Quit Crying about Refs!!!

[catsfan3383]

Fans that blame the officials after every game are awful. I don’t really remember anything crazy awful from today’s game. A few missed calls, of course, but we can’t stop anybody on defense right now.

I mainly agree with the OP. Having said that, I thought the Georgia game was terribly officiated and directly attribute it to that loss.

This^^^. We absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt did NOT lose yesterday because of officiating. Posters who whine about number of ft’s and “corrupt” refs every single game just have too blue glasses on. Why on earth would the “SEC office” or certain referees “want” UK to lose a home game to ‘Bama? Why? It makes zero sense for our section of the fanbase that have all these “conspiracy theories “ that think that’s why we “always get screwed” by the refs.
Were there a couple bad calls on UK, of course, there always are - and there were a couple bad calls against Bama.
It’s been stated enough in this thread, but I’ll reiterate - we foul this year - a LOT - because we’re not athletically matched with most SEC schools and we’re slow. When you’re trying to guard a quicker, more athletic athlete, you get out of position easily and in trying to recover, you foul.

We didn’t play near our A game yesterday, had two guys playing really banged up, and STILL took one of the top 5 teams in the country down to the wire. We have a wonderful, refreshing coach whose entire heart and soul is invested in our program. The future is extremely bright! I get being disappointed on a tough loss, but get over it and move on. Quit whining about “corrupt refs” every - single - frickin - game when we lose.

 

[JRCAT14]

This^^^. We absolutely, positively, without a shadow of a doubt did NOT lose yesterday because of officiating. Posters who whine about number of ft’s and “corrupt” refs every single game just have too blue glasses on. Why on earth would the “SEC office” or certain referees “want” UK to lose a home game to ‘Bama? Why? It makes zero sense for our section of the fanbase that have all these “conspiracy theories “ that think that’s why we “always get screwed” by the refs.
Were there a couple bad calls on UK, of course, there always are - and there were a couple bad calls against Bama.
It’s been stated enough in this thread, but I’ll reiterate - we foul this year - a LOT - because we’re not athletically matched with most SEC schools and we’re slow. When you’re trying to guard a quicker, more athletic athlete, you get out of position easily and in trying to recover, you foul.

We didn’t play near our A game yesterday, had two guys playing really banged up, and STILL took one of the top 5 teams in the country down to the wire. We have a wonderful, refreshing coach whose entire heart and soul is invested in our program. The future is extremely bright! I get being disappointed on a tough loss, but get over it and move on. Quit whining about “corrupt refs” every - single - frickin - game when we lose.

Even a false statement can be reiterated. Doesn't make it so. Two things: (1) I disagree that "athleticism" is the be all end all of this issue. I agree that we are not an elite athletic shot blocking team, but that is not all there is to playing defense. What type of "athlete" is needed to defend Grant Nelson when he drives and takes his off hand forearm and pushes the defender in the chest to not only score, but get a foul called on the defender? Happened more than once. What kind of "athleticism" is needed when a three-point shooter flops without being touched and gets the official to call a foul and be rewarded three free throws?

(2) You can have your opinion and I can have mine, but this overstated "lack of athleticism" is nonsense to me and the stats back my opinion up more than those who say otherwise. Your statement that "we foul this year-a LOT" is based on what?
Certainly not actual statistics. UK opponents have shot 329 foul shots for the year. Auburn and Alabama who I would venture to guess that you and most others would say are the most athletic teams in the SEC, have allowed their opponents to shoot 352 and 374 freethrows this season. Please explain to me how these two "super athletic" teams have sent their opponents to the foul line more than UK if your reasoning is correct.

One thing CP and Cal have in common is stressing playing defense without fouling. IMO this has hurt us the last 5-7 years in the SEC where these people think basketball is indoor football played with a round ball. I would not mind if you called me a "conspiracy theorist" since they are true more often than not. I do believe that UK gets the short end of the stick when it comes to officiating in the SEC. One would think that it would be the opposite since UK has carried the torch for SEC basketball for the entirety of basketball history. Maybe the unequaled dominance has created resentment or jealousy or the SEC thinks UK will always be UK so let's worry more about making the other teams resume better.
Again, this paragraph is thoughts and/or opinion, but the one before with actual statistics is factual. We are both entitled to different opinions, but the facts should be the same.

BTW, I haven't posted any previous comments about the officiating yesterday.

 

[Edgarman]

It’s not the number of fouls, but when they were called. The 10-2 number in the first few minutes changed the complexity of our team. Yes, the refs leveled them out somewhat later, but the damage was done.
Coach has made multiple comments that we have to learn to play how the refs are calling the game, but a foul should consistently be a foul.
Finally, how many SEC games do you see the home teams called for more fouls than the visiting team?

