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He was just ahead of his time, he probably cheated less than 90% of the schools do today
In the same way Charles Ponzi was ahead of his time.

What is being done a half century later does not justify intentionally cheating a half century ago that soiled the reputation of the University and nearly cost us our athletics department.

Because of Curci, UK was placed on NCAA probation that set us up as being eligible for the "Death Penalty" that nearly came to fruition after Mumme and Bassett cheated and got caught. For those of you who hate Mitch Barnhart, our current athletics director was hired by President Todd after the administration learned that the department had continued to harbor cheating under CM Newton and Larry Ivy. Barnhart was given the job of cleaning out the athletics department of leakers, gamblers, and cheating boosters, for which Barnhart is still hated by some of those same people he was hired to clean out at the time. Sandy Bell was hired specifically to force compliance on the department and back up Barnhart. To some extent, Barnhart civered for Bell's work and took hits from boosters in order to protect her. This is why the Board of Trustees has continued to support Barnhart while some boosters and their allies continue to attack Barnhart dishonestly and relentlessly, even today. I think it is important to discuss and understand all the ramifications before dismissing the amount of damage Curci and Mumme did at UK. We skirted disaster and barely escaped with a functioning athletics department. Seriously.
 
In the same way Charles Ponzi was ahead of his time.

What is being done a half century later does not justify intentionally cheating a half century ago that soiled the reputation of the University and nearly cost us our athletics department.

Because of Curci, UK was placed on NCAA probation that set us up as being eligible for the "Death Penalty" that nearly came to fruition after Mumme and Bassett cheated and got caught. For those of you who hate Mitch Barnhart, our current athletics director was hired by President Todd after the administration learned that the department had continued to harbor cheating under CM Newton and Larry Ivy. Barnhart was given the job of cleaning out the athletics department of leakers, gamblers, and cheating boosters, for which Barnhart is still hated by some of those same people he was hired to clean out at the time. Sandy Bell was hired specifically to force compliance on the department and back up Barnhart. To some extent, Barnhart civered for Bell's work and took hits from boosters in order to protect her. This is why the Board of Trustees has continued to support Barnhart while some boosters and their allies continue to attack Barnhart dishonestly and relentlessly, even today. I think it is important to discuss and understand all the ramifications before dismissing the amount of damage Curci and Mumme did at UK. We skirted disaster and barely escaped with a functioning athletics department. Seriously.

I agree with everything you say but it doesn’t excuse Barnhart from his mistakes which have been pretty big.

We are very very lucky Cal did the honorable thing and left without making it messy.
 
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In the same way Charles Ponzi was ahead of his time.

What is being done a half century later does not justify intentionally cheating a half century ago that soiled the reputation of the University and nearly cost us our athletics department.

Because of Curci, UK was placed on NCAA probation that set us up as being eligible for the "Death Penalty" that nearly came to fruition after Mumme and Bassett cheated and got caught. For those of you who hate Mitch Barnhart, our current athletics director was hired by President Todd after the administration learned that the department had continued to harbor cheating under CM Newton and Larry Ivy. Barnhart was given the job of cleaning out the athletics department of leakers, gamblers, and cheating boosters, for which Barnhart is still hated by some of those same people he was hired to clean out at the time. Sandy Bell was hired specifically to force compliance on the department and back up Barnhart. To some extent, Barnhart civered for Bell's work and took hits from boosters in order to protect her. This is why the Board of Trustees has continued to support Barnhart while some boosters and their allies continue to attack Barnhart dishonestly and relentlessly, even today. I think it is important to discuss and understand all the ramifications before dismissing the amount of damage Curci and Mumme did at UK. We skirted disaster and barely escaped with a functioning athletics department. Seriously.
I agree with what you say ,my comment was more along the lines of how much things have changed.

Just a little side story. I was a junior at WKU when Curci was hired, I was a dorm RA and had frequent interaction with dorm directors. One of the asst. directors was a grad student who had been on the training staff at Miami the year before.

We were talking one day and I ask how he thought Curci would at UK, I'll never forget his exact words" Oh he'll win at Kentucky, until the NCAA catches up with him"
Obviously this was before Curci had coached a down for UK, fairly accurate prediction wouldn't you say?
 
I'd feel much better if we had an official okey-dokey on Wilcox/Gilmore/Rodriquez.
Gilmore and Rodriguez are staying. They are improving Wilcox's NIL deal and he will probably stay, but look out for Lane Kiffin. At the end of the day, I believe Wilcox probably stays because he will be a star here and he likes Coach Boulware. But if Boulware leaves for some reason, all bets would be off.
 
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Drugs and implications in murder are bad things. Elmore Stephens and Sonny Collins come to mind(along with his New Jersey connections(
Warren Bryant was no saint and that is putting it mildly. When you are an All American, you can get away with a lot. Especially back in those days. Don't get me wrong. I liked watching him bury PA St defensive linemen.
 
