Easier, maybe (no research either) but, if you do both, would not results be much faster?
Serious Question: Where do you draw the line?
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Build a train from our southern border to Canada. Everythings better in Canada right?
Naw...per NYT, they xenophobes too
The migrants were hoping to benefit from a loophole in a United States-Canada treaty that allowed them to make refugee claims in Canada if they did not arrive at legal ports of entry, but crossed the border illegally.
But Canadian officials are warning that even liberal Canada has its limits amid concerns, fairly or not, that illegal migration is stretching the immigration system to a breaking point and risks stoking a potential backlash.
Canada’s minister of immigration, Ahmed Hussen, himself a former refugee who moved to the country from Somalia when he was 16, said Canada was proud to be a welcoming country but could not welcome everyone. Only about 8 percent of Haitian migrants had received asylum here since the summer, he said, while there is a backlog of about 40,700 cases, according to Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Board.
“We don’t want people to illegally enter our border, and doing so is not a free ticket to Canada,” Mr. Hussen said in an interview. “We are saying, ‘You will be apprehended, screened, detained, fingerprinted, and if you can’t establish a genuine claim, you will be denied refugee protection and removed.’ ”
Obama lost Texas in 2012 by 1.3M votes
Trump won by 900,000.
No democrat has won Texas since 1976.
Yep. Going for the long view on turning Texas blue.
Trump won by 900,000.
No democrat has won Texas since 1976.
Yep. Going for the long view on turning Texas blue.
Beto just lost by one percent and the DNC has actively bragged about turning it blue. Jesus, I am using your party's stated goal. The act of liberals pretending to care about these migrants is stupid.
AZ just went blue from red with a poor candidate.
Immigration has turned VA, NV, NM, and CO from toss up states to lean blue. FL is holding for now.
Lone Star dreams: How Democrats plan to turn Texas blue
http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/lone-star-dreams-how-democrats-plan-turn
AZ just went blue from red with a poor candidate.
Immigration has turned VA, NV, NM, and CO from toss up states to lean blue. FL is holding for now.
Lone Star dreams: How Democrats plan to turn Texas blue
http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/lone-star-dreams-how-democrats-plan-turn
Naturalized immigrants may not vote the way I like! Close all of the borders!
For those interested in the financial impact of illegals coming and dropping anchor babies. A government report. not the ravings of a xenophobe Illegal immigrants get plenty of free stuff indirectly through their kids.
This is a 1997 report and it was mind-boggling. It's gotta be absolutely crazy 20 years later.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/230/224907.pdf
This is a 1997 report and it was mind-boggling. It's gotta be absolutely crazy 20 years later.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/230/224907.pdf
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Just pointing out the outrage farce and fake virtue signaling. In short, we should be like Canada on the issue.
Wow, and that's based on a report from 1995.
Our country is dumber than crap.
Why wouldn't you come to the US illegally?
The US is over $20 Trillion in debt. We have millions living in poverty. Many of those people include Veterans. Drugs are pouring into this country. Our infrastructure is crumbling. Our school systems are crumbling. The list goes on and on. We already spend billions upon billions being a welfare state for millions of Americans and Illegals.
So, let's just let millions more into this country illegally who are going to strain our taxpayers even further, many will break laws, some even worse (terrorists), and mainly just be deadbeats to our society. We have enough of those types as it is. We do not need anymore of them.
For those who want to come in legally, work hard (we need their labor), stay off government assistance, obey our laws, and just be good neighbors and citizens then I am more than happy for them to come.
So, let's just let millions more into this country illegally who are going to strain our taxpayers even further, many will break laws, some even worse (terrorists), and mainly just be deadbeats to our society. We have enough of those types as it is. We do not need anymore of them.
For those who want to come in legally, work hard (we need their labor), stay off government assistance, obey our laws, and just be good neighbors and citizens then I am more than happy for them to come.
And the benefit
But focusing on our end goal, ie. what we are trying to get from a wall or enhanced security, how many of these things will really be improved? I’m not asking that as a pundit but from a position of skepticism and fiscal conservativisn.
Starting with cartels, these people have huge financial incentives for getting drugs in the country. If there is a wall, they will go under it, over it or around it. They have the resources to do that. It’d be a temporary obstacle at most.
