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How will they rule ??!

  • YES - Qualified

    Votes: 41 82.0%
  • NO - Disqualified

    Votes: 9 18.0%

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RCP's averages by state have flipped EV count back to Trump, 281-257, by now rating PA & GA for The Donald. Of course MTG & her crew could shutdown government & affect that. She needs to be hit upside the head with a 2x4.
 
German PM feeling heat over immigration.

Germany tightens controls at all borders in immigration crackdown


  • New border controls will initially last for six months
  • Deadly knife attacks have stoked concerns over immigration
  • Far-right AfD won a state election this month in Thuringia
  • Scholz's government tries to seize back the initiative
  • The new measures may test European unity
I'm returning back there come November.
 
she won’t be allowed to fail. all the lib women and soybois will have nothing but 😍😍 in their eyes for her no matter how she debates.
she’s going to remain strong with her base just as trump will with his.
can’t see tonight moving the needle much for either.

 
Yes it's a good distraction from the reality that a town of 60k now has 20k Haitian immigrants severely draining their social services
What's Going On in Springfield

Something extraordinary has happened in Springfield since the pandemic though, with the influx of thousands of Haitian immigrants. The actual number is hard to pin down. City officials have estimated up to 20,000, but estimates of 10,000 and 15,000 have also been made.

The New York Times reported last week, “By most accounts, the Haitians have helped revitalize Springfield. They are assembling car engines at Honda, running vegetable-packing machines at Dole and loading boxes at distribution centers. They are paying taxes on their wages and spending money at Walmart. On Sundays they gather at churches for boisterous, joyful services in Haitian Creole.

“But the speed and volume of arrivals have put pressure on housing, schools and hospitals. The community health clinic saw a 13-fold increase in Haitian patients between 2021 and 2023, from 115 to 1,500, overwhelming its staff and budget.”

The Times details how, after decades of shrinking and uncertainty, Springfield was able to attract new manufacturing and business with a strategic plan, and by 2020 had drawn in food-service firms, logistics companies, and a microchip maker, among others:

“But soon there were not enough workers. Many young, working-age people had descended into addiction. Others shunned entry-level, rote work altogether, employers said. Haitians who heard that the Springfield area boasted well-paying, blue-collar jobs and a low cost of living poured in, and employers were eager to hire and train the new work force. The Haitians had Social Security numbers and work permits, thanks to a federal program that offered them temporary protection in the United States. Some had been living for years in places like Florida, where there is a thriving Haitian community.”

So what, in fact, do we have going on here?

We have a large population increase over a short period of time; we have a language barrier that can cause various strains; we have housing, schooling, and health services that need adequate resources to deal with a massive and rapid adjustment.

We also have an eager, dutiful, law-abiding, and peaceful workforce helping revitalize a city and helping local businesses thrive; we have a city’s population swelling instead of declining; we have an influx of new taxpayers and consumers filling blue-collar jobs, paying property taxes, shopping at local stores, and contributing to their community.

Are there struggles? Absolutely.

Is it chaos and terror? Absolutely not.
 
No repercussions. They've gotten by with everything. Ever plot, ever lie, ever deception. They're embolden now and will not stop. They're no long just interested in power the Dems want absolute power.

They also want to see you (average Joe "fly-over state" conservative who loves thheir country, is self-sufficient and happy providing for his family, and basically just wants to be left alone living out his version of the American dream) suffer.
 
I suspect this is true of most, if not all, genuinely intelligent people on the left. Any intellectual honesty or integrity leads one inescapably to the conclusion that DJT will be much better for the country than the continuation of this incompetent and corrupt chitshow.

So what other things am I hearing about Donald Trump that are actually not true, right?For pretty much my entire life, the wages of workers were stagnant. Corporate profits were going up, and the size of the government was going up. There was a four-year period when workers' wages outpaced the size of government and corporate profits. It's the four years that Donald Trump was President. And I think that we have to, like, give some credit to where it's due. The policies actually work.If you go into the presidency, saying, I don't think Donald Trump's going to be a good president, and then, lo and behold, he's the best president, at least in a generation, it's like, Okay, time to change my mind, admit to myself, but also to all the people who listen to me, I was wrong about Donald Trump. He was a hell of a good president.I think that what doesn't make sense is the idea that Trump is more motivated by grievance than he is by the public interest. He's actually much more motivated by the public interest. That's the truth."
 
