I disagree. I mean if a Saudi prince helped Trump by taking majority control of the plaza hotel in order to give him breathing room with creditors then I'm not sure how belief comes into play. That's a fact.
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There's various levels of "can't withstand scrutiny". There's "establishment-blocks-Bernie" or "establishment-favors-top-of-the-ticket". Which are embarrassments if you have a fairly low threshold of embarrssment. And there's "does-a-Chamberlain-at-Munich-Sell-Out". Trump musing that he wouldn't help the Baltic Republics if invaded is up there with Reagan's arms deal with the Iranians.
Can we at least draw a distinction between dealing with foreign governments as a private businessman, and dealing with foreign governments as a representative of OUR government? Did Trump betray the Americans trust by accepting foreign investment? Did HRC betray Americans trust by allowing state secrets to be read at will? Or by accepting foreign "donations" to her campaign?
I thought that too, since we learned two pages ago from the village idiot that they are all the devil.
You're desperate Moe, and it's showing. The emails were damning, and since the democrats can't refute any of it, and they look like jack asses they have tried to make it about Trump and the Russians.
The Russians have ZERO to gain with a Trump presidency. The Democrats have yet to stand up to the Russians, Putin has bullied Obama at every turn. You think he's gonna respect Clinton?
I guess I do business with the Saudi Sovereign wealth fund. In fact, most weekends I'm having someone that works for the Saudi Sovereign wealth fund drive me around town.
Can't wait to get to the point where the Saudis are paying me for corrupt favors from a government I control.
Can't wait to get to the point where the Saudis are paying me for corrupt favors from a government I control.
Please note 2 things. The subject under discussion was The Baltics. And I wasn't directly quoting him.
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/...e-to-your-rescue-if-youve-done-enough-for-us/
Sure. Putin and Trump have a mutual admiration society. Trump signals he wouldn't help the Baltics. Your ZERO is a very odd ZERO.
As for Obama standing up, the embargo over the Ukraine is impoverishing them. And that's definitely not nothing. Putin hasn't bullied Obama. He's pulled stunts.
If it matters to you who hacked the DNC emails, your head is so far up your ass there's no saving you.
There's a definite distinction. I'm just saying that if we are expecting policy to change in regards to the Saudis and Middle East with Trump then we are in for a let down.
More word games from you. Read your citation again and show me where it says he won't help them if they are attacked. You can't because he didn't say that.
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taking Crimea from Ukraine, saving Assad's hold on Syria, obtaining control of Syria's chemical weapons that crossed Obama's pathetic limp red line, buzzing our warships & airspace with impunity....stunts....
If only Obama could stand in for another election, just imagine the FLEXIBILITY he could promise Putin this time around
Suck it repugs.....wallow in the "facts"
The Hill @thehill 20m20 minutes ago
JUST IN: Pelosi: It’s "a fact" Russia hacked DNC http://hill.cm/1k531HJ
The Hill @thehill 20m20 minutes ago
JUST IN: Pelosi: It’s "a fact" Russia hacked DNC http://hill.cm/1k531HJ
Because 25? (I don't feel like going back to look at the actual date) years ago a Saudi Prince took a controlling stake in one of Trump's companies? In line with a strategy of investing the hotels the prince had been using very successfully?
LEaK, LEaK, LEaK, damn boy you work hard. I will never doubt your veracity. Not sure what you do for a living or whether you're right or wrong but if you work anything like what you do on a message board.....you're HIRED.
That is another assumption you have made. I assume if HRC is elected, then we will not see any policy change in regards to the Saudis or Middle East. My assumption trumps yours due to, reality.
Honestly, I've seen a lot of stupid shit from the Democrats, but acting like it makes a damn bit of difference who hacked the DNC's emails is the stupidest shit I've ever seen.
You've not been paying attention. I know Hillary isn't going to change. She's a neocon hawk. Her middle name is foreign intervention. I'm just saying it isn't going to change with trump either. And that's not an assumption. The military machine isn't going to change under any elected president. More weapons will continue to be sold to Saudi Arabia and we will continue to intervene and the drone the shit out of the area.
Are you trying to say Russia hasn't grown its world influence in the last 8 years, and especially the last 4? All the embargo has done is pushed Russia closer to China, I'm sure thats going to end up benefitting the US.
