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Reasons Duke is about to SELF IMPLODE

reignof cats

reignof cats

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It is all about K now and not the players. Espn specials and hype. K is stuck on 997 scrolling across the tv.
His long time assts. are gone and he has to coach. Easy to coach nba superstars not 17-18 yr olds.
duke still can not play defense
DUKE is in a cultural clash. It is used to having upperclassmen lead the way with a few OAD.



Semi Ojeyeue transfers out. Murphy is gone to UF. Almost lost Suluimon. UPPER classmen getting no shine it is all about the OAD's. Over recruiting UP classmen
Nolan ? (had a dad play for UL) was the point guard. K put me me me Rivers in his place and the team self destructed.Losing Hood and Parker can not and will not be replaced by Okafor, Winslow, and Jones.
Okafor getting hyped for the Wooden award. Has he played a good front court yet?
Duke has got a tough slate ahead. The wheels are about to come off but they wont get dropped out of the AP polls. Will they?
EVERYONE that kept telling me that Duke was going to be a great team this year where are you now? I stand be my prediction they will lose 10 games. It just took getting into conference play to expose their weakness.
For 6 years, UK has had problems with OAD. KU has had its share. It was funny to see all of the dukie people tell me it wont happen to them. OAD is great but you need a core of OAD upperclassmen to make it work. GBB
This post was edited on 1/14 8:49 AM by reignof cats
 
From the jump i said Duke was losing 5 in conference and could also lose to St Johns i will stick by that. They will get their swag back at some point but they will not , ever ever , be an elite team . There is one elite team this year and it is UK. UVA is a good but with one future pro ( Anderson ) ,who isn't an elite level pro , you ain't winning a title .

This post was edited on 1/14 11:11 AM by caneintally
 
Who are these long-time assistants? All the ones I've noticed have been his former players, usually guards. Wojo, Capel, Scheyer, James, Amaker, Collins, Dawkins, and Hurley.
 
First of all, replace the teams and player/coach names and this reads like a thread about us on the Louisville board.


Second, if you saw all these signs they were about to SELF IMPLODE, I'd have been more apt to be impressed if you had posted it before they lost two straight.
 
Duke is going through a slump because they haven't bought in defensively. I don't think it's any more complicated than that. They aren't going to "self implode" but I do think a person has to wonder if they're going to ever be a good enough defensive team to make a legitimate run at a title. They've got a guy guarding the ball in Tyus Jones who's built like a 14-year-old girl.

They've given up 177 the last two games. That's untenable.
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Coach K is not Coach Cal. He cannot win with young teams. They play decent on offense, but he can't get them to play defense. He needs to go back to his old formula of getting three to four year guys that he can coach up.
 
Ks offensive and defensive schemes are somewhat complicated and do not translate well to one and done players. It should be no surprise that Duke is struggling early. Most of Cals teams of predominately one and dones struggled early and Cals offensive and defensive schemes are not near as complicated as Ks.
 
Don't count Duke out yet.

Rumor has it that Coach K is tweaking the flop. He has sent his players to stunt school to fake a fall. They should be better than ever in the next few weeks.
 
Not gonna read a whole lot into dUKe losing two in a row. Could have easily been UK.
 
Originally posted by GonzoCat90:
First of all, replace the teams and player/coach names and this reads like a thread about us on the Louisville board.


Second, if you saw all these signs they were about to SELF IMPLODE, I'd have been more apt to be impressed if you had posted it before they lost two straight.
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First of all, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO GO TO A UL BOARD?

Second, Duke gets 2 maybe 3 oad and everyone thinks they are a FF team. I don't. ALL of the above reasons I have stated in earlier threads. Duke got exposed last night and you don't like it. I don't really care or want to impress you but I will tell you this UL will beat Duke Sat. Sextino might beat K 2 more times this year. If you don't agree with any of the above statements I would like to hear your intelligent opinion as why you don't. I will stand by my prediction Duke loses double digits this year. K is practicing right now to try and teach his kids how to play defense against pick in roll. GBB
 
I thought it was more about their poor pick n roll defense, but, sure let's throw out AM sports fodder, too. It's okay to acknowledge that Duke is really good. It's okay for a team to lose sometimes, or even maybe go through a rough 2-3 game stretch.

