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Not supposed to say that, EDLC sucks lol Should have been Blake Dunn called up or see if Barrero learned anything while down in Louisville with his defensive versatility, more stolen bases and has power potential. Enough of the .220 singles hitters in a bandbox ballpark.
Well, going into this season, the Reds weren't supposed to be contenders at all. People thought it would be another 100 loss season. The Front Office had no idea they'd be in the position they are and likely had no intentions of contending this year while they were still on the hook for Votto, Moose and Griffey Jr. THey needed to shed those dollars before they could invest in some upgrades. So guys like Lively, Weaver, Cessa, etc. were cheap stop gaps. This season progressing well beyond expectations, and the rise of their top prospects has been a blessing and a positive for the longer term future of the program. They now have some organizational depth in the farm system that will hopefully allow them to either make some solid moves, or once some of these guys become unaffordable, they can be traded off and the next in line who's just as good or better brought up. This year has been smoke and mirrors to get where they are with all the injuries. We can gripe that moves should have been made at the trade deadline or off the waiver wire, but they just weren't prepared to give up certain players just yet.
I really hope that "core strengthening program" Greene went through is something he works hard at in the offseason to prevent whatever hip problems he had this year. He's looked great his last couple of starts.
Disagree, things change and the Reds are tied for the 3rd Wild Card spot with less than 2 weeks to go. Technically still on the hook for those guys as well for nearly $20 million in 2024 so I guess that will be a convenient crutch for the FO to lean on in regards to not spend next season. You were one of them over the offseason that said the Reds should have signed a veteran innings eater and were all for Johnny Cueto. Don't pretend like you never said any of the same things we all have said all year and wag your finger at the rest of us who 'gripe'. Money aside, Reds rookie pitchers have been pushed further than they should have this year and that is due to the injuries from the Big 3, getting what you pay for with the 'cheap stop gaps' and not getting them any help at the deadline. Have to look at it from that standpoint putting too many innings this soon on young pitching that can cause problems down the road. Not everyone expected this year to be a 100 loss season, maybe not a winning season but I said even at the end of last year 2023 does not have to be as bad so long as they promote the top prospects and they did.
Krall sent mixed messages in June we were buyers "had payroll flexibility" and then the good ol Reds way of being cheap settled in once realization set in that the market was too steep. Picking up 2 veteran outfielders late in the game only further complicates which direction this front office was headed with this season. This year with our infielders set, outfield too, would have been as good of a time to go get a controllable starting pitcher with the stockpile of infielders in this organization with all of the openings in the rotation. Payroll is irrelevant when you give top prospects that will be blocked by the ones already up here. How it works in a trade when you give up a load of top prospects, not on the hook for the salary when you are offloading that much talent on another team. If you were assuming the contract in a trade which will never be the Reds approach then that is a different story. Unless they have plans to convert these infielders into pitchers, better start moving some of them. Be honest, where does someone like Edwin Arroyo really fit on this team who could easily be ready to debut in 2024? I'll never understand taking back to back 3B with Collier & Stewart in last year's MLB Draft.
How Cincinnati Reds fans making difference in Nick Krall’s efforts to trade for pitching
The Cincinnati Reds fans have done their part to facilitate trades. They've shown up to games at 3 times the pace of MLB's overall attendance increase.
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Reds plan to buy at the trade deadline, says GM Nick Krall: 'I think we want to do whatever we can'
The upstarts from Cincy might play a surprising role leading up to the trade deadline
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The Reds have more than 5 solid options for the rotation going forward. While I agree an ace would make a significant difference, someone who is apart of the long term future would be getting bumped. If Phillips finishes the season on a strong run, looking like 2 more starts if he goes this weekend vs Pittsburgh then he deserves to factor into the rotation in 2024. Lodolo has more to prove to me than anyone else after his struggles this year on top of being injured so long. Would seriously consider moving both Richardson & Lively to the bullpen as rubber arms that can pick up multiple innings in long relief when a starter fails or a spot start. Kill the opener strategy as it is.Disagree, things change and the Reds are tied for the 3rd Wild Card spot with less than 2 weeks to go. Technically still on the hook for those guys as well for nearly $20 million in 2024 so I guess that will be a convenient crutch for the FO to lean on in regards to not spend next season. You were one of them over the offseason that said the Reds should have signed a veteran innings eater and were all for Johnny Cueto. Don't pretend like you never said any of the same things we all have said all year and wag your finger at the rest of us who 'gripe'. Money aside, Reds rookie pitchers have been pushed further than they should have this year and that is due to the injuries from the Big 3, getting what you pay for with the 'cheap stop gaps' and not getting them any help at the deadline. Have to look at it from that standpoint putting too many innings this soon on young pitching that can cause problems down the road. Not everyone expected this year to be a 100 loss season, maybe not a winning season but I said even at the end of last year 2023 does not have to be as bad so long as they promote the top prospects and they did.
