To be clear, I used the word intervention because it was the word used by a poster in a previous post in regards to the egg won’t implant without intervention.
Roe v Wade
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Im saying that a baby surviving at 22 weeks is fact and documented. It either happened or it didn’t. The development during gestation is also documented facts. That has been proven to be what happens. The only thing I said about the development being opinion is when did the life start because there is no black and white moment that conclusively says when life begins. Many believe it starts at conception. Many people don’t. Not even all scientists agree when it starts. Therefore, that is opinion.
Zygote - 2 weeks
Embryo - 2-8 weeks
Fetus - 8+ weeks
So should these distinctions have importance...would seem fair enough to me.
I think they should definitely be distinctions. I’ve said repeatedly that I wouldn’t choose abortion for my family but I support the right for a woman to choose for herself. I also don’t think late term abortions should be available except in very specific circumstances. I think a 15/16 week timeframe for an abortion is reasonable. I don’t think 8 weeks is fair because many women barely know or don’t know they are pregnant at 8 weeks.
Pretty reasonable stance. Kind of wild a judge blocked a legislature seemingly, reasonable 15 week ban - and blew up this issue into a huge deal.
Think this is pretty close to the opinion of a majority of Americans
The district court would have been appealed, regardless. The Court of Appeals would have reversed a district court that found the Mississippi law constitutional, which would have been hard for ANY district court without wading into Casey and performing legal gymnastics that a trial court does not have the authority to do. Most conservative trial judges would have found for the plaintiff, as well. This was going to the Supreme Court, so long as the Supreme Court accepted review.
We take you now to the front porch of Kentucky Bob, circa 1848:
Bob: I believe Africans are fully human, just like me, with the same gifts, rights, and freedoms as me. Personally, I would never own a slave. Just don’t think it is right for me or my family. But, I know Tennessee Joe and others don’t agree with me and I respect their right to disagree and, therefore, do not think their choice to be slave owners should be taken from them and made illegal. Respect my decision.
Bob: I believe Africans are fully human, just like me, with the same gifts, rights, and freedoms as me. Personally, I would never own a slave. Just don’t think it is right for me or my family. But, I know Tennessee Joe and others don’t agree with me and I respect their right to disagree and, therefore, do not think their choice to be slave owners should be taken from them and made illegal. Respect my decision.
Just when I think you can't post something more stupid than you have previously, you always do.
I understand why you don’t like the point made. You have struggled to support your positions in this thread. Failed, in fact. You cannot move the ball fast enough to keep up with all the weaknesses in your expressed views. So, you have nothing left but to do what you do best, name call and attempt to shame. Good luck with that. 😆
I didn't call you names. I said your post was stupid and it was. I didn't say you were stupid. There is a huge difference. In your post, you tried to compare the fetus to a slave. The problem is the pregnant woman is more like the slave than the fetus. She is being forced to do something that she doesn't want to do. In essence, this SCOTUS ruling has "enslaved" her to this baby. I haven't failed in anything i posted. You on the other hand have failed at just being a good person. Do us a favor. Go back to your cave and take your caveman view with you. If it was up to you, it would be ok for women to be drug down the street by their hair like cavemen used to do. That is right up your alley.
I constantly lose IQ points by reading your ridiculousness. Back to ignore you go.
The comparison is not between a fetus and a slave, or a slave and a woman. It is a comment about weakness.
It's cute when you try. My cousin's toddler has more wit but hey at least you try.
Judge to block Florida abortion ban; Kentucky ban on hold
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A Florida judge said Thursday that he will temporarily block a 15-week ban on abortions in his state, but his bench ruling won't take effect before the ban becomes law Friday — an issue that could cause confusion for patients as well as abortion providers.
apnews.com
Your weakness.
Now, be strong for once and follow through on your promise and put me on ignore.
Poorly written article. Perry grants a TRO based on the Ky Constitution and the article makes no effort to explain the legal analysis employed by the judge. The judge was required to find irreparable harm AND likelihood of success by the plaintiff. The article should have explained the latter.Judge to block Florida abortion ban; Kentucky ban on hold
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A Florida judge said Thursday that he will temporarily block a 15-week ban on abortions in his state, but his bench ruling won't take effect before the ban becomes law Friday — an issue that could cause confusion for patients as well as abortion providers.
The fact is abortions can now legally be performed in KY again. It’s a good day for women’s rights in KY even if it’s only temporary.
Typical leftie who does not care if there is a legal foundation or not, just so long as he gets his way and babies are killed.
If a judge temporarily halted it, seems that there is legal foundation for it at least for now. It also has nothing to do with babies being killed. In fact, I prefer that women not choose abortions. Them having the ability to make the choice for themselves is a great day in KY though regardless of the decision they make.
Lets just make vasectomies mandatory as well as outlawing abortions. If a guy can't get a girl pregnant, then we don't have to worry about abortions. If the goal is truly to save baby lives, you should be all in on it. Vasectomies can be reversed when the guy has a partner that he wants to have a baby with.
“The restraining order will remain in place until at least next Wednesday when the state's two abortion providers are expected to present cases for why there should be a more permanent suspension of the law.”
It sounds like the judge permitted the stay while the plaintiffs gather legal arguments supporting the stay. With the history of abortion laws in Kentucky prior to the entry of Roe, it is highly unlikely that the Kentucky constitution is implicated by Kentucky’s trigger law. Rather, this appears to be just a liberal judge being a liberal judge.
It sounds like the judge permitted the stay while the plaintiffs gather legal arguments supporting the stay. With the history of abortion laws in Kentucky prior to the entry of Roe, it is highly unlikely that the Kentucky constitution is implicated by Kentucky’s trigger law. Rather, this appears to be just a liberal judge being a liberal judge.
Nope. I know pro-life liberals. Of course, I never said that all pro-abortion people were liberals. That thought came out of you.
Here is another win for women.
www.cnn.com
Judge says Florida's 15-week abortion law is unconstitutional | CNN Politics
In a setback for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Republican lawmakers, a Florida judge has ruled that a new state law banning abortions at 15 weeks is unconstitutional and he intends to block it from taking effect on Friday.
Awww. I’m sorry if I gave you the impression I give a shit about your opinion of me.
The only impression you’ve given me is that you probably have gotten your socks and sandals caught under the brake pedal of your Prius.
And I thought Caveman was the least witty person here. You should really put some work in on these attempted insults. Maybe you wouldn’t look so foolish Scooter.
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What’s your point? Most won’t know or be involved with anyone that gets carjacked and murdered but they still think the person that commits these crimes should be prosecuted to the greatest extent possible. That was a really dumb argument.
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