Okafor has been amazing. If your complaints are about how a friggin' freshman, dominating everyone, hasn't played the most grueling front courts (there's like 3 in all the NCAA... bigs develop slower and big talent goes to the NBA before it fully matures in most cases), then maybe you're nit picking a bit too much. He leads the NCAA in PER, and he's looked good even in Duke's losses. He's legit.

Consider that every player should expect to drop off against better competition (over a decently large sample). Luke Winn at SI.com looked at freshmen big men and their splits by competition (because UT's Turner was crushing weak teams and falling off the map against good ones), and about Okafor concluded: Against good teams, Okafor is still a high-usage, reasonably-efficient star who stays out of foul trouble. About Towns: his performance against top-100 competition is just as strong as it is against weaker teams.

Duke will not lose 10 games this year. They are a legit top 10 team, probably top 5. Their D is not great (67 on KenPom), but not a complete train wreck.

And that's fine because Kentucky is still better.
 
Originally posted by LouievileKat:
Meh. Everyone thought we were imploding before the Tournament run last year.
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Yeah,they may be getting to a level that is more reflective of who they really are as a team but imploding,not so much.Let's not go off the deep end here,if Coach K has a sudden hip injury or back flare up and has to leave the sidelines for a while then we can talk inplosion
 
I have spent some time on the Cardinals board and some of their reasoning has rubbed off on me. Duke is doomed because they lost to Miami by 16, Miami lost to EKU by 28 and EKU lost to UK by 33. It only stands to reason that UK is 77 points better than Duke.
 
Originally posted by reignof cats:
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Duke got exposed last night and you don't like it.

Sextino

I would like to hear your intelligent opinion 1. I hope Duke loses every game they play from now until eternity, except for when they play Louisville or if circumstances somehow create a scenario that makes a win good for Kentucky.

2. See my first sentence in my initial reply.

3. My intelligent opinion is that I'm not breaking down a bunch of your biased claims based on nothing more than a hatred of Duke and two straight losses.

Like I said, if you somehow knew the wheels were about to fall off, you'd have said so before they dropped back to back games. All you're doing now is reveling in their slump, which is fine, but stop all the "I said it all along."
 
Originally posted by reignof cats:
Originally posted by GonzoCat90:
First of all, replace the teams and player/coach names and this reads like a thread about us on the Louisville board.


Second, if you saw all these signs they were about to SELF IMPLODE, I'd have been more apt to be impressed if you had posted it before they lost two straight.
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First of all, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO GO TO A UL BOARD?

Second, Duke gets 2 maybe 3 oad and everyone thinks they are a FF team. I don't. ALL of the above reasons I have stated in earlier threads. Duke got exposed last night and you don't like it. I don't really care or want to impress you but I will tell you this UL will beat Duke Sat. Sextino might beat K 2 more times this year. If you don't agree with any of the above statements I would like to hear your intelligent opinion as why you don't. I will stand by my prediction Duke loses double digits this year. K is practicing right now to try and teach his kids how to play defense against pick in roll. GBB
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Originally posted by GonzoCat90:
First of all, replace the teams and player/coach names and this reads like a thread about us on the Louisville board.


Second, if you saw all these signs they were about to SELF IMPLODE, I'd have been more apt to be impressed if you had posted it before they lost two straight.
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No it doesn't. We haven't lost 2 games.

He might have been referring to the tournament where they typically self implode.
 
Originally posted by Prime MF:
No it doesn't. We haven't lost 2 games.

He might have been referring to the tournament where they typically self implode.
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We haven't lost two games, but even to many of our own fans we might as well have. I'm sure rival boards were celebrating our demise because it took OT to win twice.
 
The reason Duke won't self implode. I wouldn't care if they did fall apart, but don't believe they will.

A coach with close to 1000 wins..

A team full of Hamburger boys..

No one was going to run the table in the ACC.

They will get a big win against UL Saturday...
 
If by "self implode" you mean be overranked all year and lose to high seed in the tourny, I think we have read that book before (Lehigh, Mercer)

Saying "Duke hasn't bought in defensivly" implies that they will. I have read that book before too.

It is a lot easier to get freshman to play offense than it is defense. Coach K has yet to prove that he can get those frosh to buckle down on defense.

Just take a look at their offense and defense rankings from last year. Until Duke learns how to play some defense they will be a good regular season team and flame out in the tourny the same way they have been doing for a few years in a row now.
 
If the refs start calling Okafor for hooking players to get to the rim, then the wheels certainly would fall off for this team.
 
