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POLITICAL THREAD

How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

  • Total voters
    50
  • Poll closed .
Fine, you're not from Boston. I'll take your word for it, and, in the future, will refrain from making such assumptions even though, well, your handle does have the word "Boston" in it. But, fine. I note that you didn't refute anything else. Can you cite one post of yours that is not leftist? Just one? (Note- claims to be Republican are not in and of themselves non-leftist posts, particularly when immediately belied by the substantive content of what comes next in the post).
Falsely claimed DT has played more golf in one year than Obama did in 8
Passionately defended the Paris Treaty
Very pro ACA
Numerous "Trump is a bigot" posts
 
You know that those salaries are being paid by some CEO/Team owner that is making much more than their employees. Hell, Roger Goodell makes more than any player in the NFL. It's estimated that Jerry Jones makes $500 million from the Cowboys which is about 4x the total salary of the entire roster. They just ask for a percentage of the revenues and negotiate their contracts. Musicians and movie stars don't work for salaries, they are paid based on how their product sells. They are in effect, CEOs of themselves.
Athletes, musicians and movie stars are the product. The CEO of Ford isn't the product, most didn't risk their livelihoods to build the companies they run.

But you'll have to show me where anyone said that they all don't make too much.
I think you are taking the term CEO a bit too literal. When people say CEOs, they are typically referring to general upper executives at businesses, not just the person with the CEO job title.
 
So because you're internet was fine means companies like Comcast weren't throttling stuff like Netflix?

Just like with any other business, money talks. If you're not happy with the service, then go somewhere else. Once enough choose the same route, they'll have no choice but to fix it or go out of business.

In my opinion, the Internet is a luxury, not a necessity/utility. You can argue with me until you're blue in the face, you'll never convince me that the government and Silicon Valley having control is a good thing.
 
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They can legally block anything they want without impunity so long as it is stated in the terms of service.

This is already happening in Silicon Valley. Where is your outrage? Why are you only upset about the possibility of ISP's doing it, but couldn't care less about liberal Silicon Valley actually doing it? You're slip is showing.
 
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This is already happening in Silicon Valley. Where is your outrage? Why are you only upset about the possibility of ISP's doing it, but couldn't care less about liberal Silicon Valley actually doing it? You're slip is showing.
Would you just try listening for christ sake? I'm not denying there is cenorship by Facebook and shit. It happens. But I can still access the information. If Twitter blocked the KKK website, I can still search for it or type in the URL directly. It may not be quite as convenient, but I still have access to it.

When the ISP blocks the KKK website, I'm not going to be able to access it at all. Links to it on social media won't work. Seearch results won't work. Typing in the URL won't work. Everything I do to try to get to the website won't work because my ISP is blocking it.

When one website blocks it, I can still get it in otehr easy to use methods. When my ISP blocks it, I can't get it all.

I don't think anyone should be going to the KKK website or supporting it in any capacity, but the people that want to should at least be able to. But you're SOL if your ISP doesn't want you to.
 
My problem with the tax cuts is not that people are getting more money, it's that they are not doing nearly enough cuts to spending to offset the decrease in tax dollars.

If you owned an apartment complex, and you decreased rent by $25 a month per unit, but you decreased spending by only $13 a month per unit, you are coming out a net of negative $12 per month. That's what this tax bill is doing, and it doesn't make sense.

I get that. I also agree for the need to be fiscally conservative.

But neither of those have anything to do with why the Dems are furious about it.

Ot: will be interesting to see if resulting economic growth offsets the somewhat lack of cuts.
 
Would you just try listening

I am, you're not. You're assuming that they're not going to do the right thing and fear mongering like a true liberal does. But, in the case your ISP messes around and blocks you from visiting your favorite KKK site, and it's that important to you, then cancel, pick up the phone and find a different ISP.

What you're also failing to realize is, ISP's will finally be getting a slice of the pie. They'll be incentives for them to do better, which will hopefully breed competition, resulting in better service, and more options. It's called doing business.

You never know, one might even actually make their bones on being the ISP who doesn't block KKK sites just to have an advantage over the competition. It'll be perfect for you.
 
You realize without having net neutrality, ISPs could significantly throttle or literally block Netflix so long as it was in the terms of agreements? They can charge you more for accessing different websites. Or force companies, like Netflix to use your example, to pay more to the ISP to not be throttled, and that cost will almost always be passed on to the consumer. The ISPs can basically do whatever they want in terms of controlling internet traffic. Comcast was notorious for throttling Netflix back in the day.


you realize you didnt answer any of the questions i asked?

ill reword the most important. why is the federal government better to "monitor" the interwebs than the private sector. what is the government better at than the private sector? WHAT if the government doesnt want us watching say..i dont know..propoganda video? visiting conspiracy thoery sites? what then?
 
New FBI memos out. Strzok actually made another change to Comey's statement, downgrading the likelihood of a hostile foreign actor hacking Hillary's server.

