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Ramos - 3/3, R, BB, RBI
So naturally Bell takes him out for a pinch runner. 🤣
Who did that? You promote the guys that are performing or lose credibility with players. Again, idc personally where they were drafted or the hype generated by the fans. If they perform, you promote them. If they don't perform you send them down. Senzel was a #2 overall pick but got what he deserved.
Fairchild legs out a RBI, 6-5 Redlegs!
So TJ Hopkins performed all year long in AAA and did so last year in the Reds system, not worried about losing the credibility with him being nothing but a role player on this team? What about his development? No one here is defending Nick Senzel to be clear but replacing him with a player who will have a big game about as much as Senzel has here does not exactly improve this team. Reds continue to rely way too much on minor league journeyman to fill out their roster. Never going to win anything filling your roster with other team's washed up players.
Hopkins is on the Reds. He was the pinch runner. He was called up on 8/5. Ramos on 8/11 so not sure what you're arguing. Reds win the series though!
It's pretty clear, a guy with more potential and upside (Hopkins) on this team has been reduced to nothing more than a role player while the Reds are trotting out a guy (Ramos) who will have a big game once in awhile like Senzel. Does nothing for the development of players like Hopkins who deserves a chance to start. Hopkins came through today as Ramos did so why not give the future more of a shot as you are giving everyone else while we're down Fraley? He might actually be a diamond in the rough, (9th round pick) since you don't care about hyped up prospects, rankings and such.
Bell has his reasons and often I have no idea what they are but in general, I agree with what Krall is doing. He appears to be doing what's best for the organization long term. A team of all 1st rounders looks good on paper but as you said earlier, it also requires filling out a roster. In this case an injured one.
Both of these guys are here now. One is 5 years older and neither have been given much of a shot in MLB so I guess they're both lucky to be here. Fraley is the guy we really need in the OF right now.
I agree with much of this and am overall pleased with Krall's job building up the farm system. The few criticisms I have of him are relying too much on minor league journeymen when not everyone will be Ben Lively. In no way should this season have started with Connor Overton and a scrub like Luke Weaver. Overton was good last year but nothing in his career would indicate it is sustainable and was getting smoked before the injury with a piss poor spring training. Even wasted 2 months on Wil Myers and frankly have no idea about the direction of Hopkins' future on this team not even playing before Ramos was called up.
Completely shifted my views on David Bell with a lot of question marks after this last month with the lineups, overuse of the bullpen early on and seeing players like Senzel get playing time even while Hopkins was called up. Seems like it is more to the story than just chalking it up to the rookie wall players hit and needing to shutdown young pitchers. As far as the bullpen, the Reds have good relievers but are worn out. Something that won't change the longer the season goes. It's like they gave Senzel one last shot to prove himself and they are done with him at the end of the year, non-tender him. Otherwise starting him prior to be optioned makes no sense.
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Bell is the new Captain Hook but my opinion about him hasn't changed much over the course of the year. I suppose I should give him the benefit of the doubt missing arguably his 2 best starters coming into the year plus India and now Fraley. But he hasn't gotten a MLB team to the playoffs yet in a full season. This could be the first though.
I'm thinking Krall is just as surprised as we are that the rebuild has come faster than expected. He's adjusted well on the fly and although I wasn't high on making a big splash at the trade deadline, maybe all the injured guys have a September run in them yet.
I agree on Krall, patience will be best for the long haul in regards to a huge trade though you could make the case even a smaller trade for a serviceable vet could have been added seeing how the season went so you can stick to your plan of resting young starters, skipping starts or even shutting down if necessary. Eventually at some point, they will have to evaluate which prospects to move that don't have a clear path to Cincinnati since there is not room for everyone here and use your assets to fill holes. Enough of this minor league journeymen route. A couple are fine but none should be more than just bench fillers to be called up for injured players. If you're going to build for the future, then do so and let the young players get the at-bats they need to develop. Reds hit the worst case scenario losing Lodolo, Greene, then Cessa & Overton shit the bed and even Ashcraft was injured. He has turned his season around fast, so has Williamson. Without them and Abbott, Krall would deserve the criticism for not having much of a contingency plan with these injuries.
I would also give Bell the benefit of the doubt losing 2 of your best pitchers. Will say I saw the eventual fatigue being a problem by early June based on the usage rates even before Greene went down when the relievers had to pickup the slack. These bullshit lineups are what I don't get and should be questioned on them. I hope we don't see EDLC back at the top of the order again. Even at his ceiling, he is more dangerous in the 3-4 spot with his power potential. Also, I get playing the splits from time to time however damn near platooning some of these guys based on it is not going to help them adjust either. Trust the guys who have gotten the Reds this far which even Fraley & Benson have been subject to this treatment in favor of players like Senzel in the outfield. He definitely overworked the bullpen but what team doesn't face fatigue with the relievers as the season goes on? Krall shares responsibility when you could have had Chapman like Texas got for a steal or even added a late season reliever like the Orioles did with Jacob Webb.