Isn't that the much better story? The pet eating story appeals to the loons and the racists, but turns off reasonable people (I know there are not many in this thread). A story about the effects of our recent immigration policy, though, has widespread appeal. And its a real issue that Harris would struggle to answer.

Are you suggesting that the Haitians, who just recently were all over all media for cannibal.gangs in port-au-prince, and that 40% practice voodoo, don't sacrifice and eat animals?

I don't mean just pigs and goats either.

Come on, man!
 
I suspect this is true of most, if not all, genuinely intelligent people on the left. Any intellectual honesty or integrity leads one inescapably to the conclusion that DJT will be much better for the country than the continuation of this incompetent and corrupt chitshow.

So what other things am I hearing about Donald Trump that are actually not true, right?For pretty much my entire life, the wages of workers were stagnant. Corporate profits were going up, and the size of the government was going up. There was a four-year period when workers' wages outpaced the size of government and corporate profits. It's the four years that Donald Trump was President. And I think that we have to, like, give some credit to where it's due. The policies actually work.If you go into the presidency, saying, I don't think Donald Trump's going to be a good president, and then, lo and behold, he's the best president, at least in a generation, it's like, Okay, time to change my mind, admit to myself, but also to all the people who listen to me, I was wrong about Donald Trump. He was a hell of a good president.I think that what doesn't make sense is the idea that Trump is more motivated by grievance than he is by the public interest. He's actually much more motivated by the public interest. That's the truth."
LOL the dems are now saying Trump is too old and incompetent. Did you know he had to be helped off stage and mumbles his words?

The ONLY time my president had to be helped off stage was due to THEIR failed assassination attempt, and his words could not be more clear!
 
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Are you suggesting that the Haitians, who just recently were all over all media for cannibal.gangs in port-au-prince, and that 40% practice voodoo, don't sacrifice and eat animals?

I don't mean just pigs and goats either.

Come on, man!

Yeah, must just be racism; rank racism rearing it's ugly head again! That's it. :rolleyes:

‘They’re in the park grabbing up ducks’


The craze began with an August meeting of the Springfield City Commission, where a 28-year-old man claimed — without evidence — that Haitian migrants were beheading ducks at local parks and taking them home to eat.


“They’re in the park grabbing up ducks by they neck and cutting they head off and walking up with them and eating them,” the man said, imploring the commission to rein in the migrants.



A 28-year-old man made the claim that migrants were stealing ducks at a Springfield City Commission meeting in August.
 
So y’all ready to say I’m right now about Dems absorbing the defense and business communities since Trump’s Reps kicked them out? It’s almost like I proactively predict these things years in advance because I know what’s going on. As opposed to just reacting to the events of each passing day on instinct like the reactionaries around here. Go make some cat memes, more your speed.

Yeah, no one besides Dion saw the democrats as the party of the MIC, big pharma, big censorship, etc. the past few years. Great insight. Can’t believe no one else pointed that out.
 
LOL the dems are now say Trump is too old and incompetent. Did you know he had to be helped off stage and mumbles his words?

The ONLY time my president had to be helped off stage was due to THEIR failed assassination attempt, and his words could not be more clear!

There are many ways they lie, many layers to their duplicity. There are the gaslighters, and the gaslit.
 
Are you suggesting that the Haitians, who just recently were all over all media for cannibal.gangs in port-au-prince, and that 40% practice voodoo, don't sacrifice and eat animals?

I don't mean just pigs and goats either.

Come on, man!
Haiti has been a staggering tragedy since forever. Don't go there. Recently, there have been a couple of thousand deaths due to gang violence.

There is a civil war in Sudan. Millions displaced. More then 20,000 killed. Or more.

Since there hadn't been enough bloodshed in the world, Putin reignited Russian dreams of empire and invaded Ukraine. 15000 deaths. 500,000 casualties. That kind of dwarfs the situation in Haiti.

Do you think that someone could snap their fingers and the evil in the world would end?
 
Isn't that the much better story? The pet eating story appeals to the loons and the racists, but turns off reasonable people (I know there are not many in this thread). A story about the effects of our recent immigration policy, though, has widespread appeal. And its a real issue that Harris would struggle to answer.