Lets say you're right, and the Russians hacked the DNC. It doesn't change the fact of what the DNC is doing, maybe you should open your eyes to the party of "unity" and see what they truly are.
No. Because of an on going business relationship he has had with the Saudis going back for at least 25 years. The instance I mentioned above was just one of many.
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Trump has solicited foreign donations. Even after being warned by the FEC.
You can try to make the email server something that it wasn't. A Republican investigator looked into it far more deeply than internet bozos have and did not even recommend indictment. All he had to do to completely derail her campaign was to recommend an indictment. She'd have beaten the charge, but that's irrelevant. She'd have been hopelessly out of the election. But he didn't do it. A Republican. Not a Democrat. From Watergate to Vince Foster to the email server to Benghazi, she's been assaulted with charge after charge in partisan witch hunts. And nohing substantive. A hundred bogus charges don't equal a real sin.
Please to note that you never hear a peep about the non-archived email server in the Bush White House. Why is that? You never hear any blowback about Republican cuts in funding for embassy security? Why is that? All the ginned up anger and frenzy wouldn't be mere partisan bellyaching, would it?
Not sure what youre celebrating here?
If true, this just verifies that Russia also has whatever state secrets Killary had in her closet.
And it does nothing to damage "repugs"
First of all, federal regulations changed after the Bush deal, where all federal business was to be done on Government servers.
Second, she put the server in her HOUSE! The secretary of state was doing business on a server in her HOUSE! Do you understand how absurd that is, and the only reason she did it was to get around FOIA laws.
She broke the law Moe, you know it, I know it, she knows it, and the FBI director basically said if anyone else had done it they'd be charged. Most candidates would've withdrew from the election had that come up with them, but not Hillary, this is her last chance to fulfill her lifelong dream. To hell with the country, its all about her.
Second, she put the server in her HOUSE! The secretary of state was doing business on a server in her HOUSE! Do you understand how absurd that is, and the only reason she did it was to get around FOIA laws.
She broke the law Moe, you know it, I know it, she knows it, and the FBI director basically said if anyone else had done it they'd be charged. Most candidates would've withdrew from the election had that come up with them, but not Hillary, this is her last chance to fulfill her lifelong dream. To hell with the country, its all about her.
Starting to think this is either Hillary or Chelsea. No sane person could have their own head that far up Clinton ass.
I think you should maybe watch the press conference of James Comey and not just read the Vox write up of no charges announced.
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Let's take the last first. The emails have shown that the DNC favored HRC over Bernie. And favored the top-of-the-ticket over state contests. That's what they show! That's it. (Except for poor Chuck Todd.) That was what everyone knew. How does having emails change that? Trump complained about the RNC working against him! What would having emails from RNC staffers change? What does having emails make different? If you actually read any of them and don't simply take other comments for granted, you' read the gossip and complaints of the staff. Whoop-di-do. Everything that a talking head talks about in an hysterical voice doesn't actually merit hysteria.
Now Russia.
The embargo dropped Russian GDP 2.2% in 2014 and 3.5% in 2015. Russia has made trade adjustments and is expecting flat growth this year. This isn't nothing. Our recession in 2009 was a 3.1% contraction.
If the Russians hacked the DNC -- and all the evidence points that way -- there's definitely a prima facie case for investigating if a foreign government is actively trying to shape the American election. And possibly with the knowledge of one of the candidates. It was outrageous that Netanyahu simply made a partisan speech in our Congress. This would be much worse.
Right. No charges. A Republican-led investigation. No charges. No complaint from you about the White House email server. Why not?
IMO it really don't matter who gets in office. The government and country is now ran by ultra rich multi-billionaires who rose to power through lucrative foreign trade agreements that benefited them directly and cost the American worker trillions of dollars in lost wages and benefits over the last 22 years.
Good Lord, or if you perfer, GOOD ALLAH, Putin has pwned Obama for the last 4/5 years. Obama is weak, feckless, and has no balls to stand up to bullies, and Putin is a bully, Putin has bitch slapped Obama, and Merkle and all of Europe and none of them have stood up to him. But, you keep your head in the sand.
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Hard to dispute someone who said we cannot find out what is in a bill until we pass it.
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Cops find cocaine on a man
Man goes into rage that the reason he went to jail is because of cops.
At no point is there any accountability for breaking the law.
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