Whatever their motive, their purpose is the thing I said. I'm giving means, you're giving ends.
Seofblue writer says Diallo is gone
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Whatever their motive, their purpose is the thing I said. I'm giving means, you're giving ends.
UK doesn't win national titles that often. 4 in 60 years. Let's not act like calipari has brought uk down with his recruiting strategy.
The thing about Diallo is he's a guard in a guard era. He could very well come back and play himself into a lotto lock. He could also come back and prove he can't shoot among other things.
The fact that he didn't go 5 on 5 pretty much told me that Cal n others close to him didn't want folks to see something. They wanted to sell the league on his freak athletic measurements, health (no nagging/lingering injuries from the season), youth, and fact that he had no bad film.
Also, as i've said in other posts the fact that multiple teams have multiple picks in his projected range is really something that plays in his favor. For those teams Diallo will have incredible value as he could very well be a lotto talent who's available late first early second, and they have extra picks and a more room for error.
The fact that he didn't go 5 on 5 pretty much told me that Cal n others close to him didn't want folks to see something. They wanted to sell the league on his freak athletic measurements, health (no nagging/lingering injuries from the season), youth, and fact that he had no bad film.
Also, as i've said in other posts the fact that multiple teams have multiple picks in his projected range is really something that plays in his favor. For those teams Diallo will have incredible value as he could very well be a lotto talent who's available late first early second, and they have extra picks and a more room for error.
You want evidence that Diallo came here intending to jump into the draft if possible? Tell me how many minutes he logged on the court in a UK jersey. If he is a 1st Round NBA pick, he should have played.
2nd highest vertical in the history of the Combine? He should have played. Freaky athletic with quickness? He should have played.
You can't tell me the ''17 squad couldn't have used a guy with all those attributes. If he wasn't given a scholarship with the intention of him actually playing then, there was another reason he was here.
2nd highest vertical in the history of the Combine? He should have played. Freaky athletic with quickness? He should have played.
You can't tell me the ''17 squad couldn't have used a guy with all those attributes. If he wasn't given a scholarship with the intention of him actually playing then, there was another reason he was here.
How do you conclude from Diallo not playing at the combine, that Cal was behind that decision, or played a role in it? Cal has advised players to come back and they've gone anyway. They don't always listen to him.
Faulty logic. Wynyard came on about the same time as Diallo, was offered the chance to play and didn't. Was that proof he intended to jump into the draft as soon as possible?
Jakarri beat out JFCats for this one.
The fact that anyone of you question Cal's decision, or the opportunity for a kid to get an education and go to college, is frankly disgusting. Keep up the negativity and hate, I'm sure it's a good look on our fan base.
And, it works both ways, our guards got to practice against an elite player, you don' think that made Fox/Monk/Briscoe better??
And, it works both ways, our guards got to practice against an elite player, you don' think that made Fox/Monk/Briscoe better??
Also, we won 14 games in a row down the stretch without him. But some fans wanted Cal to insert a guy in the middle of the season, and possibly upset team chemistry. And if it didn't work out, Cal and Diallo both would have been trashed. Lose/lose scenario.
True.
And in a game decided by 2 points, some impact matters. Maybe he forces Jackson into a bad shot out of rhythm due to Diallo's length. Maybe he forces a half court steal with his athleticism (I'm also aware that there's a chance Diallo have hurt UK's chemistry by joining midseason, although I think it's remote).
The refs played a massive part in the first half, which is precisely why having some other form of advantage mattered for Kentucky. I'm not sure why some are playing obtuse on this issue. It's not hard to figure out.
You just lost all credibility with listing skj and Gabriel. I don't see them working out for NBA teams.
Jumping real high and being fast means you're ready to play and contribute? Where do I sign up? How about shooting, ball handling, defense, playing within the offense? The 17 squad had Monk, Fox, Hawkins, Bam, Briscoe, SKJ, Gabriel and Mulder who could all jump really high and run really fast too.
You do get that jumping that high in a game, while handling a ball and going through traffic is a little different than a single standing jump without either, right?
You do also understand the NBA drafts on potential and not what you are now? Some of you seem to think these guys are expected to be major contributors from day 1 just because they were drafted, when in fact they are mostly being drafted on what they may be in a few years.
So, because they aren't working out with NBA teams means they aren't athletic? I guess all the other players and people in the country not working out for NBA teams aren't athletic either?
5 titles in 60 years, right?
That doesn't change you point, with which I totally agree.