GO CATS

We have a very slow defense. When you play teams with some quickness and they go to the rim about every trip down the court, fouls will pile up. With as much tape that all teams have, it is now how every team we play will attack us. If a team regardless if it is in Rupp or their place, driving to ball to the rack is going to be their game plan. Wait until Auburn comes to Rupp, they will collect fouls with their quickness. A slow defense ends up reaching or grabbing, thus a foulis called. Then our fans will scream, it is the crooked refs. Pope is going to have to play little match up zone to slow the drives to the rim. Going forward we need to recruit quicker kids with more length.
With what I just wrote, I am a strong liver in Pope, especially the team he assembled for this year in a very very short timeframe. He has done an A+ jobs so far this year. We are blessed to have him.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

8/9 fouls in the first 7 or so minutes of the second half is beyond absurd IMO., especially at home. Alabama was in the bonus from that point forward. Then, they started calling some phantom calls on Alabama to “even” the fouls up some. Lulz it’s wild.

 

[crestcat]

A conspiracy theorist would probably suggest one or more fella in a striped shirt had bet on Bama to cover.

 

[5percentFringe]

I was at the game. The first half, we absolutely had a favorable whistle. I wouldnt go as far as to say friendly, but definitely favorable. In the second half, everything changed, Alabama was getting the "friendly" whistle. We would drive, with contact, no whistle; Alabama would drive and we would get called repeatedly. There were also travelling calls that weren't called consistently.

I know we have to play well enough to beat the refs, but to insinuate that the way they call they game does not have an impact is naive. It can effect the way we play defense and take us out of our offensive flow. I'm looking forward to the day AI takes over officiating and we can be rid of these incompetent/corrupt referees.

 

[5percentFringe]

We have a very slow defense. When you play teams with some quickness and they go to the rim about every trip down the court, fouls will pile up. With as much tape that all teams have, it is now how every team we play will attack us. If a team regardless if it is in Rupp or their place, driving to ball to the rack is going to be their game plan. Wait until Auburn comes to Rupp, they will collect fouls with their quickness. A slow defense ends up reaching or grabbing, thus a foulis called. Then our fans will scream, it is the crooked refs. Pope is going to have to play little match up zone to slow the drives to the rim. Going forward we need to recruit quicker kids with more length.
With what I just wrote, I am a strong liver in Pope, especially the team he assembled for this year in a very very short timeframe. He has done an A+ jobs so far this year. We are blessed to have him.

I'd to see more full court press and trapping. If we cant play half court defense very well and get into foul trouble, then change it up. The unforgettables were not quick of foot, but played tenacious trapping defense. Why not try it more, what could it hurt.

 

[catsfan3383]

8/9 fouls in the first 7 or so minutes of the second half is beyond absurd IMO., especially at home. Alabama was in the bonus from that point forward. Then, they started calling some phantom calls on Alabama to “even” the fouls up some. Lulz it’s wild.

It put us in a very difficult position I agree, but go back and watch the replay. I did this morning and every single one of our first 7 fouls were absolutely fouls. There were even two that are called 99% of the time that were NOT called on us in that 1st 6 minutes. Oweh’s 1st basket in the second half is almost always called a charge as he put his shoulder into the defender quite a bit. The defender was very close to the block/charge circle so it could’ve went either way. Sears drove into the lane and Butler fouled him as he went up and made a 12’ jumper. It wasn’t called.

We were out of position on about all 7 of these fouls and were reaching/grabbing to recover. Granted, there were 2, maybe 3 fouls that could’ve been called on ‘Bama that weren’t, so it could’ve been 7-3 instead of 7-1 - but our fouls were fouls…..all of them.

Refs and UK getting screwed is always a topic for debate after a loss, especially when it’s down to the last few minutes and it’s a close game and like JRCAT14 said in his response to my earlier post, we all have a right to our opinion and that’s certainly correct. My opinion just happens to be we don’t “get screwed” nearly as often as a lot of our fans think (Georgia game was the exception - we were screwed in that game).

 

[Cowtown Cat]

It put us in a very difficult position I agree, but go back and watch the replay. I did this morning and every single one of our first 7 fouls were absolutely fouls. There were even two that are called 99% of the time that were NOT called on us in that 1st 6 minutes. Oweh’s 1st basket in the second half is almost always called a charge as he put his shoulder into the defender quite a bit. The defender was very close to the block/charge circle so it could’ve went either way. Sears drove into the lane and Butler fouled him as he went up and made a 12’ jumper. It wasn’t called.

We were out of position on about all 7 of these fouls and were reaching/grabbing to recover. Granted, there were 2, maybe 3 fouls that could’ve been called on ‘Bama that weren’t, so it could’ve been 7-3 instead of 7-1 - but our fouls were fouls…..all of them.

