UK vs duke
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I can also. I ask you what the portal guys ranked, not a ACC guy. WHAT WAS HIS RANKING ?
If Brown makes the acc defensive team of the year, I would trust he is a good defender. I would add that I watched him in few games and he stood out to me as a better player than what Duke had last year in Mitchell. Did you watch any of Brown games while at Cuse?
Of course, feel free to have your own opinion and disagree. What” s more important is that I trust we will both cheer for Kentucky in that game and next season !
Tubby and Ollie? Uh, that is not fair to OTS.
Pitino would not have won the '98 title with that team, no shot. Tubby also had some very very good seasons after '98. He just fell short of another FF. Ollie had one good year/run on the back of one player for most part. Tubby was 87-15 in 3 seasons towards the middle/back end of tenure.
Honestly, all the national site rankings are kind of a joke. Here is the list from around mid-May of the national site rankings (through 178 players):
CBS #1: Johnell Davis (PER Rank: 37; ORtg: 63; DRtg: 78)
*Davis ranks #55 averaging all his stat categories.
The Athletic #1: Tucker DeVries (PER Rank 27; ORtg: 91; DRtg: 27)
*DeVries ranks #33 averaging all his stat categories.
On3 #1: Oumar Ballo (PER Rank 10; ORtg: 25; DRtg: 4)
*Ballo ranks #3 averaging all his stat categories.
247sports.com #1: Kadary Richmond (PER Rank 32; ORtg: 126; DRtg: 24)
*Richmond ranks #58 averaging all his stat categories.
Rivals #1: PJ Haggerty (PER Rank 9; ORtg 54; DRtg 53)
*Haggerty ranks #23 averaging all his stat categories.
On3 got the closest, followed by Rivals. The rest were way off, in my opinion, based on their statistics. I think that these portal rankings should be a lot easier to gauge because we actually have college statistics to work from. High school rankings are, in some ways, a shot in the dark.
The #1 player in the portal averaging PER, ORtg, and DRtg and sorting by average was:
JT Toppin (PER Rank 6; ORtg 5; DRtg 6)
PER #1: Vladislav Goldin 31.3 (to Michigan)
ORtg #1: Jayson Kent 139.4 (to Texas)
DRtg #1: Justin Abson 89.5 (to Georgia)
I didn't really mean that to put Ollie and Tubby on the same level. Of course Tubby is a fat better coach than Ollie.
But it does seem that Tubby was never able to recreate the success that Pitino, very much handed to him. He little by little delivered less and less. Still a good coach, but maybe not to the level that Kentucky expects to see.
Roach is a big loss for Duke. He always seemed to be in the right place last season making clutch shots. I am sure Cooper Flagg will play well, but he's going to have a target on his back from day one. He's good, but not Barrett or Zion in college good.
Duke will be a tough game regardless. They always seem to play us tough, even in the down years
Duke will be a tough game regardless. They always seem to play us tough, even in the down years
CBS portal rankings listed did NOT have any Duke transfer in the top 80. UK had :
Lamont Butler #58
Brandon Garrison #54
Otega Oweh #44
Andrew Carr #43
Jaxson Robinson #31
So the David Cobb at CBS doesn't think much of Duke's signings. But yes, we both we be cheering on our Cats next year. I am very excited about this upcoming team. Unlike one we have ever assembled at UK.
Duke has the tallest team in their history . The issue will be can they stop guards from getting in the paint I’ll say no . Now sure what the coach was thinking having no guards under 6.5
The Duke game will be huge, of course, but I think Gonzaga will be pretty big, too. Pope is 1-9 and KY is 1-2, having lost two (2) straight in the past two (2) seasons (we won 80-72 on 11/27/2002). It would be tremendous to win both of these games. Hopefully, we can do it. GO CATS !!!
Last time I looked, and it has been a few weeks, Mason Gillis was on there at 71 for Duke.
I don't know if it's the same guy, but even those guys who were on the board are in different spots now (I last checked on May 17).
June 1:
- Johnell Davis
- Kadary Richmond (May 17: #5)
- Tucker DeVries (May 17: #2)
- AJ Storr
- Oumar Ballo (May 17: #9)
- Norchad Omier (May 17: #3)
- Mark Mitchell
- Jeremy Roach (May 17: #6)
- Great Osobor (May 17: #43)
- Chaz Lanier (May 17: #75)
Adou Thiero was #77, six spots below Gillis, and is now #76, with Gillis not in the rankings. Brandon Garrison was #25, now he's #54.
These dudes are doing no work. They are just rearranging guys all around and doing enough to produce clicks.
You know it's actually going to be nice having the older players that take offense to a flashy new Young freshman talking smack to them. We know all too well what that Target is like on a freshman's back and these older players constantly prove they're able to stifle an arrogant freshman with defense and strength
Who, on our team will be getting 30 mpg? Seriously, who is that stand out player that must stay on the floor for 30 minutes for us. I like our team but I cant get a handle on who will stand out and who will be sitting down.
It’s funny, everyone was saying that with the portal, we would know what we were getting instead of relying on Freshmen unknowns, yet here we are still debating who are the better portal players and who will start for us and who will start for other teams.
We are still debating who will make an impact and who will not.
We are still looking at rankings and such just like we did with the HS guys.