I agree with what you say ,my comment was more along the lines of how much things have changed.

Just a little side story. I was a junior at WKU when Curci was hired, I was a dorm RA and had frequent interaction with dorm directors. One of the asst. directors was a grad student who had been on the training staff at Miami the year before.

We were talking one day and I ask how he thought Curci would at UK, I'll never forget his exact words" Oh he'll win at Kentucky, until the NCAA catches up with him"
Obviously this was before Curci had coached a down for UK, fairly accurate prediction wouldn't you say?

That guy sure knew what he was talking about. I think we all know why Fran the Man and Howard S. left Miami when they did.
 
Warren Bryant was no saint and that is putting it mildly. When you are an All American, you can get away with a lot. Especially back in those days. Don't get me wrong. I liked watching him bury PA St defensive linemen.
Blackburn Correctional complex could have fielded a pretty good football team
 
Gilmore and Rodriguez are staying. They are improving Wilcox's NIL deal and he will probably stay, but look out for Lane Kiffin. At the end of the day, I believe Wilcox probably stays because he will be a star here and he likes Coach Boulware. But if Boulware leaves for some reason, all bets would be off.
Trayanum was a doak walker candidate prior to his injury, and did well at OSU previously. He had a very rough injury for a RB to get cleared from (broken hand). You need 100% strength to grip and carry , and defenders are slapping and beating you across hands every play trying to strip . He should be back, maybe lesser NIL along with Patterson
 
As has been stated. Get as many good lineman as you can get. With Maclin staying and if Gilmore stays that’s a nice receiver pair. Get Wilcox to stay. Develop Boley. Overspending on QB’s isn’t working. Rid yourself of Wolford. Go back to the power running game that Stoops prefers. Instill disciplined football minimizing errors. Stop with the incessant showboating while you’re getting your ass beat. I prefer a fresh start with a new coach but this is the only way a coach like Stoops is gonna have any success at all.
I'm certainly in favor of this, especially not making fools of themselves by clowning or talking trash when they are losing... or ever, for that matter.
 
Purdue's top pass rusher, Will Heldt, would be worth pursuing. He went to the same high school as Morgan Newton, but more importantly he was developing into an excellent edge rusher. He had 5 sacks on the year and is expected to be pursued by several Big 10 schools that offered him out of high school.

"He's got speed, he's taken a leadership role in the room — he's just disruptive," Dineen said. "He's really smart, so he's going to pick up on little cues that the offense gives him. He can rush with speed, rush with power and he just knows where to be. He just seems to be in the right spot at the right time. And that's a credit to him and how he attacks the game from the mental side. Guys like that are fun to coach."

https://www.si.com/college/purdue/f...-breakout-season-purdue-boilermakers-football
 
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Feels like we'll get a bunch of OLinemen at a pretty penny. They'll be and to demand more since we badly need them.

Whether they perform to their NIL $$$ is yet to be seen, though. Wolf is their coach, so my guess is that whomever we get will underperform. But, who knows? I'm nothing but a sourpuss when it comes to UK football right now.
Wolf has destroyed the toughness of that OL. I'd start with a damn workhorse from a FCS like ND State or Montana in that OL Coach and let him build up his own legacy here and get his own OL built. Wolf has been destructive to that OL and his recruiting.
 
I think one issue that will come up in the next couple of days is that plenty of good players will enter the portal, and we will all want Kentucky to go after them. But will any of these players actually want to come here and play? The culture is bad, the coaching isn’t great, and other issues.
 
UK going after very highly touted OT's in the portal. Derek Simmons, 6-6 325, played ROT for WC in a high paced offense that passed the ball. Ethan Onianwa, 6-6 345, played LOT for Rice and ROT the previous two years and will be one the very highest drafted OT's, if not the highest. Extremely powerful and moves great. Isaiah World, 6-8 310, played LOT for Nevada and was a great pass blocker.

Whomever our QB will be, they should be much better protected if we can just get two of these guys. Onianwa is also a devastating run blocker. The coaches look to be very serious at bringing in a top OL for next season.
 
I think one issue that will come up in the next couple of days is that plenty of good players will enter the portal, and we will all want Kentucky to go after them. But will any of these players actually want to come here and play? The culture is bad, the coaching isn’t great, and other issues.
I honestly don’t think Kentucky is viewed as negatively by other people as it is by our own fans lol.
 
I think one issue that will come up in the next couple of days is that plenty of good players will enter the portal, and we will all want Kentucky to go after them. But will any of these players actually want to come here and play? The culture is bad, the coaching isn’t great, and other issues.
I don't think one bad season means players don't want to play here. If we have enough NIL money, I think the staff will be able to get good players through the portal.
 
