Not arguing against you - just used your line about "discriminatory" to make my post. It's about right to refuse. Discrimination doesn't occur, Willy, simply because rainbows are easier to make. Discrimination isn't absent simply because Kosher food is more difficult to produce. It's about right to refuse.
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Not arguing against you - just used your line about "discriminatory" to make my post. It's about right to refuse. Discrimination doesn't occur, Willy, simply because rainbows are easier to make. Discrimination isn't absent simply because Kosher food is more difficult to produce. It's about right to refuse.
Not when it's sexually or ethically driven.
Sorry. If you're trying to compare kosher to gay. That logic fails.
Well, tough f****** titty. Boo hooo
A lot self appointed judges in America who seem to think their judgment is what their God wants.
"Well, Hell, ol' Jim Honky cracker ass Baptist says those negro gays are gonna go burn with Satan"
Goddamn. Stick a muzzle on them.
Willie - Abortion, Gay marriage, Planned Parenthood, Stem cell research, School prayer etc - these are important issues to a lot of Republicans voters. You can't expect these people of faith to stay quiet about them, especially in an election year.
You really should put him on ignore. It's just terrible take after another. It's the same justification that was ruled illegal 60 years ago.
The same argument was destroyed then. It's destroyed now, yet like most dumbassery, they think if they scream loud enough, they are right.
They think, a ha! But no, it's still discrimination. No matter how many cute bows you put around the argument.
Really? No shit, You know FTS. The most used cognitive distortion in America is Emotional Reasoning.
Yep, they don't want government to interfere except in those issues. As long as the government follows what they want, no one else gets too. Do as I say, not as I do.
Ahh, I like Kopi. I like most everyone brother. Although I don't agree with his take, he is entitled to it.
LEK, some people can't accept two guys sucking cock. Or one man sucking cock while the other one jacks him off and licks his butthole. It's not my place to judge them.
I don't judge gays. That is completely removed from my point about refusal. If two grown men want to puff on each other, fine. I would prefer not to be affected by it, that's just me. But I do not judge those people. Abortion. I don't judge those people. If people want to use abortion, conduct abortion, have at it. Totally support them on all days. But when they go out of their way to say to me that it isn't killing I tell them "f'k you, you should have left me alone."
The whines from the pro-lifers are heard more often and more loudly than pro-choicers. To deny that is ignorance. In the news quite often is information about states trying to thwart abortion clinics. No one screams victim more than pro-lifers, Sorry. Case is closed. Not changing. When some 15 year old girl in 2025 gets knocked and doesn;t want it within the legal timelines. Guess what? She's gonna abort and there is nothing you or the Supreme Court is going to do about it.
Yeah, but, you think logically Willy, and sometimes I think I do as well. So we both know people believe what they want to believe and there's not much else we can do to change that.
No it's true. Like the world needs ditch diggers kinda thing.
It's Not about a right to have a take, it's just some takes are so god awful bad, I mean earth shatteringly stupid, they need to be stabbed in the heart with a wooden stake before they infect others.
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FTS. Well, I have no problem with that.
That whole Microsoft AI Tay thing got me thinking.
Humans like to portray an image that we are good people and we are "better" than evil. I disagree. As Tay is evidence that humans are garbage. Humans like to portray a society face of holier than thou while being nothing more than selfish. There are very few self-less people in the world.
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I'd say that's because the pro abortion crowd is winning and has nothing really to protest. The ones who are trying to stop that will naturally be louder.
Will of the people is the majority of the group voted for the guy more than any other candidate. Did he benefit from a large group of candidates? Yes and he still beat all of them. Even when it was down to three, he still got more.
The Republican Party is effed regardless. I thought they would be a shoe-in to win in 2016 before the Trump stuff even started. I now believe it's a no win situation. You let Trump take the nominee, he probably loses and we have sacrificed another 8 years to the Dems. If the GOP nominates a candidate ans goes against the majority, they will essentially have killed their own party, for the slim chance of trying to get the White House in 2020.
I used to be optimistic about the right winning this one and now I have very little faith at all. There's too much to overcome.
