Serious Question: Where do you draw the line?

[warrior-cat]

Taking in refugees and or helping poor people is a good thing to do but, the world is a big place and there are a lot of poor people with no skills out there who will be living off of the government dime, aka, your dime. How many is more than we can handle? What do we do with those who commit serious crimes in there country and are escaping to avoid prosecution?

 

[roguemocha]

Political thread is right at the top my friend.

 

[warrior-cat]

Political thread is right at the top my friend.

Yes I know but, this really needs its own. There is a real need for this as a separate discussion. I am for actually helping those in need but, real solutions need to be addressed and not political ones.

 

[Deeeefense]

If we can keep this from morphing into a red team blue team battle we can continue.

IMO it takes more than just fleeing poverty to qualify for political asylum.

By definition Refugee status is a form of protection that may be granted to people who meet the definition of refugee and who are of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm. For a legal definition of refugee, see section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

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Our law for determining Asylum/Refugee status pretty much follows international law so I think the answer is let's follow and enforce the law of the land. If people are genuinely fleeing for fear of their lives and can prove it, then they can be processed accordingly, if they can't, they have to be denied entry, or deported if they are already here, and if they wish to come here they have to follow normal immigration procedures.

 

[DidneyWorl]

I say we just give unlimited amount of tax payer money to them to live cozy in American cities. That'll fix the problem.

 

[ManitouDan]

Just follow current law , But we have to actually enforce current law . There is no " looking away" because you don't like the law . We need to stress that immigrants are to assimilate to US laws , traditions , expectations ,etc etc .. become an American .. Not bring your failed ways to our country . You want to come to America , you agree to be an American . All are welcome . But follow the process thats already on in place .

 

[JumperJack]

These are not refugees. Therein is the great lie.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Yes I know but, this really needs its own. There is a real need for this as a separate discussion. I am for actually helping those in need but, real solutions need to be addressed and not political ones.

The solutions are indeed political in nature and should be undertaken in the countries where these “migrants” flee from.

 

[812scottj]

There are legal ways to enter the US. We should protect our borders against illegal immigration.

 

[d2atTech]

There are legal ways to enter the US. We should protect our borders against illegal immigration.

#endthread

 

[oldsports_]

How else will Democrats get votes if they don't have illegal immigrants.
Come here legally and we have no issues.

 

[billue]

take everyone that says let them in to the boarder and say pick the one you want to take care of. but make sure they understand they have to provide for them and if they commit a crime they have to go to jail with them. other than that just follow the laws that are in place.

 

[buckethead1978]

take everyone that says let them in to the boarder and say pick the one you want to take care of. but make sure they understand they have to provide for them and if they commit a crime they have to go to jail with them. other than that just follow the laws that are in place.

Take one American that cannot spell border. Send him across the border and replace him with a hard working, willing to learn immigrant.

 

[cole854]

Political thread is right at the top my friend.

And this question isn't political in nature.....people make it out to be. Thanks for playing, however.

 

[BernieSadori]

In the sand, usually.

It's a figurative and literal line.

 

[Sawnee Cat]

Why should protecting our borders and having order in our country be political? This effects all Americans, women and men, children and all races. Even those who don't know if they are a man or a woman.

We have laws and the laws should be followed by all no matter what party you are. The very fact immigrants do not want to come into our country according to our laws is a red flag. So I say shut down the border until we have information on every single one of them. Then let immigration authorities do their job.

As far as welfare, I want every person on this earth to go to bed having been fed. I would like to see more involvement from the churches and more charity from the rich. Instead of billionaires giving millions to elect a candidate, why not feed a few 100,000 hungry children in Latin America. We would all feel better.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Anyone that wants to be an American, is welcome. But they MUST be willing to assimilate. Most muslims are NOT willing to do that.

Also, no welfare! When the Irish, Italians, Germans, Jews and Chinese first came, there was no welfare state. They had to work to survive and they had to assimilate.

 

[funKYcat75]

But they MUST be willing to assimilate. Most muslims are NOT willing to do that.

Please explain what assimilate means to you. Other may chime in.

 

[Mashburned]

IF you're just talking islam...

At the very least, assimilate would mean you should not literally worship the destruction of America. We can start there.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Please explain what assimilate means to you. Other may chime in.

Learn effing English, for one. Accept our effing laws for another. What the hell does it mean to you?

 

[Pelosigalore]

Please explain what assimilate means to you. Other may chime in.

Don’t try to change America to the country or culture that they came from. See Dearborn, MI

 

[funKYcat75]

Learn effing English, for one. Accept our effing laws for another. What the hell does it mean to you?

Calm down, chief. 'Assimilate' gets thrown around a lot, and I was just wondering what it means to you. I'm with you on the laws. We have Americans that don't accept our laws, though. They're called prisoners. If you're here illegally and you break the law, you should be deported. I'm sure there's a lot of legal mumbo jumbo between breaking a law and deportation, but still.

English might be the main language of our country, but it is not the official language. People who don't speak it have to deal with the repercussions of living and trying to work in a country where their language is not spoken by the majority. If they can make it through life without speaking English and don't actually affect your life in any way, then the language shouldn't be a part of it.