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I think he fills the role I envisioned Friedl having before 2023 as the first guy you call up from AAA in the event of an outfielder being on the IL or the last guy on the bench. Friedl has earned his spot in the lineup and no longer view him as the last man off the bench. A gutsy player that makes pitchers work for it and will hit one out of the park from time to time. I had huge question marks about the organization's outfield depth going into the season but not anymore with Benson, Friedl, Fraley & Steer.
I still say though if you can swing a trade in the offseason for an impact bat, talking like a .300, 30 HR & 100 RBI guy with some of the depth in the minor league season then the outfield would be one place adding to Will Benson, Friedl & Fraley as your 3/4 outfield options who are no doubt quality players but just thinking about places where the Reds could seemingly revamp the lineup. It's not plausible to upgrade the infield with so many options with Marte next season, EDLC, McLain, India for now, CES, Steer who makes the need for an outfielder even less. A trade is inevitable to make room.
Who knows, they might even choose to get a DH to bolster the lineup to keep the outfield situation as is or a catcher while moving Stephenson to DH. Stephenson is a good catcher but there is no need for 3 catchers with Luke Maile playing as well as he is. Also saving Stephenson's knees so he doesn't retire early like Mauer & Posey if the bat ever comes back around will be important. More than one way this could play out. Could even get that front line ace with these talented pitchers to mentor them and become the favorites in the NL next season. Like former GM Dan O'Dowd said during the trade deadline on MLB Network, prospects are there for more than just being apart of the team's future but for you to also go out make the necessary trades with teams to fill voids on the team. For sure this team needs to get a dominant setup man or 2 to stabilize the bullpen before Alexis Diaz. They are only a few pieces away and many of them are in place but patience will be required with them. Something fans don't want to hear and have very little of with this organization after years of losing.
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With Ben Lively on a rehab start (did not go well) but say he is activated soon, Hunter Greene back by the end of the week with a couple of days off we might have seen the last of Luke Weaver in the starting rotation. Maybe entirely in Cincinnati unless he is shifted to the bullpen to eat some innings. I like Brett Kennedy more in that role since he has been solid in Louisville, had a good start vs the Nationals and 2 scoreless innings on Friday night vs the Pirates. Antone is probably back later this week too. The look of this entire bullpen will be different with fresher arms. Just hope the Reds haven't dug themselves too much of a hole and regardless how good they pitch or not going forward, this offense has to be more consistent. I'm not going to put much stock into anything that happened vs a losing team like Pittsburgh. If the hitters can prove to do it more than just a couple of games at a time and thump the Guardians, Blue Jays and do well on the West Coast road trip, I'll be impressed again.
Duarte & Kennedy seem like the most likely ones to get bumped in the bullpen once this team starts getting pitchers back. Reds are not going to ditch Sims or Gibaut. Young and Moll are your only LHPs. I want Law to stay, Buck Farmer has been good but out of gas and has been overall dependable since being recalled from Louisville last year. We'll see what happens with Fernando Cruz, pitched better of late. September roster expansion limits it to 14 pitchers and 28 total players to prevent tanking and nonstop pitching changes. Maybe someone can get placed on the IL for shoulder fatigue to bridge the gap until September 1st. They will have to make decisions on how to use starters like Lively & Weaver because you still have to rest Williamson & Abbott. They likely will have a spot on the roster for that reason in of itself. Ashcraft should be fine, I'd let Lodolo & Greene go deep into games as long as they feel like and Greene should be lighting up the radar gun when he returns with a fresh arm too. If they make it to October, those arms will be fresher than most everyone else. Could make for a difficult out if all goes right.
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It all just gives me a headache right now. There are a lot of variables in play for things to go right and the Reds actually get to October. I still feel like some of these prospects like Blake Dunn, Rece Hinds and maybe even Jacob Hurtubise should be in Louisville right now. Seeing how the Bats have lost 3 outfielders Ramos, Fairchild & Hopkins with the season winding down, looks like it is not going to happen this year. Drew Mount, Nick Martini & Michael Siani are all they have. Barrero has gotten the bulk of his playing time in the infield down there. Seems to be a waste for his future if he is to ever come back to the Reds with the logjam of infielders at his position and the outfield was his best shot to make it in Cincinnati.
He has certainly proved a lot of people wrong this season who were dismissive of him after his slow start, rough spring training and ignored the fact he was a Top 10 prospect for a reason. The kid has talent, a lefty option and deserves to be apart of this rotation still once this team is fully healthy. Greene, Ashcraft, Abbott, Williamson, Lodolo, I'll take that starting 5. Deserved a win for his effort on the mound. I was one of many, not the only one who thought he pitched himself out of being apart of the Reds rotation but here he is.