Krall sent mixed messages in June we were buyers "had payroll flexibility" and then the good ol Reds way of being cheap settled in once realization set in that the market was too steep. Picking up 2 veteran outfielders late in the game only further complicates which direction this front office was headed with this season. This year with our infielders set, outfield too, would have been as good of a time to go get a controllable starting pitcher with the stockpile of infielders in this organization with all of the openings in the rotation. Payroll is irrelevant when you give top prospects that will be blocked by the ones already up here. How it works in a trade when you give up a load of top prospects, not on the hook for the salary when you are offloading that much talent on another team. If you were assuming the contract in a trade which will never be the Reds approach then that is a different story. Unless they have plans to convert these infielders into pitchers, better start moving some of them. Be honest, where does someone like Edwin Arroyo really fit on this team who could easily be ready to debut in 2024? I'll never understand taking back to back 3B with Collier & Stewart in last year's MLB Draft.
How Cincinnati Reds fans making difference in Nick Krall’s efforts to trade for pitching
The Cincinnati Reds fans have done their part to facilitate trades. They've shown up to games at 3 times the pace of MLB's overall attendance increase.www.cincinnati.com
Reds plan to buy at the trade deadline, says GM Nick Krall: 'I think we want to do whatever we can'
The upstarts from Cincy might play a surprising role leading up to the trade deadline
Still though at some point the Reds will have to consider which infield prospects currently in the pipeline are realistically going to be apart of the future. By the time players like McLain, India, Marte, Steer, CES, EDLC are in arbitration and would have to consider making a move, it would have been time for multiple of these infielders to already been called up when you could have plugged holes on this entire roster. Reds should seriously go get legitimate setup relievers. Every team always needs help down the stretch in the bullpen and this year's team more than any has been stretched to their limits.
Give Bell credit, his bizarre lineups have worked the last few games. But that stuff can turn on a dime, hopefully it'll hold up for the foreseeable future.
It certainly has been working better lately and hope it will hold up as well. I credit India's presence as much as anything and are playing close to the level they were before he went down since he returned to the lineup.
Yeah, but benching .300 hitters and hitters with power in a must win scenario is probably the craziest thing I've seen in my 70+ years of watching MLB.
Interesting point in regards to moving some of these starters to the bullpen. If injuries continue to persist for pitchers then those are the ones I would focus on taking the load of starting off and put in the bullpen. Reds can hoard prospects all day but eventually will have to move them or risk losing them to the Rule 5 draft. Still say this young pitching staff needs a veteran ace that has been through the fires, won't get rattled in the postseason and by giving up a haul of prospects, the former team is still on the hook for the salary, at least the bulk of it depending on the terms of the trade. You don't have to deplete the farm system when you have as many talented infielders as the Reds do that have no clear path to Cincinnati blocked by our current infielders. Many of them are expendable. Cincinnati will never be big spenders via trade or FA, so people need to get one thing straight. Cincinnati won't be in the mix for Soto, Judge, Ohtani, Verlander so forth. A Lorenzen, Chapman, Renfroe or Duvall is more realistic.