-The media
-The constant protest from libs
-Academia brainwashing
-The party being split and bashing each other
-Every non white voting block is on the Dem side
If it was Bernie winning the nomination, I would think Trump could actually win. Now...not at all. Hillary isn't losing this one. We're about to get even more flooded with illegals, the PC stuff is going to get worse, the Supreme Court will be Dem majority and the Republicans will never win another election.
The sad thing is, if any candidate deserves to be protested it's Hillary yet no one on the left gives an eff and they're all in on her.
Jesus, you moron. Yes, it's still discrimination.
Rather than silencing you, I'd rather you continue to post stupid things so everyone knows how dumb you are. Same as I'd rather not legally prevent someone from discriminating against people. I'd rather they discriminate openly so I know who to avoid.
Willy, I thought you were of a much more libertarian mind set than to circle jerk with those two over having the government force private citizens to perform services for other private citizens.
Tell us more about the whore in Vegas, that went a long way to clearing this issue up for everyone.
It's readily apparent there's no clearing up anything for you or LEK. You made that obvious when you thought you were going down a "gotcha" path with the sibling question, but really just misunderstood the topic.
In the future, if something takes logic, reasoning, or a bit of objectivity, I'll refrain from engaging with you two.
In the future, if something takes logic, reasoning, or a bit of objectivity, I'll refrain from engaging with you two.
I am Bill. 100% Libertarian. I struggle with this. Because technically, you're right, business owners should have the right of refusal. I agree with that. Truly do think businesses should run how they see fit without government interference. For me, it's hard to have this discussion about Libertarians' individual freedoms when those freedoms are being squashed at the root before it even gets to the business side of things. That's where my hang up is. I don't look at this as a right or left issue, but a common sense humanity issue.
I hate the gov't. Absolutely abhor it. Wish we didn't have a gov't at all other than military protection. But I do struggle with the humanity side.
.But Bill, I will say this. How is it fair for the evangelical right (who supposedly hates big gov't ) to use big gov't to suppress individual freedoms? Every bleeding heart conservative that whines and cries about small government are always the first to use "big government" to impact their beliefs. F*** religion. I don't give a shit about what Joe Six Pack believes in. Whether its keeping a vegetable like Terry Schiavo alive, or denying marriage benefits. And I agree with your marriage stance. I think a father should be able to marry his son in order to keep the money out of the hands of the government.
Republicans love socialism. There I said it. Those who deny it are living a goddamn lie Bill. Republicans love using big government to suppress individual freedoms.
Democrats are financially socialists
Republicans are socially socialists.
People are big fat fake phonies.
Republicans love socialism. There I said it. Those who deny it are living a goddamn lie Bill. Republicans love using big government to suppress individual freedoms.
Democrats are financially socialists
Republicans are socially socialists.
People are big fat fake phonies.
And that's where you and I differ. I understand that by defending one's right to express their hate, I'm not agreeing with their hate.
To me, defending one's right to live their life as they choose (talking in a non criminal law context), even if that includes discriminating against people, is not defending discrimination. People should have the freedom to be idiots and say dumb things, and that should be put on display for everyone, not silenced.
There's nuances there you and LEK just don't understand.
The marriage issue is different, Willy. Marriage is a government creation to begin with. The federal government is involved in marriage, so yes, some people are going to want that defined in a certain way based on their religion.
But it's not like one group of people is pushing religious involvement in everyone's life through the federal government. The one side is pushing federal involvement in everyone's lives by making marriage a government construct to begin with. The other side is pushing back saying they want the government involvement defined differently.
We still are at a position where people are being discriminated against with marriage laws, as you've heard me argue time and time again. It just so happens the gays are the in thing right now, so everyone pushed for them to be included in the federal government's definition. The left doesn't give a shit about the less vocal minorities they see as undesirables.
But it's not like one group of people is pushing religious involvement in everyone's life through the federal government. The one side is pushing federal involvement in everyone's lives by making marriage a government construct to begin with. The other side is pushing back saying they want the government involvement defined differently.