You're a delusional person who seems upset at the reality of situations.
I didn't insinuate "taking advantage" of them for money. I said it's a business; not some charity of "Come here so we can make dreams come true." It takes a lot of money to run it and they're not going to give services away for free. We are selling what that degree can accomplish but to exist, you need students.
You also seem to not understand the obvious comparisons of quid pro quo. You get something in exchange for something. A student and a college have an exchange. Diallo gave nothing at all. He used us when he had the ability to contribute.
Again, we are fans of Kentucky basketball. We are not fans of, "Oh, I hope Diallo can buy a lot of stuff."
Or maybe he makes a bad play in the game before and we never make the elite 8, or maybe he forces a shot another player could have made, or maybe he misses a defensive assignment and let's someone else score. The maybes are endless and work both ways.
Right, hard enough to get freshman in a good spot by end of season. Also, we were set on guard/wing players...who's he going to take minutes away from?? Fox/Monk/Briscoe/Hawkins/Willis? Nope.
Insert kid right in middle of conference play, would have hurt the team and the player.
So we lost because Diallo didn't play his very first minutes of his college career in an Elite 8 game. This is reality not an afterschool special, it isn't Ky's Hoosier moment. C'mon be realistic and quit showing your ignorance. We lost to UNC because monk waited til last 90 seconds to take a real shot..
Imagine if Diallo played and we still lost? The naysayers on here would go apoplectic on Cal for playing a pure rookie in that situation...Diallo is not the reason UK lost. So just stop
Imagine if Diallo played and we still lost? The naysayers on here would go apoplectic on Cal for playing a pure rookie in that situation...Diallo is not the reason UK lost. So just stop
You literally said of colleges "to benefit themselves by selling a dream." I'm the one upset by the reality of the situation? Yet you're the one with your panties in a bunch over a teenager deciding to go make millions of dollars instead of being "sold a dream" as you put it. I'm not really upset by it at all. I think he came here to learn, grow and develop. He sat out for the semester planning to play a full season next year. As always planned and stated he is testing the waters. I don't think he or most expected to be strongly considered after not playing this season, but now that he is he has to strongly consider it. Anybody who says they wouldn't consider that kind of money is purely lying or totally naive.
Adding an elite player rarely backfires for a program, especially a player who is under the tutelage of a guy like Calipari – a coach who selects players who are willing to defer and thrive within a disciplined system.
Can you think of a handful of times when an elite player cost Kentucky and Calipari a tournament game because of any of the type of scenarios you presented? You’ve created a dualistic argument regarding a fictional universe where a guy like Diallo is automatically assumed to be incompetent and incapable of playing within the structure of a disciplined system. It doesn’t work both ways because there isn’t an even split of scenarios where elite kids backfired on Kentucky.
Some great points in this post. Don't agree with the NBA prep comment because it's only 1 player but you make some valid points.
Can you think of a handful of scenarios, or just 1, where Cal has brought in a player mid-season that was a high level recruit like Diallo at UK? Especially one that was actually expected to contribute?
I can only go by what something appears to be until told otherwise by those in the know.
If Cal every comes out and says "i wanted Diallo to go 5 on 5" then so be it. As of right now it appears if nobody lobbied for him to do anything other than what he has done.
I'm not saying that it is a bad thing, or that Cal or whomever advised it should be faulted. It's actually a brilliant strategy, which leads me to believe that somebody well versed in drafts had something to do with it.
Why taint everything Diallo has going for him with a bad 5 on 5 showing? He has more than enough to be enticing for franchises.
As I said in another post, he kind of reminds me of a little known overseas project. Nobody knows much about him other than his potential and he is really young. Every year there is a couple head scratching picks in the first round, most of the time they are very raw and young overseas kids nobody knows a lot about. Diallo could be the surprise pick of the draft this year.
Had he gone out and had a poor shooting performance in 5 on 5, showed some defensive weakness, or turned the ball over a bunch he could have not only played himself out of the draft this year but hurt himself next year as well.
Since you didn’t quote anyone, I’m not sure who you’re writing to, but I’ll respond.
My personal contention is that if Diallo intended to leave regardless at the end of the season, he could have helped UK in a minimal way – particularly as a defender. If he truly “wasn’t ready” mentally or physically, I get that – but isn’t that argument is blown away the moment he remains in the current draft? How do you go from not being ready to play against the SEC to suddenly ready to play against the NBA in matter of two or three months? This is a valid question, and one that I think is at the root of much of the criticism.
