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The only extension he needs is an extended term in the minors. And he is light years from commanding anything remotely related to $$$$$$. He is the sucker bet right now, and given the Reds inability to see this, he will be the starting SS next year for whatever reason. You chuck him now while he still has a little gleam left.
Agree, this proves a case can be made mental adjustments in the psyche of a pitcher when coming out of the bullpen when you are used to preparing for each game as a starter. He was much better when he was starting games.
Sometimes the Reds miss the prospect window to move talent utilizing their assets in a trade while they are still coming up rather than stall out at AAA, get complacent or let them struggle like Barrero or Senzel to the point no other teams will want to trade for them. That ship has sailed on Senzel, Barrero in the right organization has a chance still with barely over 400 career AB's, not even a full season but would be hard pressed to find anyone that realizes that as much as they have strung him along. If Barrero can't crack the roster over Martini, Ramos or Fairchild at this point with his potential then they should do the right thing for Barrero and trade him if you don't view him apart of the long term picture. Senzel just needs to take his ball and go home at the end of the year. Stop pandering to him. I seem to remember a lot of Senzel trade package rumors before his debut with Suarez ahead of him at 3B but those days are long gone.
I don't think you or anyone wants to see this team sink to levels of where they were without India and getting swept at home to the Nationals. I care most about wins opposed to individual stats and they are 6-3 since he return, 15-22 while he was gone. Still out there playing through injuries to take the field. One of my biggest concerns is why this team continues to lose at home and lacks scoring runs in the most favorable hitting ballpark.
I'm not downplaying the loss of India while he was hurt but there were many other factors in play than just his injury that resulted in many of those losses other players injured. Still did not have Greene or Antone back when India first went down and since then only got worse losing Ashcraft, Antone, McLain, Lively, Williamson, Young, Greene again so forth. Reds should be deeper in 2023 having to reach so far down in the organization for prospects that likely would have never been here if it weren't out of desperation due to so many getting hurt. Will also be interesting to get Gutierrez back and give the Reds some innings in middle relief.
I don't get Votto and Friedl adjusting their batting stances in September and frankly all the Bell lineup and pitching experimentation going on with this club. I suppose when you've struggled like Votto maybe it can help, except it hasn't. Friedl has had a fine year so it makes zero sense to me why he's more upright at the plate. Bell obviously wants to keep his bench sharp but at the expense of the rest of the team?
Greene is scheduled to start Tuesday in Cleveland and last game of year vs St Louis
Greene pitching next Sunday (Oct 1st) would put his status in serious jeopardy of pitching in the Wild Card Round which immediately starts on Oct 3rd and is a best of 3. I get you have to make the postseason first for that to matter, just saying the Reds may change plans depending how the rest of these last 3 regular season series goes. Ideally you want Greene & Abbott in a best of 3. Greene potentially starts on short rest in Game 2 on the 4th if they make it to the playoffs.
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You obviously underestimate the Castellinis, LOL. and your assertion is false. Yes, in an ideal world owners go into every season to compete, but reality and payrolls and budgets dictate otherwise. It's why teams build up for post season runs, then have massive selloffs and rebuilds. Unless you are a big market club with big market dollars, you have to concede having losing seasons now and then until the perfect model for sustainability comes around for small market teams to compete year in and year out. The Front Office was prepared for this to be one of those years. Yhey conceded last season as well by selling off half the team for prospects.
Chicago “and” Miami both losing at home last night v two teams that are toast plays right into this miraculous Cincinnati Reds season!
Being just 1 gm out instead of 2 with just 8 games left is huge!
The biggest game of the yr for the Reds is tonight and they dont even play in it!
Pitt v Chi
A Pirates win draws the Reds within a mere 1/2 gm of the final NL playoff spot. A Cubs win and the Reds are in trouble again at 1 1/2 gms out.
What an amazing season!!!
8 straight gms to end the season v teams not only with losing records but that are either eliminated (St Louis) or will be very soon (Pitt and Clev) from any sort of playoff contention.
Conversely, the Cubs fini at Milwaukee and at Atlanta and the Marlins play 3 with the Brewers over the weekend.
Plus the Reds have the tiebreaker over the Cubs!
This baby is probably going down to gm 162!!! My son is getting married that Sun as well!
Reds could get McLain back Tues for last 5 gms!
Im soon to be 57, saw the BRM live in 1975 at RFS and this is the wildest pennant race I can remember the Reds being in!
Being just 1 gm out instead of 2 with just 8 games left is huge!
The biggest game of the yr for the Reds is tonight and they dont even play in it!
Pitt v Chi
A Pirates win draws the Reds within a mere 1/2 gm of the final NL playoff spot. A Cubs win and the Reds are in trouble again at 1 1/2 gms out.
What an amazing season!!!
8 straight gms to end the season v teams not only with losing records but that are either eliminated (St Louis) or will be very soon (Pitt and Clev) from any sort of playoff contention.
Conversely, the Cubs fini at Milwaukee and at Atlanta and the Marlins play 3 with the Brewers over the weekend.