Having said that, if "we" (meaning the US, lawmakers, official etc.) start to enact regulations that make employers hire translators or change how we do business, then that's a step too far, IMO.

 

[vhcat70]

Take one American that cannot spell border. Send him across the border and replace him with a hard working, willing to learn immigrant.

Judges wouldn't allow it, specifically "Obama" judges.

 

[vhcat70]

Please explain what assimilate means to you. Other may chime in.

Not attempt to impose or have accepted customs as law that aren't legal or approved by legislatures. Sharia & genital mutilation & washing your feet in sinks come to mind.

 

[vhcat70]

Learn effing English, for one. Accept our effing laws for another. What the hell does it mean to you?

Well, English isn't the nationally approved/sanctioned/legal language. And almost all learn English over a generation or two. Net, not really an issue. Who do you know that was born here that doesn't speak English?

 

[warrior-cat]

Don’t try to change America to the country or culture that they came from. See Dearborn, MI

This, the idea of America is that we come together for freedoms including religion but, at the same time not infringe on others. Do not try and change our life style. Come here to join us not divide us.

 

[funKYcat75]

Do not try and change our life style.

Unless your food and/or music is really good. We can deal with that.

 

[CUJO_1970]

 

[homeytheclown]

The solutions are indeed political in nature and should be undertaken in the countries where these “migrants” flee from.

Exactly why are they leaving?

 

[homeytheclown]

This is our turn the Europeans could have easily sank all the boats invading but they didn’t if anyone but Donald trump was president we would be witnessing the voter replacement of Americans to turn power over to globalists

 

[mdlUK.1]

Well, English isn't the nationally approved/sanctioned/legal language. And almost all learn English over a generation or two. Net, not really an issue. Who do you know that was born here that doesn't speak English?

Well, there was just a national story last month where people were turned away from a restaurant because no one spoke English. So.....

 

[qwesley]

World population is 7.7b, up ~120% over the past 50 years. To have a major push that says anyone that shows up asking for asylum gets entry, as many are wanting, is lunacy and is escalating the numbers. And it hurts the poor minorities in the country the most. Ironically two major liberal leaders (Kerry, HRC) made comments last week that mass immigration is hurting Europe.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

If you work in a shared office building, with a few different businesses or departments, you don't let people through the door at will just because some portion of the building is scheduled to see them.

What's the proper protocol? You check in with security. They verify who you are, and they let you in. If you're not supposed to be there you don't get in. If you get rowdy, you are escorted off the premises and possibly arrested.

Obviously our country is not exactly the same as an office building. I don't think an office should teargas visitors. But you need to be authorized and authenticated or you're not getting in.

 

[buckethead1978]

"Although the first German-born settler arrived in 1817, significant German immigration to Louisville did not occur until steamboat travel was possible in the 1830s," the Ullriches wrote. "By 1840, the German population of Louisville was large enough that entire German-speaking neighborhoods existed east of downtown ... Germans had established their own churches, bilingual schools, and kindergartens. By 1850, social and benevolent organizations, such as singing societies, orphans' societies, and a Turnverein (athletic club), were thriving as well."

"But cultural and religious differences between the immigrants and the long-established English-speaking population (Nativists) erupted in the election day riots of August 6, 1855 when Nativists tried to prevent immigrants from voting. At least 22 persons were killed that day, which became known as 'Bloody Monday.' Many German immigrants left Louisville after Bloody Monday ..."

 

[Chuckinden]

We live in a different time since the original laws of immigration were written. There are too many "immigrants" that take advantage of our welfare system. Change that system and immigration problems will take care of themselves.

 

[funKYcat75]

We live in a different time since the original laws of immigration were written. There are too many "immigrants" that take advantage of our welfare system. Change that system and immigration problems will take care of themselves.

Do undocumented immigrants get welfare, WIC, etc? I don't personally know that answer, but common sense says that they don't.

 

[Chuckinden]

Do undocumented immigrants get welfare, WIC, etc? I don't personally know that answer, but common sense says that they don't.

Well, I'm not talking about "welfare" in the "a check every month", but all the other handouts the underprivileged receives.

I don't know either, what all illegal immigrants get, but they should have to go through the process of getting into the country AND know how to speak English.

Like I said in my post, we live in a different time now and just can't go by the motto of “Give us your tired, your poor, your hungry, your huddled masses yearning to be free” anymore.

 

[funKYcat75]

all the other handouts the underprivileged receives.

As in?

 

[mdlUK.1]

Do undocumented immigrants get welfare, WIC, etc? I don't personally know that answer, but common sense says that they don't.

I don’t know either but I’m betting they do. They think they will. And all those lawyers down there helping them get into the country are probably helping them with getting welfare too.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Do undocumented immigrants get welfare, WIC, etc? I don't personally know that answer, but common sense says that they don't.

Lot of reports and studies say that upwards of half of illegal immigrants are on government assistance. But I'm sure some can pull up articles. Certainly an awful lot of them are living on the taxpayer.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most conservatives don't care if Julio and Patel live next door (I certainly don't, beats my scandinavian-rooted cooking). They just want them to be vetted, with no legitimate criminal backgrounds, and not be freely on govenment assistance.