Diallo was probably never going to be a 20 minute/game guy on last year’s team, but 8 to 15 minutes of defensive assignments is hardly out of the question.
I guess it all comes down to whether or not folks are willing to buy the scenario that Diallo didn’t think he was really ready to play. I’m not sure how that argument is congruent with a kid who stays in the draft, however.
My problem with the situation is Diallo should have declared and signed with a Agent right away. Then maybe we could have locked up another guard or transfer in his place. By waiting to the end he has basically screwed us from getting any type of replacement or a multi year player like Hawkins. If you are going to go Pro roll the dice but do not be selfish and hurt the program.
^ A perfect example of a brainwashed fan who eats up the fairytales and talking points fed to him.
Yeah, I'm sure it was Diallo coming to practice in January that put our backcourt over the top. It's not like Fox and Monk weren't awesome before that. I'm also sure that you think Ryan Harrow contributed a lot to that 2012 national title team.
"Get an education." Hahaha. This guy came here for a few months and we don't even know how he finished the semester. You're gonna feed this crap to us about Diallo caring about an education when he spent a couple of months in college and bounced?
Oh, and grow up. So tired of people like you confusing criticism and accountability for "hate." Everyone needs to wear kid gloves so you never get criticized for decisions and actions, right?
By that twisted logic Cal must be a magician. He keeps getting top ranked classes.
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I'll never understand why a portion of the fan base acts like having NBA players in the league and being a players first program and having success on the court is mutually exclusive. The "I only care about UK fans" should be getting what they want because this is our most prominent period since the 50's. The bitterness over players electing to get paid for their services is a bad look, especially when we win so many games anyway. At least 345 other D1 fan bases would love to trade with us.
Man I'm just giving you a hard time. I just think diallo would of impacted us last year, positively or negatively. Most likely positive
I’ll engage in your question, and then I’d ask you to at least try to answer the question I initially posed you as opposed to averting it.
There’s no doubt adding Diallo midseason would have been unprecedented for Kentucky (the entire situation is), but assuming that it would have created a negative is strange. While at UK, Cal has never added a player midseason. I’d have to check his Memphis/UMass days. Then again, how often does a top 10 kid have a chance like Diallo did to joining up at a school like Kentucky half-a-year early? Small sample size, although the sample size for Cal’s work with elite prospects is much larger – which goes back to the original question you evaded: can you think of a handful of times when an elite prospect played incompetently enough to cost UK a tournament game? I can think of perhaps two cases of that being the case, but even those would be a stretch.
Again, what is the debate centered around? It is centered around a mentality. Did Diallo intend to ever play at Kentucky? That question is the center of the entire argument. If he did intend to play, then there’s nothing to discuss. Perhaps his game evolved enough for him to make the leap due to practice development. One can’t fault this entire episode if that’s the case. But if Diallo was ready and able to contribute, and could have helped UK but chose not to (while at the same time knowing he would never play here), there is should be a discussion regarding his initial mentality. I’m not sure why such a question should be rebuked as illegitimate.
True. Until next season. And then 4. It's just modern era it's been tough for uk.
And you base this on what? The mental gymnastics you use to blindly defend this is impressive.
You're like a member of a cult who refuses to accept reality and needs to blindly defend everything.
Your penchant for ad hominem attacks is not a good look.
Outside perception is the exact opposite of this, though. UK fans are largely known to support our NBA guys. Our program is already decried as an NBA Farm Team by the rest of college basketball, and most of our fans are fine with that – and the rest of the country knows it.
The internal criticisms against OAD are minimal. Our fans have largely grown to accept and endorse it. The Diallo situation is entirely different and unprecedented. It also requires a mental adjustment, just like the early years of OAD under Cal did for our fans. If UK fans need to vent and discuss this issue in order to better process a scenario like Diallo’s potential jump to the NBA, I see nothing wrong with it. At the very least, it’s entirely bizarre and is unlike anything we’ve seen before.
Where do you get that being drafted means you are ready to contribute right away, or player right away in the league. They draft on potential and what you can become. Even though they can't contribute now, the hope is that they develop into a really good player and you can keep them long term or trade them for another piece. Either way they give you value and you're preventing another team from getting him and the value that could come with him. You all seem to have this idea that being drafted means you're ready to play and contribute day one. That is simply not reality.
1- UCLA's crazy run messed up the 60's
2- 80's were messy by our own fault (scandal + probation)
3- 2000's....Tubby just didn't have it
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