Return to Office

[cole854]

Companies already have a good idea on who are the underperforming front line employees. In general, WFH policies have identified poor management moreso than poor front line.

True on the first part, and incorrect on the second. Management has had to adjust moreso than front line employees who are WFH, especially if there are parts of their job that can be more efficient with them in the office.

 

[cole854]

Obvious by this thread that most on here either don't understand, or don't care, about a companies responsibility to the community, neighborhood, etc, with being back in the office vs. remote. There are obviously exceptions such as a new start up or low employee tally that doesn't need office space, and certain positions which are completely absent of any office related necessities. The selfish, all about me attitudes took a turn for the worse during covid, and even the laziness factor, especially in the younger generation and having them return to the office is deemed as punishment.

 

[AmericanDragon]

That might be the most first world problem I’ve ever heard in my life, good grief. You probably complain you’re underpaid as well.

I don't like wasting my time.

 

[Get Bucket$]

That might be the most first world problem I’ve ever heard in my life, good grief. You probably complain you’re underpaid as well.

All the time under his old screen name.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Sadly, there are a lot of positions out there that are simply button pushers. I'm not convinced that this isn't exactly what state jobs are: "workfare", in which jobs are created so a lower class of people (lazy, low IQ, etc) can collect a paycheck that in turn is used to stimulate the economy.

But I am pretty anti-CEO myself. I've worked for some nasty ones. Management can EAD as far as I'm concerned. They're never going to pay you what you think your deserved, they always come in less. They reward the hard worker by giving him more work, while the lazy skate by. They promote fake work culture. They pretend the company is your family. They always seem to be doing something squirrely. I know that they are job creators and they are entitled to much higher pay checks than me. I just play the same game they do. I'm here for a pay check and I'm here to do exactly what I was hired for, nothing more. If you start to **** with those things, I will begin to quiet quit. That simple.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Here's perk #78 of WFH: if you're sick, you don't havs to take a PTO/Sick day like you would if you worked in the office. Just roll out of bed, put on a robe, and sign in.. no need to get dressed, commute in or feel pressured to stay home so you don't infect others. You could also sneak a nap on your lunch break

And you aren't infecting everyone else. I remember the days when random virus would run through the office a few times a year, not counting the flu.

 

[IkeCat]

Bottom line: Dear Leader says back to office.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Yeah, fire them all

 

[LordEggForgotHisPassword]

I wish everyone would work from home so I could get something done at the office.

 

[MegaBlue05]

Yeah, fire them all

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I will never understand advocating for people to go through the pain in the ass of commuting to an office that isn’t necessary to perform their job.

I used to commute from south of Etown to Louisville daily. My life is so much better without wasting 10-15 hours per week of my personal time to drive to and from a job that can be done anywhere in the world with an internet connection. That doesn’t even factor in the massive savings on gas and way less wear and tear on my personal vehicle. The feeling of knowing I am home the second I close that laptop is priceless.

I feel like it’s a mentally that some folks have that “If I have to go to the office, everyone should have to” because we can’t have someone else receiving a perk I did not. Weird, selfish mindset, tbh.

 

[Perrin75]

I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.

What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.

To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?

 

[UnfrozenCatfanLawyer]

I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.

What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.

To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?

Well, you see, working from home is woke and liberal, and working in an office is freedom and conservative. Hope this helps.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.

What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.

To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?

Jmo but it's just a tool to shed jobs. They know some wont come back because they moved etc.

I think someone mentioned it in this or another thread, but imo elon is biased because his industries are hands on. It isn't work that can effectively be done from home. However that isn't the case for many industries.

 

[berniecarbo]

Jmo but it's just a tool to shed jobs. They know some wont come back because they moved etc.

I think someone mentioned it in this or another thread, but imo elon is biased because his industries are hands on. It isn't work that can effectively be done from home. However that isn't the case for many industries.

I am just a little guy, but it is hard for me to relate. I have always been associated with work where a product was physically made.

 

[IdaCat]

The massively bloated government is full of worthless employees who do little more than play and sleep whether at home or in the office. It's just more convenient for them to do it at home. I've seen it firsthand.

The only possible "positive" is that it gives an unproductive deadbeat an unnecessary taxpayer funded job. This is the liberal socialist utopia. They love this shit.

Forcing them to come to the office will cause some to quit, thus helping to trim this unnecessary waste.

Simple as that. Glad I could help.

 

[Bill Cosby]

I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.

What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.

To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?

Without knowing the specifics, I’d say I’d probably be OK not only eliminating your friends job, but whatever federal agency he works for in its entirety.

The federal government had become an obscenely large, wasteful parasitic organization that’s far outside the boundaries of what was ever intended.

The risks of allowing it to grow and suck resources from the private economy far outweigh any risks with eliminating most of what it’s doing.

So Trump’s actions may seem illogical if you’re viewing them through the lens of someone who wants the federal government to exist in its current capacity, burning the resources it does.

But for those of us who want the federal government scaled back significantly, we understand. It’s easier to have most people quit.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Jmo but it's just a tool to shed jobs. They know some wont come back because they moved etc.

