^ maybe when the SOFAs are impossible to negotiate to an acceptable compromise? US was almost kicked out of Okinawa after a Marine rape of a local girl in the 1990s, IIRC.
It was stable in 2007?Iraq was won & stabilized after the 2007 surge. Obama's political decision to cut & run to satisfy political promise lost it.
we still have troops stationed in Germany & Japan 71 years after the conclusion of hostilities with those countries. and on the Korean peninsula 63 years after the ending of that shooting war.
When are they going to leave? according to you, at some point they have to. say the date spanky, if occupying troops HAVE to leave at a date certain when do we do so in those 3 countries?
BTW, pastors/churches can and have refused to perform interracial marriages, or even allow interracial couples as members. How come no one forced them? Because it's not possible? Yup.
I think I'll weigh on this. Skin color not the same as behavior, from a biblical standpoint.
For a pastor, the bible is the say so. Leave him alone.
For a pastor, the bible is the say so. Leave him alone.
Being gay is a choice, They like it better. I'm a born liar, but that doesn't give me the right to lie, or commit perjury. I just can't give in to it, neither can a person predisposed to being gay.
That's fine. But the pastor doesn't speak for everyone and is not the decider for all people.
When have they come after any pastors for not wanting to marry gays?Just don't come after him legally, that's my only point.
BTW, pastors/churches can and have refused to perform interracial marriages, or even allow interracial couples as members. How come no one forced them? Because it's not possible? Yup.
Exactly. I think the HRC's issue with the Georgia bill is that religious charities in Georgia who get federal money (homeless shelters, rehab programs, etc) could use the bill to discriminate who gets the (partially taxpayer-funded) charity.I doubt that "Must officiate at weddings when asked" is on any minister's job description. It is a service that he/she may choose to offer to whomever he/she chooses but is not a required duty. Most pastors turn down requests to officiate at weddings all the time for numerous reasons. It is not even automatic that a pastor will officiate at one of their own members' wedding. It's not like if he/she refuses they can't get married. Find a JP or go to the courthouse. Just get the license, pay the fee and they'll marry anybody.
Exactly. I think the HRC's issue with the Georgia bill is that religious charities in Georgia who get federal money (homeless shelters, rehab programs, etc) could use the bill to discriminate who gets the (partially taxpayer-funded) charity.
I have a feeling that even among liberals, there's very little support for prosecuting a Baptist minister if he refuses to perform a homo wedding.
I think I'll weigh on this. Skin color not the same as behavior, from a biblical standpoint. From a biblical standpoint, homosexuality is a sin, and gay marriage isn't a real marriage. In fact, a man/woman marriage is compared to Christ and the church. Pastors typically will counsel couples he will marry, and certainly could not condone a homosexual marriage, on biblical grounds. Find somebody else who is okay with it.
However, from a biblical standpoint, nothing at all wrong with interracial marriage. It's not there. In fact, if you believe the Noah account, as I do, the whole earth was populated from the 8 people who were left, Noah, his wife, their 3 sons, and their wives. So, bibllically, we are all their descendants, and you can't be opposed to interracial marriage.
NO DANG IT!When have they come after any pastors for not wanting to marry gays?
Can we save the outrage until it actually happens?
Easy, my parents were/are J/W. I grew up in it and yes it is a bit weird.Both liberals and conservatives alike, however, would support prosecuting a Jehovah's Witness minister for refusing to hitch queers cause we can all agree that they're (JW) just a bunch of weirdos.
Sorry, but you have zero basis for this whatsoever besides the fevered dreams of Ted Cruz. So you think that somehow churches can refuse to perform weddings on the basis of constitutionally protected classes like religion and race, but they cannot refuse for whatever class Kennedy's ramblings put sexual preference into? That's completely illogical.
It's the old "camel's nose in the tent" fear tactic. It is a version of the gay wedding cake uproar. "If we let these people get away with refusing to bake us a wedding cake, it's just a matter of time until we can't buy a wedding cake anywhere!" (Although probably any other bakery in town would have gladly baked them a cake.)
Winning a war is easy. Winning the peace is hard.
We wiped out Iraq's army in a few days...then spent the next 10 years dealing with the consequences. No doubt we could take any ground held by ISIS in the same manner...then what? At some point we have to leave and there is nothing to keep the cycle from repeating itself.
It was stable in 2007?
Graph of monthly U.S. military casualties in Iraq from beginning of war to February, 2008
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What is your definition of stable?
How many US troops have been killed in action in Germany, Japan or Korea since the end of those wars? How many billions of US taxpayer dollars have gone to pay for our continued occupation of those countries. If US soldiers continued to be killed the political will of the people would have demanded that our troops come home a long, long time ago.
We don't remain in Germany and Japan to keep the peace or to run the police state. US soldiers are as safe there as they would be here at home. Still, there is mounting pressure to bring those troops home as well. They stayed there for decades as part of the cold war...they stay there now as part of the military industrial complex.
I think I'll weigh on this. Skin color not the same as behavior, from a biblical standpoint. From a biblical standpoint, homosexuality is a sin, and gay marriage isn't a real marriage. In fact, a man/woman marriage is compared to Christ and the church. Pastors typically will counsel couples he will marry, and certainly could not condone a homosexual marriage, on biblical grounds. Find somebody else who is okay with it.
However, from a biblical standpoint, nothing at all wrong with interracial marriage. It's not there. In fact, if you believe the Noah account, as I do, the whole earth was populated from the 8 people who were left, Noah, his wife, their 3 sons, and their wives. So, bibllically, we are all their descendants, and you can't be opposed to interracial marriage.
So what you're essentially saying is you like playing hard to get so if ol' Willie decides he wants to get in on that you are going to make him go the extra mile before you bend over and cough? Does that technically make you a debutante?Being gay is a choice, They like it better. I just can't give in to it, neither can a person predisposed to being gay.
While I agree with your assessment, the lack of historical context is befuddling. For years interracial marriage was considered wrong from a biblical stand point. People made the same claim about blacks as others do homosexuality.
While I agree with your assessment, the lack of historical context is befuddling. For years interracial marriage was considered wrong from a biblical stand point. People made the same claim about blacks as others do homosexuality.
So what you're essentially saying is you like playing hard to get so if ol' Willie decides he wants to get in on that you are going to make him go the extra mile before you bend over and cough? Does that technically make you a debutante?
Twisting what I said Willy, and you know it. It's what you do, I guess.