Developers and building owners are more than happy to build houses if there is a market for it. And just because a person starts low wage doesn’t mean they won’t advance the socioeconomic ladder. Statistics show this to be fluid.
Education is your best argument. ESL kids definitely put stress on public schools. But this isn’t a new problem either and ESL kids tend to adjust a lot quicker than their parents.
But one thing you are neglecting is how a large workforce also benefits the economy. Yes, more competition leads to decreased wages, but that also allows companies to slash cost of goods, which is a gain to the rest of the population.
I am not saying it’s all roses. There are definitely issues to address, but there a legit reasons for skepticism, none of which have to do with abolishing ICE or <insert random liberal cause here>.
But focusing on our end goal, ie. what we are trying to get from a wall or enhanced security, how many of these things will really be improved? I’m not asking that as a pundit but from a position of skepticism and fiscal conservativisn.
Starting with cartels, these people have huge financial incentives for getting drugs in the country. If there is a wall, they will go under it, over it or around it. They have the resources to do that. It’d be a temporary obstacle at most.
Developers and building owners are more than happy to build houses if there is a market for it. And just because a person starts low wage doesn’t mean they won’t advance the socioeconomic ladder. Statistics show this to be fluid.
Education is your best argument. ESL kids definitely put stress on public schools. But this isn’t a new problem either and ESL kids tend to adjust a lot quicker than their parents.
But one thing you are neglecting is how a large workforce also benefits the economy. Yes, more competition leads to decreased wages, but that also allows companies to slash cost of goods, which is a gain to the rest of the population.
I am not saying it’s all roses. There are definitely issues to address, but there a legit reasons for skepticism, none of which have to do with abolishing ICE or <insert random liberal cause here>.
But, in all of this so far no one has answered how much is enough or more importantly too much. We can't save the world.
I don’t know the answer. But I take a few road trips a year and there is a hell of a lot of undeveloped land in this country.
Part of it is the assumption that these people will be a drain on society or just contribute to blight. Then one day we will wake up and it’ll be too late. I don’t think people should fear that. Shit changes and that’s just the way it is. It can be a good thing.
Take a place like Kentucky with only about 4 million people. We are a small state relatively. Bringing in new people is a good thing. I’d like to see the corridor from Louisville to Lexington lined with civilization and things to do. Put a light rail between them. Develop it. That doesn’t make me a liberal, it makes me a ****ing capitalist. Ok. Rant over.
They go to school, use roads,
The payoff is that the descendants of legal Americans will still have a functional country.
I challenge you to show me any country in history that allowed unchecked movement of peoples across borders and didn’t cease to exist.
Painful truth: the people coming to America and Europe do not share the same culture as Americans and Europeans. A house divided against itself can’t stand for long.
Actually, it doesn’t make you a capitalist. Now if you are going to be the one risking your capital developing that corridor, you would be a capitalist. Otherwise, you are just a dreamer.
I think what you describe, unfortunately, illustrates economic ignorance. The availability of land to put people does not guarantee the economy can create sustainable employment to support those additional people. Your argument carried out to its extreme implies that we could fill up every inch of space with immigrants and the economy would automatically grow at a pace necessary to supply them with sustainable employment. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work that way. That will be especially true of unskilled, uneducated masses of people fleeing poverty. Those people won’t magically be able to fill high paying skilled jobs and create economic growth based on their skill level. What you describe is just not a realistic scenario. I hope you were being somewhat facisious.
The ones you bring in are not proven and many who have crossed the border in the southwest are gang members setting up drug trades and human sex/slave trafficking. That would spread along those corridors too if not vetted properly.
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No. I absolutely do not want to drone bomb the border. I want the end of the journey to be more difficult so people might not start the illegal journey to begin with. You think that lady in the frozen shirt with her 2 kids is going to jump a wall?
To go along with the wall, end the war on drugs so cartels don't run central America, and fix the legal immigration process so the incentives to ignore the immigration process aren't as great.
A lot of straw man arguments here that I’m quite frankly not going to waste my time with. But I will tell you what is absolutely not capitalist: economic protectionism.
We now live in a time where conservatives and people calling themselves libertarian support government intervention in markets with goal of artificially inflating wages.
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