What you describe is exactly how the old system worked. You think Saban would have the same success at Wyoming? Booster and athletics budgets have always been in an arms race.
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No, I don't. As I posted earlier, at least there were consequences if you got caught. I'm a fan of paying the people that are providing the entertainment, I can't remember ever being against that. The amount of money being tossed around will bring all of the unsavory aspects into play if I had to guess. Again, I'm not against getting some money in the players hands, I just wish they would have come up with something better than this.
Saw this? Real head scratcher. Dude has played a lot here. Not the greatest corner but definitely solid
Has he though? He has played alot but 1 Int in 3 years of regular snaps. And not a ton of PBUs either. I just saw him as more of a dude that played off a ton to not get beat deep but gave up all kinds of completions in front of him. I thought Valentine was more disruptive IMO. I'm sort of ready for some Dre Phillips if we dn't hit portal for a DB.
Getting behind is not the problem when you guys play Bama.
Your problem is getting an early lead and Kirby going into his ultra conservative, run first, grind the clock out offense which allows Bama to regain momentum and blow right past you.
If Kirby doesn't get out of his own way, Bama will win this one by 7-10 points........again.
Archie was, Arch was not, his dad Cooper was at OM with Matt Luke. But Kirby is the connection.
I agree, his ultra conservative approach on the defensive side of dropping 7-8 into coverage against Young was not a good plan either. If he schemes the same gameplan this time around the results will be the same. Definition of insanity. Only game all year we played conservative on the defensive side of the ball. So conservative Bama wasn't even holding us.
I have listened to Kirby and the DC say that they were changing nothing for this game, just got to execute better.
I hope this is just coach speak. If not these guys egos are bigger than their brains.
To expect a different outcome if they have the same game plan is just plain insanity.
What is the spirit of the game? To play, put your body on the line and not get fairly compensated when the team you are bleeding for generates 150 million dollars in revenue? Or maybe you want these players to love our school for the exact same reasons you do? It's myopic and selfish to expect someone else to care exactly like you. I am from a family of scholarship athletes, so I know the time, effort and shitload of money that was spent on training to get good enough to play D1 sports and this should have happened a long time ago. I'm glad these kids get their just rewards even if they, like me my brother, didn't have the talent to go pro or like my father who did, but got injured. It's not going back to what it was. It is evolving and we need to evolve with it or be miserable opining about when athletes had no leverage.
I guess that's where we disagree. Government is there to ensure a level playing field and to maximize competitiveness. Individual liberties sometimes take a back seat to what's good for society. What you described is anarchy, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you intended.
Come on man! I've said I like the players being compensated, I'm not saying that in jest, I do like it. If that was all this was about, you wouldn't hear a peep out of me about it. That $150 million you referenced, it also has nothing to do with it. If it did, again, not a peep from me. NIL is being used to buy players, new money, not the $150 million. We've all seen this played out for the last 25-30 years in basketball, I see football being worse in four or five years. Hope I'm wrong but the history with this doesn't suggest I will be.
Well so much for a thread about the portal activity. Guess OP should change the title to UGa vs Bama thread.
What you described has absolutely nothing to do with our system of government. Our government is built upon the concept of individual liberty and everything is supposed to take a backseat to that. Doing what is good for society is not found in the Constitution or in the writings of our founding fathers because it is a socialist concept. Government doesn’t know what is in the best interest of society and neither does anyone else. Each individual acting in their own self interests and maximizing their benefit also maximizes the benefit of society as a whole. No central authority can do that because it’s impossible for it to know what benefits each citizen the most and it’s impossible for a central authority to offer the kind of diversity that allows each individual to maximize their benefit.
Protecting individual liberty does not equate to anarchy in any way, shape, or form. If you believe that, I would suggest you don’t understand the concept. Government is supposed to ensure a level playing by protecting liberty and to ensure they treat each of us in the same manner.
Do you really expect him to say we are going to change our gameplan and resort to what we did all year which was play aggressive defense and put pressure on the passer? Might not be what he does but he won't even say who is starting at QB.
He had a better in 2019 and 2020, but overall I thought he had a solid career in Lexington. Not sure if he battled injuries this year, or just didn't develop. It'll be somewhat telling to see where he transfers.
Gillespie is currently on the Raiders' roster. Monday is leaving Auburn for the NFL.
Farley is on the Titans and
No. But I heard Kirby say today that the rushed the passer on several plays and could not get to him.
I did not see a single blitz the entire game from Georgia defense. I saw a lot of the CMS drop eight in prevent zone defense which any decent QB will pick to pieces if given any time for receivers to find an open spot in the zone.
I'm hoping KS is just playing coy with coach speak, but watched his DC again today. He is certainly convinced that all they have to do is execute what they have done all year, just do it better this time.
We shall soon find out if they have a different game plan on defense and offense.
My only problem with this take is the schools are not paying them. They still aren't getting the money you are talking about. They are getting paid by corporations, business, etc. That's fine but they were not supposed to use it for recruiting. Idk what these schools are offering but A&M is bout to have the best class ever.