Duke could very well finish this current 7 game stretch with a 1-6 record. I think they will be 2-5 personally, but 3-4 at best.

They could go from undefeated #2 in the country at 14-0 to being 15-6 and unranked within a matter of 3 weeks.
 
Originally posted by ukfan79:



They could go from undefeated #2 in the country at 14-0 to being 15-6 and unranked within a matter of 3 weeks.
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I think we both know that Duke will not drop out of ther rankings. No matter how many games they lose.
 
Gonzo, there's a huge difference in a top 5 team winning in 2 squeakers, then dominating a team by almost 50 and Duke who not only lost both games, but did so in absolute blowouts. I assure you this board would be far worse off had we actually lost those games in the blowout manner which Duke did. I think you are mischaracterizing those situations badly. They cannot be compared.

Duke is not exactly what I thought they were. I have no problem admitting that. All anyone is doing is guessing anyway. Even though we have a few people on this Board who think they are professionals, everyone here is an amatuer. I coach high schoo basketball in Memphis, and I'm still as amateur a the next guy posting.

Dukes problems center around defense. It's as simple as that. But also, If anyone noticed, Duke gave up on that game last night. They quit. If I were a Duke fan, that would bother me more than their defensive issues.

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duke could seriously have an 8-8 record or even a 7-9 record and the AP would not drop them out of the polls. yet they look for a reason to drop UK. If we win this year I am sure there will be more than one article, just like in 2012, about how this years college tourney was boring because the team that won was suppose to win. And I will love reading everyone of those articles because it just adds to the greatness that is UK
 
Originally posted by GonzoCat90:

Originally posted by Prime MF:
No it doesn't. We haven't lost 2 games.

He might have been referring to the tournament where they typically self implode.
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We haven't lost two games, but even to many of our own fans we might as well have. I'm sure rival boards were celebrating our demise because it took OT to win twice.
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Most of us ignore those fans. lol
 
Originally posted by ukfan79:


Duke could very well finish this current 7 game stretch with a 1-6 record. I think they will be 2-5 personally, but 3-4 at best.

They could go from undefeated #2 in the country at 14-0 to being 15-6 and unranked within a matter of 3 weeks.
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This will never happen. They are the only team I've ever seen lose a game and still move up in the rankings. They'll remain ranked, you can count on that.
 
It real simple, Duke has to out score you to beat you. They don't play defense because all they have is one post player surrounded by perimeter guys. There's no rim protection. Like the Cavs in the NBA.
 
Originally posted by UKDUNK:
Coach K is not Coach Cal. He cannot win with young teams. They play decent on offense, but he can't get them to play defense. He needs to go back to his old formula of getting three to four year guys that he can coach up.
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Because he's getting ready to be 68. You think recruits don't see the sand running out of the hour glass?
 
Originally posted by RDCat07:
duke could seriously have an 8-8 record or even a 7-9 record and the AP would not drop them out of the polls. yet they look for a reason to drop UK. If we win this year I am sure there will be more than one article, just like in 2012, about how this years college tourney was boring because the team that won was suppose to win. And I will love reading everyone of those articles because it just adds to the greatness that is UK
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I hope there are a 1,000,000 of those articles
 
Back to back OT wins, or even OT losses if it came to that, are better than back to back blowouts.

Duke is better than UK at one thing--the January slump.
 
Dukes cup cake schedule will never be mentioned by the media... They beat Michigan St, which we all know isn't as good this year... They've beaten Wisconsin.... The rest of their games were hyped....
 
Pick in roll?

Hope he doesn't use the defense as an escape goat and realizes they need just to play more fast paste.
 
Originally posted by C1180:

Ks offensive and defensive schemes are somewhat complicated and do not translate well to one and done players. It should be no surprise that Duke is struggling early. Most of Cals teams of predominately one and dones struggled early and Cals offensive and defensive schemes are not near as complicated as Ks.
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I'm not saying you are wrong, but I just happened to be reading the Duke board and one of their posters said that for the past 12 years K's offense has been "super simple".
 
Originally posted by GonzoCat90:


Originally posted by Prime MF:

No it doesn't. We haven't lost 2 games.

He might have been referring to the tournament where they typically self implode.
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We haven't lost two games, but even to many of our own fans we might as well have. I'm sure rival boards were celebrating our demise because it took OT to win twice.
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And nothing could be more pathetic on their part if that's what they have to find solace in.
 
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