I think we all wish we lived in a world we could discuss immigration policy reasonably.

But we don’t.

So the meme wars continue.

Same bullshit with “tax cuts for the rich.” Some of us would love to discuss actual tax policy, but that’s not the world we live in.
 
Haiti has been a staggering tragedy since forever. Don't go there. Recently, there have been a couple of thousand deaths due to gang violence.

There is a civil war in Sudan. Millions displaced. More then 20,000 killed. Or more.

Since there hadn't been enough bloodshed in the world, Putin reignited Russian dreams of empire and invaded Ukraine. 15000 deaths. 500,000 casualties. That kind of dwarfs the situation in Haiti.

Do you think that someone could snap their fingers and the evil in the world would end?

Someone could snap their fingers and the Haitian evil would stay in Haiti. Not hop on US taxpayer finder flights to be dropped off in Ohio.
 
Yeah, must just be racism; rank racism rearing it's ugly head again! That's it. :rolleyes:

‘They’re in the park grabbing up ducks’


The craze began with an August meeting of the Springfield City Commission, where a 28-year-old man claimed — without evidence — that Haitian migrants were beheading ducks at local parks and taking them home to eat.


“They’re in the park grabbing up ducks by they neck and cutting they head off and walking up with them and eating them,” the man said, imploring the commission to rein in the migrants.



A 28-year-old man made the claim that migrants were stealing ducks at a Springfield City Commission meeting in August.

Hey, duck is a tasty bird, but There's a time and place here. I've told many a duck my exgf was feeding that she's just fattening you up for me, but I never actually followed through, lol.
 
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Personally the big story to me is illegal aliens being imported in for the specific purpose of taking American jobs at a rate of 80%. Good factory jobs that are not even advertised to Americans.
For 18 months, I supplied IT support at a local receiving and shipping warehouse. Only building maintenance, supervisors and management were locals. All warehouse labor were immigrants sponsored by Catholic Charities. The warehouse was shut down almost a year ago.

The immigrants were multiple nationalities and many had limited English skills. The onsite HR rep had a long list of languages with an associated phone number to call if an interpreter was needed.

In the restrooms, they had a picture showing not to put your feet on the seat and squat. Another picture showing how to sit your butt on the seat.
 
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Haiti has been a staggering tragedy since forever. Don't go there. Recently, there have been a couple of thousand deaths due to gang violence.

There is a civil war in Sudan. Millions displaced. More then 20,000 killed. Or more.

Since there hadn't been enough bloodshed in the world, Putin reignited Russian dreams of empire and invaded Ukraine. 15000 deaths. 500,000 casualties. That kind of dwarfs the situation in Haiti.

Do you think that someone could snap their fingers and the evil in the world would end?
Kinda like it's a shithole country.
 
Hey, duck is a tasty bird, but There's a time and place here. I've told many a duck my exgf was feeding that she's just fattening you up for me, but I never actually followed through, lol.

Never had it, and a very good chance I never will. My menu road is very narrow at best. I jokingly tell my wife all the time, let's raise our on beef and pork, only to get a very snappy quick reply, "we don't need them as pet's". She is very right, no way could I slaughter something to eat or catch a fish to eat. Reckon I would have starved to death if I lived in the old days or raised on a farm. I know that sounds effed up but that's just me.
 
I guess my perspective comes from the fact that there are tons of Haitians here in South Florida so I don’t think of them as subhuman.
 
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Never had it, and a very good chance I never will. My menu road is very narrow at best. I jokingly tell my wife all the time, let's raise our on beef and pork, only to get a very snappy quick reply, "we don't need them as pet's". She is very right, no way could I slaughter something to eat or catch a fish to eat. Reckon I would have starved to death if I lived in the old days or raised on a farm. I know that sounds effed up but that's just me.

At least you know who you are. "A man's got to know his limitations..."
 
I think we all wish we lived in a world we could discuss immigration policy reasonably.

But we don’t.

So the meme wars continue.

Same bullshit with “tax cuts for the rich.” Some of us would love to discuss actual tax policy, but that’s not the world we live in.

Imagine if we just left the bullshtters (who have what they have because of capitalism) out of the conversation! That's where it needs to start and end. Reasoning is not found on the left nor with their sympathetic RINOs and CINOs. If it was up to them, America would never have been exceptional much less settled.
 
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