Plus the Reds have the tiebreaker over the Cubs!
This baby is probably going down to gm 162!!! My son is getting married that Sun as well!
Reds could get McLain back Tues for last 5 gms!
Im soon to be 57, saw the BRM live in 1975 at RFS and this is the wildest pennant race I can remember the Reds being in!
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Just a damn shame to waste that effort by Greene the way he was throwing the ball.
You are right as we have seen so many times already with the Reds under Bob Castellini, past ownership too that the Reds will always have rebuilding phases with fire sales. However, the right management will still be able to weather the storm and can stay competitive like the Rays & Guardians do with a lesser payroll than the Reds have in 2023. In the entire Terry Francona era, Cleveland has 2 losing seasons and this year is one of them. Tampa Bay is the blueprint for small market teams to plug and go from within the pipeline and maximize the returns for prospects received in trades when it comes time to trade the stars they can't afford.
With 12 losing seasons, the Castellini's still have to prove themselves and find a sustainable model that isn't so volatile when they go into rebuild mode. Cincinnati must be smart in the free agents they do splurge for. The Moustakas contract bit them in the ass (never was sold on him as a Royal/Brewers always injured) and signing the wrong pitchers like Homer Bailey over Johnny Cueto. Cueto even then was more deserving of that contract despite two no-hitters from Homer. I like the job Nick Krall does at bringing in the most out of the players that the Reds trade, hell look at the Tyler Mahle trade for Steer/CES alone. Would like to see them be more aggressive in the trade market when opportunities present themselves. Can start with the infield depth. Even if the Reds eventually move on from India, EDLC, McLain, Steer, Marte or CES and build around Collier, Jorge & Arroyo you have infielders like Stewart, Acosta, Stafura, Sanchez, Balcazar, Sheng-En Lin & Cabrera who are all infielders that could bring in help on top of anyone else the Reds would acquire if they move on from any of the current infielders.
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Reds need to actually win a postseason round this century. Even then, that should never be the standard and a lot of work to be done.
The Reds Miracle season continues with the Pirates winning in Chicago to help draw the Reds within a 1/2 gm of the Cubs for the final NL WC instead of a game and a half!
That my friends is a gigantic diff with just 8 gms left!
3 teams:
Chicago-
Miami-
Cincy-0.5
Separated by a mere 1/2 a gm; competing for 1 playoff spot. Plus Reds have tiebreaker over Chicago.
Maybe the closest race in baseball history!
That my friends is a gigantic diff with just 8 gms left!
3 teams:
Chicago-
Miami-
Cincy-0.5
Separated by a mere 1/2 a gm; competing for 1 playoff spot. Plus Reds have tiebreaker over Chicago.
Maybe the closest race in baseball history!
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Pirates used to 2 pitchers through 2 innings, both already thrown over 30 pitches each (Jackson 34, Ortiz 38) and will hopefully burn their bullpen for the entire series. 1-0 off an India sac fly driving in EDLC.
Yup and Bell has apparently gone to a 4-man rotation with 3-off days down the stretch.
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Seven more walks by Reds pitching tonight. That's a total of 19 walks on the homestand so far.
7-5 loss to Pittsburgh. Absolutely frustrating. Postseason teams have to beat teams like the Pirates in the last home stand of the year and not have a losing record at home for the season. If the Reds were to take care of business at GABP all year, perhaps they would be where Philadelphia is in the 1st Wild Card Spot. Another bullshit loss. Could not care less about the losses by the D'Backs & Marlins when the Reds are shitting the bed with 3 straight losses, 4 of the last 5.
Considering Chicago was expected to be going through a rebuild, no one expected the Marlins & D'Backs to be in the mix either. It's really hard to buy into the argument we should not have been here this late in the season when absolutely no one was picking those teams either. Beyond frustrating and should not have to be hoping other teams lose because the Reds can't do their job by taking advantage of a cake walk September.
Senzel batting 2nd in LF, Stuart Fairchild in RF and Friedl batting 7th. LFG!!!!
Reds batted around in the 2nd. A lineup you would not expect much from puts up 8 runs through 2 innings. Now if we can get some length from Phillips tonight and the relievers not give up this 8-0 lead.
Pirates doing their part by throwing minor leaguers. Really like Phillips.
Smart ass just making the point that this ownership group shouldn't act like they won anything yet. As good as this season has been for what many anticipated going in, does not guarantee next year will be better. 2010 team was the NL Central Champions and missed altogether finishing under .500 in 2011. Cincinnati needs to find a way to make the postseason this year or it's 2 of 3 years with a winning record but no playoffs.
Just give up and watch something else if you're going to throw the towel in with a week to go. Those other teams would be more than 2 games ahead if they were flawless but they have had inconsistencies of their own all year too. Cincinnati plays better baseball on the road and 2020 Reds got in at the last minute. Still a team shorthanded that swept the Rangers, won series on the road vs the Dodgers, Orioles and sweeping Houston.
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