We still are at a position where people are being discriminated against with marriage laws, as you've heard me argue time and time again. It just so happens the gays are the in thing right now, so everyone pushed for them to be included in the federal government's definition. The left doesn't give a shit about the less vocal minorities they see as undesirables.
I was never "for" Donald Trump but I was going to suck it up and vote for him anyhow simply because the only other viable option is Hillary Clinton and eight more years of Obama (a guy I was neutral about for a long time but whom I eventually came to greatly dislike).
I have reached the point, however, where I can no longer do it. I agree with a number of his ideas (immigration, letting unknown Muslin refugees in, etc). But he is such an entitled disgusting human being (and, I suspect, can never change that) who would be an embarrassing president to thrust out on the world stage representing the US.
I am ready to accept the Republican convention being thrown into chaos to find another candidate (other than Ted Cruz, who is just a short step below Trump in likability).
I don't have a clue right now as to who I will end up voting for, just that it won't be Hillary Clinton.
I have reached the point, however, where I can no longer do it. I agree with a number of his ideas (immigration, letting unknown Muslin refugees in, etc). But he is such an entitled disgusting human being (and, I suspect, can never change that) who would be an embarrassing president to thrust out on the world stage representing the US.
I am ready to accept the Republican convention being thrown into chaos to find another candidate (other than Ted Cruz, who is just a short step below Trump in likability).
I don't have a clue right now as to who I will end up voting for, just that it won't be Hillary Clinton.
Agree. Morally terrible, but the free market would sort it out; if given the chance.
Scotus and legislation both. But that's really not even being debated.
True. Both parties often practice this hypocrisy. It's like the left saying they're the party of inclusion. Of course that really means "you're welcome, if you'll say think and do what we want. Otherwise we hate you and will spend all the free time I have destroying your life."
So you're saying marriage didn't exist without government? I mean government invented the word for their purposes?
I think marriage should be abolished as a legal matter & left to groups to use as a private matter. Would eliminate government discriminating on the matter as it does now.
Agreed BigBlue.
Should a business get tax benefits that helps them keep their business open from taxpayers that they'd deny?
Plurality =/= Majority. That's what that entire link was about.
Roughly 21M votes cast in the GOP primaries so far and Trump has only garnered 8M of them.
It should be obvious to everyone, which poster, which Paddock user, is most intolerant of ideas unlike his own, so much so that the immediate solution is elimination - most likely to be voted worker in a Nazi death camp. In this case, just to keep the focus narrow, an individual who is intolerant to persons who find it puzzling, the joy received by those in reaction to a Colorado baker's ruin, simply because he did not give in to homosexual wants.
I have dug ditches. The first of several on a family farm in Tennessee in the late 60's and early 70s. More in my years as a military serviceman. In the years after (took a few years to piece together a degree while working multiple places, multiple states) I've dug ditches in many US states, Canadian provinces, Europe, Japan, SE Asia, cent America and other places that would be boring to read about for somebody worried about a self-righteous image he/she may be able to conjure by volunteering at an aids clinic in downtown Louisville. But I will add this: There are gay people in the heavy equipment operator / qualified millwright community, and they aren't stupid enough to bee-bop into a private business and create a national crisis.
At the same time, it's pretty ridiculous to flip the world upside down for a group who makes up 3 percent of the country and for trans and their bathroom laws when they make up 0.3 percent.
We have become the land of special interest groups who think they should be catered to for every desire they have or every decision they make.
I believe homosexuals should have the tax breaks that anyone else would get but I do not consider their relationships an actual "marriage" nor do I think trying to appease the gay community is more important than protecting religious freedoms and freedoms to make decisions that you feel are morally right. By no means, should a Christian business owner be sued or lose their business because they wont cater, host or make a cake for a gay wedding.
On an unrelated note, I love that the gay community doesn't have the guts to go after Muslim business owners. They know they can take on Christians and be allowed to bully them but not the group who is known to execute homosexuas in Islamic majority countries.
I agree. But I think that is the attitude of just about all differing factions in our country today and it scares me.