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I believe the front office did what they thought was enough to make the postseason bringing up nearly every prospect they should have except Blake Dunn while thinking long term. They received valuable experience in 2023 to build for a bright future going forward. That said, did they do everything they could to win for this season? Not at all and don't think they changed their course long term whatsoever because of 2023 no matter what was said. It will be disappointing to not have a full deck going if they make the postseason but whoever would have seen this many injuries mounting up? Lodolo will still be very inexperienced with less than an entire years worth of starts under his belt. I don't blame the Reds for looking at the bigger picture long term, that said I do expect results in 2024.Disagree, things change and the Reds are tied for the 3rd Wild Card spot with less than 2 weeks to go. Technically still on the hook for those guys as well for nearly $20 million in 2024 so I guess that will be a convenient crutch for the FO to lean on in regards to not spend next season. You were one of them over the offseason that said the Reds should have signed a veteran innings eater and were all for Johnny Cueto. Don't pretend like you never said any of the same things we all have said all year and wag your finger at the rest of us who 'gripe'. Money aside, Reds rookie pitchers have been pushed further than they should have this year and that is due to the injuries from the Big 3, getting what you pay for with the 'cheap stop gaps' and not getting them any help at the deadline. Have to look at it from that standpoint putting too many innings this soon on young pitching that can cause problems down the road. Not everyone expected this year to be a 100 loss season, maybe not a winning season but I said even at the end of last year 2023 does not have to be as bad so long as they promote the top prospects and they did.
Krall sent mixed messages in June we were buyers "had payroll flexibility" and then the good ol Reds way of being cheap settled in once realization set in that the market was too steep. Picking up 2 veteran outfielders late in the game only further complicates which direction this front office was headed with this season. This year with our infielders set, outfield too, would have been as good of a time to go get a controllable starting pitcher with the stockpile of infielders in this organization with all of the openings in the rotation. Payroll is irrelevant when you give top prospects that will be blocked by the ones already up here. How it works in a trade when you give up a load of top prospects, not on the hook for the salary when you are offloading that much talent on another team. If you were assuming the contract in a trade which will never be the Reds approach then that is a different story. Unless they have plans to convert these infielders into pitchers, better start moving some of them. Be honest, where does someone like Edwin Arroyo really fit on this team who could easily be ready to debut in 2024? I'll never understand taking back to back 3B with Collier & Stewart in last year's MLB Draft.
How Cincinnati Reds fans making difference in Nick Krall’s efforts to trade for pitching
The Cincinnati Reds fans have done their part to facilitate trades. They've shown up to games at 3 times the pace of MLB's overall attendance increase.www.cincinnati.com
Reds plan to buy at the trade deadline, says GM Nick Krall: 'I think we want to do whatever we can'
The upstarts from Cincy might play a surprising role leading up to the trade deadline
Anybody that watched the Reds all year would have seen the injuries 'mounting up' since the beginning of the season.
I actually like the lineup tonight then we get another one of Bell's reliever games with Lively active and hasn't pitched in 5 days.
I'll never understand why you don't just prepare Lively to start to begin with. This is like wiping before you shit. Offense needs to score some damn runs. Hitless so far.
Agree, the expectation was for Lodolo to join Greene in returning before the end of the season and literally the wheels starting to fall off the day after the trade deadline. That hurt this team as much as anything as well as Lively getting hurt in August, then the COVID IL stints, Ashcraft, India, Fraley and McLain all missing significant time. Just can't plan for all of those things happening. Their depth certainly has been tested. Have to be encouraged by the players hanging in this long and the potential of this team in 2024 fully healthy, might be where Milwaukee is currently.
The Twins a few years back passed on drafting Hunter Greene #1, when with Royce Lewis because they did not believe they could afford Greene. I think Barry said it best, you take advantage of any and every opportunity to win in regards to 2023 and opportunities don't come every year when referencing the callups this season.
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10 critical games to go and Bell decides this is a throw away game by leaving Lively out there on fumes! Again…the plan must be to NOT make the playoffs.
Kim Ng out there still trying to improve the Marlins by adding veteran reliever Matt Moore. Not eligible for the postseason but can certainly help these last 2 weeks. Would use him up like a rented mule. Reds letting Jacob Webb slip through the cracks all the way to Baltimore in the waivers was a massive mistake.
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Reds shut out 7-0 and strike out 14 times on a diet of breaking balls with perhaps one of their best hitting lineups.
Marlins won in the bottom of the 9th, Cubs are winning and D-backs are losing.
Marlins won in the bottom of the 9th, Cubs are winning and D-backs are losing.
Heard the comment and that's what pretty much what I was saying above. Postseason opportunities are few and far between in Cincinnati. You don't throw them away and take them for granted.
3 difficult decisions David Bell must make to bolster the Reds' playoff chances
The Cincinnati Reds are still in the hunt for the final NL Wild Card spot. David Bell will have some tough decisions to make down the stretch.