Thanks for clarifying, but paying athletes directly is still against the rules, so if that is happening, then I hope they get caught. We all know, the top schools were doing it, on some level, so the schools with ethical administrations were at a disadvantage. This, at least, levels the playing field and makes it more visible, so the public can judge for themselves. My take is that anything that gets these young people more money, then it's a good thing because most come from disadvantaged backgrounds and I also hope that the NIL money will slow the flow of marginal players who declare for the draft, but wind up working at Amazon. If some of these good college but won't be able to turn pro players, leave school with a 6 or 7 figure nest egg, then that is life altering and potentially generational money. IMO finding a booster with a business who's willing to pay $10-25K for a 2 hour autograph signing is better than sliding McDonald's bags stuffed with cash.
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As of today, they are getting around it by playing match maker to big money. The coaches aren't handing the cash out, there by side stepping the inducement language. It's a freaking joke how this is currently being handled.
Our system of government isn't the absence of government. Again, if you think it is, you don't understand a Republican form of government.
I will assume them and they are both referring to the athletes, so I'm not clear how they can both "not be receiving the money" and "they are getting paid".
I am obviously not personally involved with any of these transactions, but it appears the athletes are free to sign endorsement and personal appearance agreements with anyone, unless it violates state law and some states prohibit alcohol, MJ, gambling etc. So they do and they get paid. They may have professional representation finding and managing these sponsorships, which I hope is happening, and it is my understanding that the schools can be "directly" involved with these arrangements.
This si where the gray area lies. Of course, some schools (UK included I suspect), have embraced this opportunity and look at this seas change as an opportunity to elevate their programs. In the case of football, this is just the opportunity we needed to add some nitrous oxide to Stoops trajectory and I am glad that seems to be occurring. With basketball, this is a natural fit to Cal's players first philosophy and I hope we may be able to hang on to some second round talents a year longer because of it. Now if we could only get an AD who is more progressive, then we'll really be at the vanguard.
I don't disagree with that, but I'm not sure how that can be policed. They ought to make the penalties severe for anyone who is dumb enough to get caught when it's already easy to do what you need to do.
The comment was in reference to the point you made that individual liberty trumps all. That is a form of anarchy. The government, by it's nature, is in the business of limiting our individual liberties in every aspect of life, to protect the greater good. It's a philosophical point, but I make it because I keep hearing, reading people talk about their freedoms as individuals and forget we have a duty to society that seems to have been lost over the last generation or two and that is not an accusation to you, rather a general comment.
With that said, I don't want the mods to jump down our throats for hijacking the thread, so I'm going to end my philosophizing there. Thank you for the respectful back and forth.
I appreciate the respectful replies as well and also don't want to hijack the thread. I think you misinterpreted my comments about liberty and government. Our founding fathers recognized exactly what you just said, that government by its nature limits individual liberty. The solution was to strictly limit the power of government to specific functions so that individual liberty could flourish. We have unfortunately expanded the reach of government beyond the Constitutional box the founding fathers placed on it. With respect to not hijacking the thread any longer, this will be my final comment on the subject. Government does not know what the greater good is. No person or persons know what the greater good is. It's impossible for anyone to know how to maximize the benefit of 350 million individuals. Maximizing the greater good means maximizing the benefit of all 350 million individuals. Each individual knows how to maximize their greater good, or benefit, but they cannot possibly know what actions or programs benefit the greater good of the other 349,999,999 individuals. Greater good is just an excuse for government to expand its authority and reduce individual liberty. I think this is an interesting topic of discussion. Too bad it had to come up in a football thread where we really shouldn't explore it further.
As far as the portal goes, I agree with some others that there needs to be better regulation of these transactions so it doesn't devolve into basically directly paying players to attend a school. That's probably where we are in reality, but I think in the long run it will be bad for sports.
Well, this thread is pure sh!t now. Good job guys.
Hey Grumpy, off topic here but I know I will forget. Best of luck to you guys in the Alabama game. Hope u kick their ass. 👍
Yes they are free to sign with who they want and whatever business wants to sign them. They still aren't getting any more of the NCAA/SEC money, the 150 million you mentioned. The money they are getting is from the businesses not from the colleges.
I have zero problem with them getting. I just pointed what they are not getting the money from the tv deals, etc that is funneled into the schools
I have zero problem with them getting. I just pointed what they are not getting the money from the tv deals, etc that is funneled into the schools
Had a Michigan guy crying the blues about Ky taking someone from there .. player ? Transfer ? coach ? He didnt say Any ideas ? Could have been hoops ?
I assume he was talking about the DT signee Deone Walker. The kid is bigger than Georgias Jordan Davis (height and weight wise)
Casey Thompson leaving Horns for Nebraska. 2113 passing yards, 24 TD/9 INT.
In my opinion, upgrade over Adrian Martinez, who is heading to Kansas State.
In my opinion, upgrade over Adrian Martinez, who is heading to Kansas State.
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