, both shotanalytics and hoop math provide this. Shot analytics does so in the form of heat maps that highlight the location of every shot for the player, and the percentage they hit from each spot. You can filter by specific zones (e.g., corner three, at rim). Shot analytics can cut the data a number of ways, especially on the NBA side of the site. For example, you can filter shots on the NBA side by how close the defender was to the player when the shot was taken.
Hoop math breaks down shot types as well, but it's all tabular data. They break shots out into 2pt at rim, 2pt jump shot, and 3pt jump shot. Hoop math also looks at offensive rebound put backs specifically and shots taken in transition.
Sorry, but NO, we do not have "far more potential" if those 8 guys include NO real quality big men, a starting guard who can't make a free throw, and another starting wing who can't defend anyone.
You know, a deeper rotation does not necessarily mean better. Only 5 guys can be on the court at once. I'd take the 2011 six guys (and really 7 if you count Vargas) in a game over this year's eight ANY day.
It baffles me how anyone watching this year's team would have the takes you've expressed on this thread.
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IMO, the 2011 team would handle this years team. We don't guard as well as that team did. Cal was able to put Liggins on the one, two, or three, and pretty much shut them down. We don't have that type of player this year.
We score enough, but we have a hard time getting consecutive stops, and then rebounding the ball.
We score enough, but we have a hard time getting consecutive stops, and then rebounding the ball.
I still like THIS team THIS year.
I may take Harrelson over Lee though...
Humphries is really starting to make a case.
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