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I didn't read the article but the first thing that needs to happen is EDLC needs to be benched permanently and relegated to a pinch runner role the rest of the year. He is actually embarrassing himself out there at this point. It is a disgrace that he is in the lineup.Heard the comment and that's what pretty much what I was saying above. Postseason opportunities are few and far between in Cincinnati. You don't throw them away and take them for granted.
3 difficult decisions David Bell must make to bolster the Reds' playoff chances
The Cincinnati Reds are still in the hunt for the final NL Wild Card spot. David Bell will have some tough decisions to make down the stretch.
KKKKKKruz must have naked pics of Bell w/ goats. Worst manager and the worst player from the same team....that is a rarity.
He has regressed and isn't even having one good game a week now, not to mention the increased fumbling of routine grounders.
August.... .198 w/ 44 K's in 106 AB's.
Sept.... .161 w/ 21 K's in 56 AB's w/ only 1 EBH. Currently 3 for his last 34.
He should have been sent down a month ago, but he runs fast and Sadak has spasms about him.
He has regressed and isn't even having one good game a week now, not to mention the increased fumbling of routine grounders.
August.... .198 w/ 44 K's in 106 AB's.
Sept.... .161 w/ 21 K's in 56 AB's w/ only 1 EBH. Currently 3 for his last 34.
He should have been sent down a month ago, but he runs fast and Sadak has spasms about him.
Matt McLain Could Return Next Tuesday - MLB News | Fantasy Baseball
Read the recent MLB news and rumors about Matt McLain for fantasy baseball. If all goes well, Cincinnati Reds rookie infielder Matt McLain (oblique) could…
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Reds manager David Bell said McLain (oblique) could be reinstated from the 10-day injured list as soon as next Tuesday, Charlie Goldsmith of The Cincinnati Enquirer reports.
Per MLB.com, McLain is expected to resume taking batting practice Monday, and if all goes well while he spends the upcoming week gradually ramping up the intensity of his baseball activities, he could get the green light to rejoin the Reds for the final week of the regular season. While McLain has been on the shelf since Aug. 28 with a right oblique strain, fellow rookie Noelvi Marte has been able to pick up more work on the left side of the infield.
Damn, thats a lot of words. Not sure how I managed to piss in your Cheerio's. Of course I called for the Reds to make moves. I'm a fan, I want them to do what it takes to contend now. My point was the FO and anyone who talked about the Reds in the media had written them off before the season even started. The fact they are contending is nothing short of a miracle at this point. But to act like they knew they were going to be in this position in December and January when those moves were supposed to be made is asinine. most of the people posting on here had written them off as heading towards another 100 loss season.Disagree, things change and the Reds are tied for the 3rd Wild Card spot with less than 2 weeks to go. Technically still on the hook for those guys as well for nearly $20 million in 2024 so I guess that will be a convenient crutch for the FO to lean on in regards to not spend next season. You were one of them over the offseason that said the Reds should have signed a veteran innings eater and were all for Johnny Cueto. Don't pretend like you never said any of the same things we all have said all year and wag your finger at the rest of us who 'gripe'. Money aside, Reds rookie pitchers have been pushed further than they should have this year and that is due to the injuries from the Big 3, getting what you pay for with the 'cheap stop gaps' and not getting them any help at the deadline. Have to look at it from that standpoint putting too many innings this soon on young pitching that can cause problems down the road. Not everyone expected this year to be a 100 loss season, maybe not a winning season but I said even at the end of last year 2023 does not have to be as bad so long as they promote the top prospects and they did.
Krall sent mixed messages in June we were buyers "had payroll flexibility" and then the good ol Reds way of being cheap settled in once realization set in that the market was too steep. Picking up 2 veteran outfielders late in the game only further complicates which direction this front office was headed with this season. This year with our infielders set, outfield too, would have been as good of a time to go get a controllable starting pitcher with the stockpile of infielders in this organization with all of the openings in the rotation. Payroll is irrelevant when you give top prospects that will be blocked by the ones already up here. How it works in a trade when you give up a load of top prospects, not on the hook for the salary when you are offloading that much talent on another team. If you were assuming the contract in a trade which will never be the Reds approach then that is a different story. Unless they have plans to convert these infielders into pitchers, better start moving some of them. Be honest, where does someone like Edwin Arroyo really fit on this team who could easily be ready to debut in 2024? I'll never understand taking back to back 3B with Collier & Stewart in last year's MLB Draft.