Refs and UK getting screwed is always a topic for debate after a loss, especially when it’s down to the last few minutes and it’s a close game and like JRCAT14 said in his response to my earlier post, we all have a right to our opinion and that’s certainly correct. My opinion just happens to be we don’t “get screwed” nearly as often as a lot of our fans think (Georgia game was the exception - we were screwed in that game).

I would need to go back and watch again. I missed bits and pieces of the game. I do know that Williams was clobbered 2/3 times in a row in first half and no whistle. Also, that block call on us in second half when dude ran over our defender by lowering his shoulder, was atrocious. Not to mention, that BS foul on that 3. That was a KILLER! We had no shot after that foul on the 3. Weak ass shit.

 

[Skyguyb27]

He’s right though. It’s ok to call out the officials from time to time. But you can set your watch by a lot of our fans. We lose- we cry.

But it’s just how people are. Whether you’re at work, at home, or watching a ballgame, doesn’t matter. Primarily there are two types of people. Those who take ownership and those who make excuses. Which one of these types of people sound more pathetic?

I think there has been a lot things the team
Could have done differently in the last few games. I truely believe had they done a few things differently we would have won. However, the trend for referees this year is going g to get someone hurt. The amount of shoving down, holding, phantom calls etc is pure bs. The fact the coach and a player have publicly called it out is a key sign how bs it Is. could they have won reguardless, yeah but it isn’t the job of a ref to make a game last 2.5 hr to compensate for small dick syndrome or ensure Vegas doesn’t lose money.

Refs 💯 affected the flow of the game and the outcome and that should never ever happen.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Is that a small amount? Or does he maybe do a lot more with his life than spend hours a day on here

Well, you're not even a UK fan and you've invest 500 posts per year to troll this message board.

What does that say about you, sir?

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

I'm noticing a bunch of my least favorite posters are saying the calls weren't bad.

Hilarious. There's a reason I can't stand many of these guys. Many of them loved Cal as well.

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Half this board is nothing but crying about refs. Are there bad calls? Sure, but most fouls are because the defense is atrocious and can’t stay in front of their man and try to recover late. It’s weak to blame refs for a loss….blame not coming up with two rebounds when it was tied then a one possession game that Bama got 6 second chance points on

Sorry it's just not normal to play similar teams, outside mostly and have them shoot 14 more FTs in your own building, Kansas would shit themselves.

 

[AshWilliams]

I'm noticing a bunch of my least favorite posters are saying the calls weren't bad.

Hilarious. There's a reason I can't stand many of these guys. Many of them loved Cal as well.

The correlation is uncanny.

 

[Cowtown Cat]

Nothing to see here.

 

[KentuckyMildCats]

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Do they talk about the Illinois game ? Jakucionis got screwed by the refs

 

[KAB Cats]

There are a few views on officiating...

From spectator standpoint, the refs are out of control. Way too many reviews. Calls are inconsistent.

From a stylistic standpoint, our FT disparity can be attribute as much to our perimeter style as anything else. By nature, we are going to get less fouls, and a team going at the basket is going to get more.

From a athlete / team standpoint, I think there is too much looking at the refs and acting like everything is a bad call. I don't think it's necessarily a productive mindset for an athlete to believe the game is unfair. You have to take responsibility for your actions. Turning to refs and yelling "ME?!?!?" typically is never going to go your way. I think the team needs to take more ownership of that.

 

[crestcat]

There are a few views on officiating...

From spectator standpoint, the refs are out of control. Way too many reviews. Calls are inconsistent.

From a stylistic standpoint, our FT disparity can be attribute as much to our perimeter style as anything else. By nature, we are going to get less fouls, and a team going at the basket is going to get more.

From a athlete / team standpoint, I think there is too much looking at the refs and acting like everything is a bad call. I don't think it's necessarily a productive mindset for an athlete to believe the game is unfair. You have to take responsibility for your actions. Turning to refs and yelling "ME?!?!?" typically is never going to go your way. I think the team needs to take more ownership of that.

I think there is the reaction to the call (almost always the incredulous) and the knowing whether or not you fouled. If you are in the game you know if it is being called the same on both ends.

 

[KAB Cats]

I think there is the reaction to the call (almost always the incredulous) and the knowing whether or not you fouled. If you are in the game you know if it is being called the same on both ends.

That very well might be true but sometimes a ref sees contact or what looks like contact, blows the whistle and if a player turns to the ref and yells something… ref almost always blows whistle on that player. As opposed to turning around, being nonchalant and acting like the other guy is guilty

 

[SemperFiCat]

It's the consistency. Kentucky was called for seven fouls in 5:30 min. Yes, most of those are on our weak Def, but some of them are ticky tack. If you're going to call ticky tacks, fine. But it has to be called both ways. Just like a baseball strike zone. Both sides of this debate are correct. Our Def was bad, and we brought it on ourselves. BUT, that doesn't mean there isn't a discrepancy on how fouls are being called on both ends. Both of these can be true, and both need to be fixed.