I think someone mentioned it in this or another thread, but imo elon is biased because his industries are hands on. It isn't work that can effectively be done from home. However that isn't the case for many industries.

It's exactly what Amazon AWS sectors did. They told staff to get back to an office no matter how far said office was. They knew it would shed salary. It's quite common.

This also isn't really a conservative/Trump thing (to the guy above you). Most CEOs and execs are pushing for this and there's plenty that are liberal. And while I've made it known that I don't want to go back to the office (in my very first post lol).. I understand that there may come a point where for economic purposes, we MAY need to have some sort of hybrid work system. Can society continue to operate if urban areas are empty? How will that trickle down? If Albany becomes a ghost town, that has two big negative effects: 1. Tax base gets dropped, possibly effecting jobs and 2. jobs that rely on commuters to the city are also lost.

I keep going back to this.. I get both sides of the equation here. I know what I prefer, and thats to WFH.. but I also know that we can't let EVERYONE WFH..

So back to my original point: Everyone has to return to the office, everyone except me lol.

 

[WTF Cat]

"Back to the Office" is a genius move.

It'll force some (hopefully many) to quit (mainly liberals), and thats a HUGE win for America.

The ones that come back can now be monitored and actually forced to do work, which, again, is a HUGE win for America.

I have some retired fed govt employees as clients... and the stories they've told me are as bad or worse than you can imagine.

 

[AmericanDragon]

And you aren't infecting everyone else. I remember the days when random virus would run through the office a few times a year, not counting the flu.

At my current office, but before I got here, virtually everyone got COVID because someone decided to come to work when they had COVID. The office closed down for two weeks so the few that didn’t have COVID got either ****ed out of two weeks of pay or two weeks of PTO they could use to cover it. And we only get 24 days of PTO for the entire year.

 

[AmericanDragon]

I will have to say that I am still perplexed as to why Return to Office is getting this much focus/attention by the current administration. From data that was gathered when congress launched their investigation into this situation last year, they determined that over half of Govt employees aren't eligible for remote work, less than 10% are fully remote, and for those that are teleworking it is usually 1-2 days a week. There hasn't been any information on decreased efficiency, loss of output, increased costs, or literally anything that would point towards a need to change the status quo.

What they did find is that there were billions of dollars in savings that could be had from getting rid of unused office space. However, with this new return to office mandate, those savings are off the table. They are going to need to lease more office space, expand their IT support, buy furniture, increase utility budgets, etc. The current return to office is going to significantly increase the costs of everything because many of these employees have been working remotely from decades and have never had an official office or they are sharing spaces with other employees.

To make matters worse, all of these mandates have been universal instead of targeted. I have a friend who relocated to Kentucky from Washington, DC about 4 years ago. He was doing so much field work in Kentucky/Southern Indiana that it made a lot more sense for him to be here than in DC. His agency doesn't have an office anywhere near here, so he works from home. Now, he has been given 30 days to return to office in DC. Once that happens, he will then have to start flying back and forth to Kentucky once again in order to do his job. How in the world is this improving anything?

Because that’s how Republicans operate. Create major problems out of something that’s a minor problem at best then make it a tent pole of their policy while ignoring all the everyday problems that **** over large numbers of Americans on a daily basis.

Why bother with policy to help reduce prices of groceries, housing, cost of raising children, etc. when you can force people back to the office or ban transgender people from competing in women’s sports!

 

[Bill Cosby]

Drastically reducing the de facto UBI program and reducing government spending is how you start to combat inflation. Need the government to stop printing money.

Paying people to sit at home and jerk off while shuffling paperwork that slows down the productive economy for no benefit, and coming up with new additional government programs to reduce the cost of groceries or housing is nonsensical.

You government workers (annd those companies dependent on government spending) are a huge cause of the inflation. Directly or indirectly.

 

[WTF Cat]

Because that’s how Democrats operate. Create major problems out of something that’s a minor problem at best then make it a tent pole of their policy while ignoring all the everyday problems that **** over large numbers of Americans on a daily basis.

Why bother with policy to help reduce prices of groceries, housing, cost of raising children, etc. when you can force people back to the office or ban transgender people from competing in women’s sports!

FFY.

But let's a make a list of recent problems:

Race relations: Hussein Obama
Inflation: Joe Biden (or, more accurately, whatever Democrat that's making his decision for him)
Weakened military: Hussein Obama, Joe Biden (Hamas and Isis say "thanks" btw)
US economy: Joe Biden (with special credit to Hussein Obama for the weakest economic recovery from a recession since WW2)
08-09 real estate crisis: Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton
Out of control spending: Hussein Obama, Joe Biden
Wasteful fed govt spending: Hussein Obama (Solyndra anyone), Joe Biden
Harmful "woke" culture: Joe Biden
DEI: Joe Biden
Lawlessness: Hussein Obama, Joe Biden


I could go on... but yeah... its the bad Repubs fault lol.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Paying people to sit at home and jerk off while shuffling paperwork

You can't crank one out when working at the office though, amirite?!