At first, the the memo read it was likely that her server was hacked. By the time Strzok got ahold of it and Comey read it publicly, the language was downgraded to it was possible her server was hacked.
 
So because you're internet was fine means companies like Comcast weren't throttling stuff like Netflix? Are you really going to just ignore what is a known fact because it didn't affect you?

dude, just because you have half a netflix account doesnt mean you know what youre talking about.

COMcast wasnt throttling netflix. netflix tried to whine and moan that they were, but the truth came out later down the road.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryd...soned-the-net-neutrality-debate/#15664d951c4d
 
So because you're internet was fine means companies like Comcast weren't throttling stuff like Netflix? Are you really going to just ignore what is a known fact because it didn't affect you?

Earlier this month, Frost & Sullivan’s Dan Rayburn, a leading media industry analyst, reported damning evidence that Hastings’s claims of ISPs throttling were untrue all along, based on a fundamental misidentification of the cause of measurable traffic congestion being experienced at the time across the Internet.
 
I don't think anyone should be going to the KKK website or supporting it in any capacity, but the people that want to should at least be able to. But you're SOL if your ISP doesn't want you to

One other about this, you do realize this has already happened, don't you? After Charlottesville their KKK site was completely kicked off of Go Daddy, then the rest of the liberal Silicon Valley banded together, vowing not to provide them a space and rid them from the Internet forver. They even admitted it was probably an infringement on their first amendment, but said they didn't care and were following through anyways. I bet you were outraged and fought them the way you're fighting this, weren't you?
 
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The ISPs were already doing this greedy shit before the net neutrality laws were in place. What makes you so confident they won't again? Especially when you factor in most Americans live in areas where one ISP has monopoly control.
NN didn't affect rates/greed - "greed" meaning trying to make a buck (I get it.). That monopoly control you speak of is on local governments that granted it & can rescind it. No need for Feds to intervene.
 
I get that. I also agree for the need to be fiscally conservative.

But neither of those have anything to do with why the Dems are furious about it.

Ot: will be interesting to see if resulting economic growth offsets the somewhat lack of cuts.

They're furious about it because it was drafted by the GOP. Same reason the GOP would be furious about it had it been drafted by Dems.

Washington in a nutshell.
 
Would you just try listening for christ sake? I'm not denying there is cenorship by Facebook and shit. It happens. But I can still access the information. If Twitter blocked the KKK website, I can still search for it or type in the URL directly. It may not be quite as convenient, but I still have access to it.

When the ISP blocks the KKK website, I'm not going to be able to access it at all. Links to it on social media won't work. Seearch results won't work. Typing in the URL won't work. Everything I do to try to get to the website won't work because my ISP is blocking it.

When one website blocks it, I can still get it in otehr easy to use methods. When my ISP blocks it, I can't get it all.

I don't think anyone should be going to the KKK website or supporting it in any capacity, but the people that want to should at least be able to. But you're SOL if your ISP doesn't want you to.
You do know that the FTC was regulating ISP's b4 NN ever came along, right? You are that informed & smart, right? Thing is, FTC wasn't Dem-controlled & doing their job to Neflix, etc. & Oabma's liking.
 
So you are fine with ISPs being able to regulate what information and content you are able to receive, which is what they were doing before the net neutrality laws were passed? That's called censorship buddy.
Sure I'm fine with it. It's their business, not yours. Censorship was already happening by Google et al. Let them & Netflix buy their own ISP at market price vs. having ISPs devalued by Obama & crowd. Just love how people are fine with stealing others assets.
 
Kentucky and my home state of Virginia one of 17 states suing in order to preserve net neutrality
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I get that. I also agree for the need to be fiscally conservative.

But neither of those have anything to do with why the Dems are furious about it.

Ot: will be interesting to see if resulting economic growth offsets the somewhat lack of cuts.
I know, but just because I disagree with something the Republicans are doing it doesn't mean my reasons are the same as what some Dems are saying.

Aside from inflation/deflation factors, it doesn't make sense to me to increase or decrease taxes without an comparable increase or decrease in spending. Rather I agree with the spending increases and decreases are going to or coming from, I at least want it o be equal. Otherwise, it's either profiting off the citizens for nothing other than profiting or going into debt for nothing other than going into debt.
 
I am, you're not. You're assuming that they're not going to do the right thing and fear mongering like a true liberal does. But, in the case your ISP messes around and blocks you from visiting your favorite KKK site, and it's that important to you, then cancel, pick up the phone and find a different ISP.

What you're also failing to realize is, ISP's will finally be getting a slice of the pie. They'll be incentives for them to do better, which will hopefully breed competition, resulting in better service, and more options. It's called doing business.

You never know, one might even actually make their bones on being the ISP who doesn't block KKK sites just to have an advantage over the competition. It'll be perfect for you.
I am assuming it because historically that's what ISPs have done. But you are also failing to realize the majority of America does not have access to more than one ISP. You can't pick up the phone and find a different ISP if another ISP does not exist in your area. What do you fail to understand? Competition can't fix something if competition doesn't exist.