Why Brandon Williamson is a big part of Reds' plan down the stretch in more ways than one
Cincinnati Reds rookie Brandon Williamson has earned an ongoing role in the team's rotation plans even when Hunter Greene, Nick Lodolo return from IL.
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I think they are keeping Barrero in the infield in AAA to boost his trade value. I know he's been doing well down there, but I think his days as a Red are numbered and he probably is hoping for greener pastures somewhere else.
Not getting a reliable middle reliever at the deadline is going to haunt the reds. I cringe every time Sims is called in!
Sims is on thin ice. I never have cared for pitchers who short arm their throws, control always is a problem and injuries are frequent. Farmer/IG are both iffy as well. Major BP rebuild in the off season.
I don't know, he definitely is better off somewhere else that has the patience to give him another shot in MLB. Seems like the only thing that would boost his value is true versatility all over the field for any team to plug him where they have holes but most importantly his bat. Until that comes around, he is what he is. Everyone knows he is a slick fielding shortstop. Not sure how much can be gained by playing in AAA when a player like him at some point needs to be proving it at the MLB level. He has been fair hitting .274, 10 home runs & 34 RBIs, a notch below what he was doing 2 years ago in Louisville. Reds have team control on him through 2027 or something so they need to be positioning him as if he is going to be apart of this team. Barrero & Senzel likely get another shot here in a couple weeks for September call-ups.
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Farmer, Sims & Gibaut are definitely shaky. Don't necessarily want to see them go but would definitely pull the ole shoulder fatigue IL stint to stash Farmer & Sims away for when Antone comes back, start pushing back some of these starters like Lively & Weaver to give some relief for a couple of innings out of the bullpen when Lodolo & Greene come back. They could be effective weapons in that role to save the rest of the relievers by pitching even less than what they do as starters. Law is holding his own lately, want to keep him in the mix.
Reds' Tejay Antone: Rehab outing scratched
Reds' Tejay Antone: Rehab outing scratched
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Think that's a few days old. Antone threw an inning yesterday, 8/13, and had 2 Ks.Reds' Tejay Antone: Rehab outing scratched
Reds' Tejay Antone: Rehab outing scratched
Is there anything to the part where Bell said "he didn't feel great"? It was a really vague statement and don't know if it was due to discomfort or what.
Haven't seen anything elsewhere that suggests a setback, here's an article out there about him today.
Rehabbing Reds: Checking in on Tejay Antone - Redleg Nation
Cincinnati Reds reliever Tejay Antone has now made six rehab appearances as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery.
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The only thing that is going to boost his trade value is if he learns to hit and do so at the Major League level. He's one of those the prospect ship has sailed on and no one is going to give up value for him. If he was able to be of value to an MLB organization, he wouldn't be in Louisville right now.
There is probably some rule against doing that if you get caught faking injuries and result in fines, loss of draft picks. Reds have until the 23rd to figure out what they are going to do with Antone, Weaver needs to go and Duarte is the one that they ship back and forth to Louisville.
I agree. At the same time though even if the starting rotation was healthy, added a bullpen arm or two, won't change the inconsistencies and growing pains on offense that are as much of the problem right now as anything.
Shoulder fatigue is a real condition MLB teams use to put pitchers on the IL for all the time. The Reds definitely have fatigued arms who are not pitching up to their level due to overuse.
Cincinnati Reds Pitcher Nick Lodolo Advancing Through Minors in Rehab Assignment
Left-handed pitcher Nick Lodolo is moving from rookie ball to Double-A as he continues to work his way back from a stress fracture in his tibia.
There was also some mention of things happening in the game that wasn't condusive to putting him out there. That was rather vague too. so I have to think it was some combination of the two. something like he didn;t feel good going out in that situation or something along those lines.Haven't seen anything elsewhere that suggests a setback, here's an article out there about him today.
Rehabbing Reds: Checking in on Tejay Antone - Redleg Nation
Cincinnati Reds reliever Tejay Antone has now made six rehab appearances as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery.
It's one thing to lose a game, it's a whole other thing when you continuously throw out horseshit lineups playing the lefty vs righty matchups as if Logan Allen was Clayton Kershaw out there tonight because that is exactly who they made him look like tonight. This lineup does not strike fear into any team as bad as they are playing and overmanaging the game has been a problem since day one in 2019 with David Bell.
Jonathan India: 'What pissed me off' about Cincinnati Reds' original injury diagnosis
Jonathan India, a linchpin in the Cincinnati Reds clubhouse and lineup, said "the dumbest thing I could have done" was run as soon as he did in rehab.
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