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Much like in the NFL, money is going to speak when it comes to some of these OTs. It won't shock me if some of these guys get offered $1+ million.
Distributing money to OL first and with the amount we have to offer our chances look pretty good at getting some pro type OL. And playing in the SEC, these guys know they will be well prepared to transition to the pro's. Should be fun watching a QB at UK getting to play behind a high caliber OL. Been a long time.
 
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Gilmore and Rodriguez are staying. They are improving Wilcox's NIL deal and he will probably stay, but look out for Lane Kiffin. At the end of the day, I believe Wilcox probably stays because he will be a star here and he likes Coach Boulware. But if Boulware leaves for some reason, all bets would be off.
Got to keep Wilcox IMO and as far the receivers go I'm fine with a who has left and am excited for who's still here and who's coming in. Love Rodriguez and Gilmore and Maclin and love the entire freshamn group, just worry about their inexperience to help next year. The new coach needs to be a good one.
 
I don't think one bad season means players don't want to play here. If we have enough NIL money, I think the staff will be able to get good players through the portal.
One bad season? What rock have you been under. How many years were you under that rock? We need to be honest with ourselves. I wish it had only been one bad year. Have we gotten to the point that if we are bowl eligible, we have had a good year? A barely good year should be 8 - 4 or 9 - 3, certainly not 6 - 6. If a break even season is our ceiling we need to leave the SEC or drop our football program. If we can sustain a winning program in basketball we should be able to do the same in football. Lexington is a wonderful city and has a ton of activities compared to many of the other SEC schools. Have you ever been to Oxford or Starkville, MS? Gainesville, FL, Columbia, MO, and Norman, OK? Those places are no where close to being as nice as Lexington. This tells me that the leaders of our football program is our issue, not our lovely city.
 
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"Mark" said nothing of the sort, he can't publicly comment on this player. You made that up. He was a RS last year, contributed to his ZERO catches I'm sure.
Montgomery, a 6-2 195 receiver described himself as fast, high IQ, physical and strong. Marrow liked his film and offered. Marrow said he was 'explosive.' Only three hours from his home, sounds like a done deal. Already talking about the team as 'we.' Only played in four games last season so has four years of eligibility left. Wants our coaches to help him with getting off quick and route running to make him better.
 
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One bad season? What rock have you been under. How many years were you under that rock? We need to be honest with ourselves. I wish it had only been one bad year. Have we gotten to the point that if we are bowl eligible, we have had a good year? A barely good year should be 8 - 4 or 9 - 3, certainly not 6 - 6. If a break even season is our ceiling we need to leave the SEC or drop our football program. If we can sustain a winning program in basketball we should be able to do the same in football. Lexington is a wonderful city and has a ton of activities compared to many of the other SEC schools. Have you ever been to Oxford or Starkville, MS? Gainesville, FL, Columbia, MO, and Norman, OK? Those places are no where close to being as nice as Lexington. This tells me that the leaders of our football program is our issue, not our lovely city.
I'm sorry, but your logic is horrible flawed. It makes no difference how nice Lexington is or isn't. The issue is how much NIL money a schools has. When it comes to big money donors, we are not one of the wealthiest schools in the SEC. You also don't seem to understand the history of UK football. We were a perennial bottom feeder until Stoops got here. No respectable coach wanted to coach here because they all thought it was impossible to win here. Just going to bowl was a rare occurrence. The idea that going to 8 straight bowls is par for the course at one of worst football programs in the SEC is just ridiculous. I'm concerned Stoops has lost his ability to win but to act like he is an utter failure shows no recognition of who we are.
 
"Mark" said nothing of the sort, he can't publicly comment on this player. You made that up. He was a RS last year, contributed to his ZERO catches I'm sure.
That is almost word for word what CMS said at the end of his signing day press conference or radio show.

That was BEFORE this kid was even mentioned as possibly coming to UK.

BUT CMS said we would have a better team next year. Actually said " don't panic" we will be better next year.
 
That is almost word for word what CMS said at the end of his signing day press conference or radio show.

That was BEFORE this kid was even mentioned as possibly coming to UK.

BUT CMS said we would have a better team next year. Actually said " don't panic" we will be better next year.
Exactly. He 100% said we will be better next year.

Now he is depending on kids who couldn’t crack the field at UCONN to be better
 
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When I played (well, practiced a lot, I didn’t see the field much) for Oldham County back in the 80’s, my sophomore year we went undefeated all the way up until losing in the Semi finals to the eventual State Champ Christian County 6-0 on a questionable center sneak in a storm of freezing rain, sleet and cold. We had some big boys that year on the line, some went on to play college ball, one walked on at UK for a couple of years after wrestling at a MAC school. We allowed something like a total of 48 points scored on us all season and pitched six shutouts. It was all downhill after that season. When the big boys left we had an OL that featured a guard who was 5’-7” and 165 lbs. strong as an ox though. Was my sisters boyfriend for a couple of years. He actually got an honorable mention all-state playing guard at that size. But we only won like 3 games my junior year.
Glory DAYS
 
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