And the funny thing is, there is less consensus about who the best portal guys are than there is about who the best HS guys are.
I just find that to be interesting and kind of funny given that a lot of us thought that by going shopping in the portal we would have less uncertainty about our team going into the season than we did with a bunch of unproven Freshmen, yet here we are still trying to figure out if the team is going to be good or not.
We are still debating who will make an impact and who will not.
We are still looking at rankings and such just like we did with the HS guys.
And the funny thing is, there is less consensus about who the best portal guys are than there is about who the best HS guys are.
I just find that to be interesting and kind of funny given that a lot of us thought that by going shopping in the portal we would have less uncertainty about our team going into the season than we did with a bunch of unproven Freshmen, yet here we are still trying to figure out if the team is going to be good or not.
But kentucky is an entirely different situation. I agree. I have no clue who is getting minutes.. but all of these guys are about the same in terms of college talent level and experience and age. They also all came here knowing the situation and who was here.
Duke is a little different. You have 5 top20 freshman who have NBA aspirations. They are expecting minutes. And they are likely expecting the transfer-ins to be on the bench. Some of these guys committed to Duke nearly a year ago.
My point was that Dukes new transfers are not only ranked lower than ours but they have some serious recruits they are competing with. I have to imagine they know that, and will likely be playing reserve roles. If not, there's a problem.
I'm positively confident that:
Amari Williams, Otega Oweh, and Lamont Butler will be stud defenders
Koby Brea will hit a lot of 3s
Kerr Kriisa will be a hated man
Trent Noah and Travis Perry will be loved
I'm negatively confident that:
Jaxson Robinson won't be what everyone thinks and wants him to be
My question marks are:
Andrew Carr
Brandon Garrison
Ansley Almonor
Flagg will be the most hateable Duke player since Grayson Allen. Dude has been coached by his mom since he was in 2nd grade. White kid from the northeast.
Much, much better than Grayson Allen. Grayson Allen is ,and will always be, the award winning, punk m'fer.
I worry that the refs will be so pro dUKe how we play wont matter. I hope Pope presses them so much that Flagg passes out. That in its self would make my day.
Prior to Duke losing a bunch of players to the portal i absolutely expected another 20-30 point loss like against the Zion team. I don’t think it’ll be that bad now but I still expect a 10-15 point loss. Flagg will have a field day as we have nobody to guard him.
If the team comes together, it will be a change being the hunter, instead of the hunted. Veteran squads have a higher ceiling in this era if they can get on a roll.
That's the part many other people never seemed to see or get, the body language of us being the hunted, and looking scared. They looked that way because they were they were scared of making a mistake and getting pulled and scared because they didn't have exact instructions and were just told to go out and make a play or stop that guy, as a single unit, not a coordinated team effort. An example of a coordinated effort would be the double screen combined w a trailer that Oakland used over and over and over. Good point
I think Flagg is overrated. He struggled against bigger guys that matched him athletically. That didn't happen much in HS so he killed against smaller or slower kids.
Will you give me say, 12 points and the Cats ? You say 10-15 loss, so 12.5 would be in the middle. Name the amount.
We know in terms of these portal guys can handle college and their game translates. With high schoolers, it was a guessing game on who would fight through contact and be mentally able to play against competition and who would wither.
True.
But we are still wondering whether Williams can make the step up from the CAA and whether Almonor can handle going from a low level league to the big leagues. We are wondering if Butler’s production improves with a different system. We are hoping Kriisa plays better with more talent around him. We are hoping Oweh and Garrison continue on their current trajectory. We are wondering whether Carr can step up in a more physical league than the ACC.
And that’s just our players. Lots of other teams are wondering whether their portal guys will fit.
Is there a consensus best portal player? Osobor got paid 2 million and we don’t know if he will be Big Ten ready for Washington or not.
There’s a little more certainty, but it’s still a guessing game.
Reeves was one of the best transfers we ever had, but it took a second year for him to find some consistency.
Will our guys be firing on all cylinders this season?
The transition should be easier than with Freshmen, but there is still some uncertainty with the transition.
Change is still hard and unpredictable.
Another interesting game on our schedule is OH St on December 21st. Will be going against two former Wildcats in Aaron Bradshaw and Associate Head Coach Joel Justice.
Well if you watched the video above you can see the Boozer kid guarding him without any help and just kind of routine. I always that Flagg was going to be unreal but he has weakness in his game. We will see. He is not John Wall speed. He is not Anthony Davis. He is not a great shooter.
I completely agree with what you are saying, but Duke was targeting a much different type of portal player than we were. They went after solid role players to supplement their other players. We needed a whole team.
Duke a very interesting game from the standpoint of how good will our older, stronger and very experienced players look against mostly younger highly ranked hot shots? And, how will three of their players look against our 3 of the very best defenders in college basketball? Williams, Garrison, Oweh and Butler will make such a huge difference in a lot of games because of their top of the line skill on defense. And with a plethora of shooters and scorers with guys like Brea, Krissa, Robinson, Carr, Alomor, Chandler, Perry and Noah, being good on both ends of the floor looks like a given.
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You are stupid and a troll. Go away. 34 point win by Duke ? If I thought you was serious in the least, I would ask you how much you wanted to lose, but we both know why you posted and I will not take the bait. Run along boy, grown folks are trying to talk.
