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I know, I made a typo up late last night saying get, should have read 'hit' I was high on Benson before everyone hopped on the Will Benson train so his success makes me happy. 3-3, 2 RBIs today.
This is fun! The hitting and how they play "add on" reminds me of some of the best Reds teams of all time. So many ways to score and win. One of the most versatile teams this club has had in the time I've been watching.
You're good. I think LeCure said it best. I'm just happy the tables have turned and players get better when they play here in Cincinnati vs. the other way around.
Maybe because he crossed 100 pitches in his first two outings I believe and he had never done that as a pro.
Last 10 days to 2 weeks? Really? They started 7–15. They are 29-20 since. I think that’s a pretty damn good month and a half for a team many projected to lose 100 games.
I got to see EDLC play in Louisville 2 days before he was called up. I think McClain is here to stay. I think that guy probably has the best long term consistent outlook. Hopefully it’s all as a Red. EDLC is inconsistent but makes some jaw dropping plays. So I hope he puts it all together and is the generational player he is capable of being.
Barrero needs to $h1t or get off the pot. He has a half dozen players breathing down his neck or actually performing better or more consistently. At some pint you have to call a spade a spade and cut him loose.
I'm beyond excited how soon the Reds have fought their way back with a tough schedule and no bump in the road to become a .500 team after the 100 loss season. Bell has done a great job managing this team. 9-2 since Elly De La Cruz arrived and the best is yet to come once he settles in and gets comfortable. Not to mention CES will bring some big time power to this lineup. The future is bright and we're here now!
Tip of the hat to Will Benson, the guy kept working and it's paid off. And thanks to Cleveland for giving up on him. Lefty hitting OF of Fraley, Freidl, Benson looks strong.
Saw speculation earlier that the Reds may recall Stoudt to start Mon vs Rockies.
Boys can rake 1-9, you can’t hit, you can’t play. Gives Bell some options , he’s not stuck with dudes like Senzel cause he doesn’t have any other options. Keep Votto the hell away from these guys, he’s stolen money for the better part of a decade and has a losers mentality, don’t need him rubbing off on these young’ns
Well there's always someone out there who has something dumb to say about Joey Votto.
Reds win a game 10-2 old joey goes 4-5 with 3 RBI’s. They lose 2-1 he does 0-4 and hits into two double plays. He was good 10 years ago, sorry to hurt your feelings but it’s time to send him out to pasture, he’s not the future and doesn’t need to be up there taking plate appearances away from these young guys.
You didn't hurt my feelings, you just made stuff up about Votto's career. I feel bad for the people like you who picked out some silly reasons for not enjoying his HOF career. And he's certainly been good much more recently than 10 years ago. Should've won his second MVP in 2017 and hit 36 homers and slugged .563 as a 37-year old two years ago.
I hate Votto's contract but I'd take him over Senzel without question.
Hopefully Senzel is moved in the next yr if anyone will take him. He's still under team control until 25 so I get why they keep him. But I'd rather call up someone and give them AB's and experience.
Hopefully Senzel is moved in the next yr if anyone will take him. He's still under team control until 25 so I get why they keep him. But I'd rather call up someone and give them AB's and experience.
If they do insist on getting Votto back and playing him, I just hope it’s for the best. Maybe some of these young guys will light a fire under him. That’s the last I’ll say about Joey Votto.
Some people would bitch if you gave them a new rope to hang themselves. People will complain that the Reds never pay to keep their players so Cincinnati did with a potential HOFer, one of the greatest Reds of all-time and hate it. Only way to keep top level talent is to pay them what they're worth. Hope they do it again for Elly De La Cruz or whoever than to watch them go become the face of the league for some other team. Votto is not the reason for the Reds woes over the last 10 years. Votto can mentor these young players and be an additional hitting coach which is exactly what he was doing during his time in Louisville earlier with the likes of De La Cruz, Encarnacion-Strand & McLain when they were down there. Implying he has no value to the organization is a baseless argument.
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As far as those who want to trade Jonathan India, better be careful what you wish for. The man is the leader of this team and moving him I feel like would impact the team chemistry in a negative way. While on paper, if you can get a young ace pitcher with team control to fill a void it will look good, can't really measure in terms of wins or losses beforehand what you're losing by moving a player like India. Could end up with some pitcher that either got hurt or a cancer in the locker room like Mat Latos was. Keep the man. Reds have gotten this far because is a healthy and productive player. Don't understand this notion that moving India is going to make this team somehow better.
Yeah, I don’t understand the trade India talk either, hopefully the front office doesn’t feel that way. He’s the heart and soul of the team to me.
I don't think there are any meaningful conversations on India -- at least regarding if he's a Red -- until after the 2024 season. At that point, it should be much more clear than today what the core of the Reds looks like moving forward. India will either have value at two years left to trade, or the Reds should decide to buy him out of his final two arbitration years and extend him beyond that.
I've talked myself into really liking the position versatility of an infield in 2024 that has India, McLain, CES, EDLC and Noelvi Marte. And if Steer is needed at 1B or something like that, he can play there some days. But I think it's time Steer makes the move to LF.
Marte is the wild card because he's not played above AA yet, but he's performed well and has a good track record with his prospect pedigree. I will continue to think he's in the big leagues by this time next season. Therefore...
CES - DH and 1B
McLain - 2B and SS
India - 2B, DH and maybe another position? Will be interesting to follow.