How Cincinnati Reds fans making difference in Nick Krall’s efforts to trade for pitching
The Cincinnati Reds fans have done their part to facilitate trades. They've shown up to games at 3 times the pace of MLB's overall attendance increase.www.cincinnati.com
Reds plan to buy at the trade deadline, says GM Nick Krall: 'I think we want to do whatever we can'
The upstarts from Cincy might play a surprising role leading up to the trade deadline
I would have to think India will be the odd man out in that group, at least this year. They need to keep Steer and move him more permanently to the OF. If they want to keep EDLC long term, they need to extend him now while he's still got some learning to do instead of waiting a couple of years before he figures things out and commands one of those "highest paid player in Baseball" type salaries.
Yeah, If your going to roll with an uncertain lineup of bullpen guys on the mound, you would think you'd want to put your best offensive lineup out there.
And I never said They should throw away the opportunity as you implied. My whole point was that going into this season NO ONE expected them to be in this position, Including the Front Office, which is why they made the cheap moves they did.Heard the comment and that's what pretty much what I was saying above. Postseason opportunities are few and far between in Cincinnati. You don't throw them away and take them for granted.
3 difficult decisions David Bell must make to bolster the Reds' playoff chances
The Cincinnati Reds are still in the hunt for the final NL Wild Card spot. David Bell will have some tough decisions to make down the stretch.
Chance for Greene to prove he's the ace of this staff. Make no mistake, today's game(9/20) is a must win.
Greene has done it so far. 6 scoreless innings, career-high 12 K's so far. He is earning the money today.
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False. You go into each season to compete, and you never know what may happen....slumps, better than expected seasons, injuries, a diamond in the rough, an unexpected star, etc.....it's a 162 game season.
When the front office had the chance to improve, they spit the bit. That, and Bell's horrible player management has led to a woeful second half.
Disagree that India has to be the odd man out. This team is so much better with him as the unquestioned leader on the field. Plus I think of the infielders they have he is one of more likely ones they could afford to keep IMO.
No one ever 'acted' like they expected the Reds to be above .500 back in December and January or ever be big spenders to fix the team in free agency during the offseason. That has never been the Reds way but it does not get the FO off the hook when trades can be made at any point during the season especially from late May-Aug 1st when the Reds started to win and even before once you saw injuries the injuries mounting up and failed stop gaps not panning out. I said before last season ended that 2023 does not have to be another 100 loss season, maybe not a winning season but no where near as rough as 2022 so long as Cincinnati promoted the top prospects. That is exactly what they did and here we are in the hunt for a Wild Card spot with a 1 1/2 weeks to go.
This post you quoted was clearly in reference to comments made by Larkin over the air last night about not taking for granted postseason opportunities in Cincinnati when they present themselves to further the point I made. No one can say the front office did absolutely everything in their power to improve the team through the trade market. That would be asinine and if you want to give them a pass for not expecting to win to lay back at the deadline then so be it. Made one small move for Sam Moll. Hardly counting the Renfroe/Bader moves as none are on the active roster and Renfroe gone completely.
The articles I previously posted even proved their was a shift in how the organization viewed 2023 by June when Krall said they would be 'buyers after winning half way through the year then per usual, got cheap and decide to hoard prospects because the market was too 'steep' once again only getting what you're willing to pay for. Things change as the course of a season goes and the Reds happen to be in a position to make the postseason, you adjust accordingly and had the means to do so with organizational depth. I am not the only here recently to feel as if the Reds decision making whether it be lineups after the lack of trades, shit-canning veteran sluggers etc appear to be throwing it all away lately as if they are over-managing and further complicating things sending mixed signals.
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Sure the team has played better since he was inserted back to the lineup and I don't question his leadership. Offensively though, today went 0-3 2 K's out of the lead off spot. This offense just is not the same and need McLain back in there. Don't know if there will be enough time by then on Tuesday plus he will be playing catch up. Reds are lacking impact .300 hitters that put the ball in play on a consistent basis, so far in a small sample size only Marte hitting above .300.
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Yep, Bell getting too cute and over-managing at its finest here.
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