So what market incentives are there to improve when someone has a monopoly? Do without? That's almost impossible for any modern American these days.

And for rural America that only has one ISP, there is virtually zero economic reason to invest in the infrastructure to bring another broadband internet provider to a community when it's going to be very difficult to make your money back. Hell, my town of approximately $8K people lost one ISP because the town proved to not be big enough to support two ISPs. The chances of another ISP coming here are extremely unlikely without government incentives.

Competition is great, but competition isn't always a reality. Stop living in a dream world.
 
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you realize you didnt answer any of the questions i asked?

ill reword the most important. why is the federal government better to "monitor" the interwebs than the private sector. what is the government better at than the private sector? WHAT if the government doesnt want us watching say..i dont know..propoganda video? visiting conspiracy thoery sites? what then?
Our government thus far has proven superior to the private sector at preventing ISPs from blocking and throttling websites. Sure, they can always demand blocking or throttling of of some websites and services, but they haven't yet (at least that we can prove). However, it's a fact that ISPs blocked and throttled certain websites and services prior to net neutrality rules.
 
One other about this, you do realize this has already happened, don't you? After Charlottesville their KKK site was completely kicked off of Go Daddy, then the rest of the liberal Silicon Valley banded together, vowing not to provide them a space and rid them from the Internet forver. They even admitted it was probably an infringement on their first amendment, but said they didn't care and were following through anyways. I bet you were outraged and fought them the way you're fighting this, weren't you?
I'm not exactly going to fight to support the KKK by any means, would be an incredibly stupid move for me professionally, but they should have the ability to have a website.
 
No, I actually work in the business. I don't need "talking points" to tell me how the insurance industry works. But keep taking those stupid pills because they are working real well for you.
For someone that supposedly works in the business you are completely ignorant of what is going on around the insurance circles.
 
So you are fine with ISPs being able to regulate what information and content you are able to receive, which is what they were doing before the net neutrality laws were passed? That's called censorship buddy.
That's rich ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
NN didn't affect rates/greed - "greed" meaning trying to make a buck (I get it.). That monopoly control you speak of is on local governments that granted it & can rescind it. No need for Feds to intervene.
Monopoly power is not always because of local governments. Most of rural America just doesn't have enough people to make it profitable for two ISPs to coexist. As I said in another post, my town of approximately 8K used to have two ISPs. One left town because it wasn't a profitable enough business with them having to share customers with another ISP. I can't fault them for doing that, but it sucks because the ISP we do have has gone to shit since they left and jacked up the prices as well. Nothing I can do about it though other than go without internet, which would cause me to lose my job.
 
The ISPs were already doing this greedy shit before the net neutrality laws were in place. What makes you so confident they won't again? Especially when you factor in most Americans live in areas where one ISP has monopoly control.
Well, it sucks bc the govt already regulates the hell out of everything and makes it hard for competition to begin with...so repealing this may not help...however, I'm fairly confident we would have already had fiber service in Lexington by now if it weren't for net neutrality
 
Fine, you're not from Boston. I'll take your word for it, and, in the future, will refrain from making such assumptions even though, well, your handle does have the word "Boston" in it. But, fine. I note that you didn't refute anything else. Can you cite one post of yours that is not leftist? Just one? (Note- claims to be Republican are not in and of themselves non-leftist posts, particularly when immediately belied by the substantive content of what comes next in the post).
He is a liberal pure and simple and everyone knows. He lives in his own little world of denying we know.
 
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Sure I'm fine with it. It's their business, not yours. Censorship was already happening by Google et al. Let them & Netflix buy their own ISP at market price vs. having ISPs devalued by Obama & crowd. Just love how people are fine with stealing others assets.
How is accessing a website stealing an asset when you are paying for internet access?
 
Well, it sucks bc the govt already regulates the hell out of everything and makes it hard for competition to begin with...so repealing this may not help...however, I'm fairly confident we would have already had fiber service in Lexington by now if it weren't for net neutrality
Why is that? I literally know nothing about the internet in Lexington.
 
Net Neutrality is unspoken law of internet
NN means all websites and all information is treated equally - if you have a 5 mbps connection you get a 5 mbps connection to wherever you want (so long as that website's servers can keep up), be it Google, kentucky.rivals, or moe's own autistic webpage with your blacked porn collection, etc.
Obama tries to make it into law
Verizon, Comcast, etc. want to get rid of it so they can charge you more money as well as big websites like YouTube, Netflix, etc. that eat up bandwidth
Google, Amazon, etc. want to keep the law so they don't get charged big bucks for their websites under the guise of "t-they'll take away your porn!"

But moe is completely for the NN repeal because he's a cuck who can't get enough of Trump's dick. Plus he's an edgelord who thrives on getting replies here. good god, almost 6000 posts in a year. how big a chair do you have to get to set in?
 
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