EDLC - SS and 3B, but my guess is he's the everyday SS in 2024 and beyond.
Marte - 3B and DH, maybe SS in a pinch but doubtful if EDLC and McLain are healthy.
Marte's missed time the past few weeks with a hammy. He played a rehab game in the ACL last Thursday I think but hasn't played another since. Don't know if they're bringing him back slowly or if he reinjured it. Hoping he can get back to AA soon then AAA within 3-4 weeks. I know Marte's been mentioned as a SS but he really doesn't have a SS build. Thick upper body, looks all the while like a 3B.
Love position versatility, it's a must to keep your best athletes on the field. If it comes to the point the Reds have to free up an infield spot by trading India, an offseason trade would be better than a mid-season one to not effect team chemistry. Go into ST 2025 knowing who all will be on the team and build from there if this is the organization's plan. The Reds could definitely make that lineup work next season when Marte is up with Steer going to LF. The outfield picture looks so much better now with the emergence of Friedl, Benson plus Fraley still in the mix.
CES getting some outfield experience now is an interesting move recently. Not sure how much to read into it with the plan of him being the future 1B or to give him additional playing time with Votto in the lineup for this season. I recall the '07 Reds briefly used Votto in LF while Hatteberg was still at 1st before Joey eventually took over. Maybe India or Marte could get some starts at 1B if CES plays OF every so often.
If the Reds are set with that infield of McLain, CES, EDLC, Marte, India and Steer if needed, with the multiple infield prospects, would the Reds consider using their depth on a trade package to bring in an ace starter with with team control?
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Pirates calling up their 2021 1st Round pick Henry Davis.
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“If we’ve got a chance to make the playoffs, we try to make the playoffs any way we can. It’s not about getting top farm systems. That’s great, but at the same time, you’re trying to make moves to sustain winning on your big league club and figure out what that is,” Krall said. As to whether or not ownership will increase payroll to accommodate a deadline move, “there’s nothing I see that is going to impede us from making an acquisition,” Krall said.
Krall said that Ashcraft and Lodolo could provide some pitching help, and implied that the Reds might be looking just for rental players for further rotation adds. “Anything else you do, you’re doing it for the short term but you also want to add quality guys if possible. You’d have to find the right match to make that trade,” the GM said.
Reds Open To Buying, Spending At Trade Deadline
While the Reds only moved back to the .500 mark after yesterday's 2-1 victory over the Astros, Cincinnati's 35-35 record …
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“If we’ve got a chance to make the playoffs, we try to make the playoffs any way we can. It’s not about getting top farm systems. That’s great, but at the same time, you’re trying to make moves to sustain winning on your big league club and figure out what that is,” Krall said. As to whether or not ownership will increase payroll to accommodate a deadline move, “there’s nothing I see that is going to impede us from making an acquisition,” Krall said.
Krall said that Ashcraft and Lodolo could provide some pitching help, and implied that the Reds might be looking just for rental players for further rotation adds. “Anything else you do, you’re doing it for the short term but you also want to add quality guys if possible. You’d have to find the right match to make that trade,” the GM said.
The best moves the Reds can make are from within. The way the Reds are playing and gained so much ground they may only need a decent innings eater once the rotation gets healthy. Don't expect them to give up much for one or make any significant additions until the payroll is freed up from Moose, Votto & Griffey. Can't add a whole lot right now unless they parted with top prospects which they are not going to do for a 2-month rental, regardless what they said. Stay the course and the team will be better for it long term.Pirates calling up their 2021 1st Round pick Henry Davis.
Reds Open To Buying, Spending At Trade Deadline
While the Reds only moved back to the .500 mark after yesterday's 2-1 victory over the Astros, Cincinnati's 35-35 record …
“If we’ve got a chance to make the playoffs, we try to make the playoffs any way we can. It’s not about getting top farm systems. That’s great, but at the same time, you’re trying to make moves to sustain winning on your big league club and figure out what that is,” Krall said. As to whether or not ownership will increase payroll to accommodate a deadline move, “there’s nothing I see that is going to impede us from making an acquisition,” Krall said.
Krall said that Ashcraft and Lodolo could provide some pitching help, and implied that the Reds might be looking just for rental players for further rotation adds. “Anything else you do, you’re doing it for the short term but you also want to add quality guys if possible. You’d have to find the right match to make that trade,” the GM said.
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How would you even package a player like Jonathan India? How do trade talks for him even begin? Certainly not a straight up deal India for a young starter like MacKenzie Gore or Michael Kopech. 1 for 1 swaps for proven big leaguers rarely happen. Wouldn't it appear odd if Cincinnati is looking to move one of the team's best players for someone less proven? Can go for bigger than names than those two I mentioned but teams want your top prospects in a package, not Senzel or Newman.
Barring a rainout, Votto at 1B, Steer in LF again, Senzel RF, McLain starting at 2B, De La Cruz SS, India DH & Newman at 3B. A lot of movement in the lineup today.
Still think the Reds should consider a few starts for McLain in CF. Started in CF for 50 games in 2019 at UCLA. Anyway to keep your best players on the field needs to be considered.
Hunter Greene on the IL
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Cincinnati Reds activate Joey Votto, place Hunter Greene on the IL - Redleg Nation
The Cincinnati Reds have activated Joey Votto from the injured list after rehabbing from rotator cuff and biceps surgery in August of 2022.
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