Sen. Fetterman was just now on Jessie Watters. I gotta admit, he is a good dude. Hard not to like him and appreciate the battle he had with his stroke. He doesn't seem to be a liar and crook like so many in the congress.
JMHO
JMHO
Your cognitive dissonance is forcing you to crack jokes instead of face reality. And you aren't the very model of a modern Major General. Answer the question.
Answer the question my man. Who counts the votes?I've watched Biden (and quite literally, every POTUS in my lifetime, try to run rough-shod over the Constitution. It's a favorite past-time of Presidents. It's practically a tradition. That's why we have it, and separation of powers.
You've been dispatched. Run along.
That's not what @HymanKaplan just said. And stfu Donny.
How tf is it "the same thing"? Jan 6th people did that shit. Whether you think they should be prosecuted for it is a legitimate question, but it isn't "the same thing" as holding and torturing people who did LITERALLY NOTHING and were completely falsely accused.
No, he, correctly, said this:no that is not what he said. He said Mike Pence couldn’t overturn the election. That is true. But there is recourse of an election that is fraudulently stolen
The electoral votes sent to Congress are irrevocable. PERIOD.
Well, I guess anyone can. They're public record. I already suggested the Exchequer, but I guess anyone that has a pad and a pencil could do it. Or an intern with a chalkboard. Or someone with a tablet. Maybe a wax tablet with a sharpened reed?Answer the question my man. Who counts the votes?
I specifically said in the very post you quoted, "Whether you think they should be prosecuted for it is a legitimate question". Whether they should or should not be prosecuted is irrelevant to the fact of whether or not they actually did it. Which they did.Of course you think the Biden DOJ was justified in imprisoning its political opponents.
I’m sure you also think Bannon and Navarro belong in jail, and Garland is fully justified ignoring subpoenas. Etc.
Jews are the only people who wrongfully imprison anyone.
The Constitution specifies it can only be one person: "The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted." No one else. Looks like your accusation of making up fantasies was classic projection.Well, I guess anyone can. They're public record. I already suggested the Exchequer, but I guess anyone that has a pad and a pencil could do it. Or an intern with a chalkboard. Or someone with a tablet. Maybe a wax tablet with a sharpened reed?
No. The President of the Senate counts them as part of that clause. From the very first presidential election. The Electoral Count Act, which you already referenced yourself, reinforces that in its power of law as well, so arguing that supposed ambiguity is already a nonstarter.That just says the President of the Senate, in the the presense of the Senate and HOR shall OPEN the Certificates. It doesn't say who COUNTS them.
So, like I said, it could be any of my suggestions above. (mic drop)
You have only proven yourself to be ignorant of our Constitution. Again you just try to run away because you have no answer. It would've been an immediate constitutional crisis that we have no answers for. The only other vaguely similar situation was the contested election of 1876 which was only resolved through shady backroom deals that would never fly today. The entire point of writing the Electoral Count Act was so this would never be attempted again. But it was, in an even worse and more nefarious way than the racist postwar South tried it.I have handed you your ass all evening. You know it, I know it, the people know it. LOL
God help us if Dion ever gets elected. The bureaucratic minutae will be the likes never before seen by mankind. LOL
Mods, feel free to remove this entire argument. I'm half tempted to ban Dion, AND myself (for continuing on with this nonsense)
getting ready in michigan
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Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer signs controversial election recount, fraud bills into law
Michigan’s process of handling election recounts and fraud allegations has changed, with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer signing two controversial bills into law Monday.nypost.com
“the law will eliminate the board of canvasser’s investigative powers, instead requiring the board to refer any allegations of fraud to the relevant county prosecutor, rather than conducting a recount.
Only alleged errors could merit a recount, and only when the alleged errors could potentially change election results.”
You have only proven yourself to be ignorant of our Constitution. Again you just try to run away because you have no answer. It would've been an immediate constitutional crisis that we have no answers for. The only other vaguely similar situation was the contested election of 1876 which was only resolved through shady backroom deals that would never fly today. The entire point of writing the Electoral Count Act was so this would never be attempted again. But it was, in an even worse and more nefarious way than the racist postwar South tried it.
The Teller records the votes that are read out by the President of the Senate. You're just reinforcing my point by highlighting that conflict, what would have happened had Pence read out Trump's fakes? Would the Tellers be forced to record them? Could they even record the real ones since they weren't read out by Pence at all? It's totally unresolved and complete chaos.Actually, the clerk tallies and counts the votes, which are then verified and signed bubba. The Senate President presides over the count "ministerially" (that means he says the votes aloud)
Wrong at every single turn, you are...
The clerk records the votes that are read out by the President of the Senate. You're just reinforcing my point by highlighting that conflict, what would have happened had Pence read out Trump's fakes? Would the clerk be forced to record them? Could they even record the real ones since they weren't read out by Pence at all? It's totally unresolved and complete chaos.
I hope you're triple boosted.If say 80% of the people took the vax, then you'd expect to see 4x the number, "a lot of problems", from people who took the vax, everything else equal. So yep, should see a lot of problems from those that took the vax. Means dick sh!t.
Ok cool. How do I get my ballot to vote for Le Pen in France? It would be bigoted for them to only allow the French to vote in the election over there.
Imagine having millions of people overrun your border and your government hiding and lying the truth at every turn…..Trying to get your VP to acknowledge fake electors you organized and unilaterally just gavel you re-elected when you weren't, is not "just fine". It's the end of our constitutional republic had he acquiesced.
Also, he was awesome in Goonies. (kidding. I get what you mean. He is turning into a sensible Democrat. He's got an open mind, which is rare for either party)Sen. Fetterman was just now on Jessie Watters. I gotta admit, he is a good dude. Hard not to like him and appreciate the battle he had with his stroke. He doesn't seem to be a liar and crook like so many in the congress.
JMHO
More deflections and insults. Obviously people would notice. Democrats would've been justifiably outraged and chaos would've ensued. To be resolved exactly how?Yes, nobody would notice if Pence started spouting off invalid electoral results. LOL (and they are checked and verified) LOL
No disrespect, but were you ever tested for Asperger's? (it's never too late)
You’re asking for links from the media that has lied about everything for years? What does Snopes say, Karl?Really? Jan 6th defendants have been tortured and beaten in US custody? Links?
It's all in your mind my man. All in your mind. that wasn't an insult. I'm truly concerned about you. the repetitive thinking is not a good sign.More deflections and insults. Obviously people would notice. Democrats would've been justifiably outraged and chaos would've ensued. To be resolved exactly how?
😂@Dionysus444 and @sammysdad05 will hate this...bc its not a hysterical take of what something actually says. Ie project 2025
The alternate electors were for future and ongoing court cases. j6 riots made sure that no judge was going to hear those cases in good faith. Three times the US has refused electors until a court decided on who won. Nixon actually rejected his winning of Hawaii due to some shady stuff alleged. Dems were given the win in Hawaii even though Nixon had won on election day. People that act like this isn't something that was well known in DC just haven't read up on it.https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/22/politics/trump-pence-election-memo-fact-check/index.html
Take a gander.
Here are the salient points:
“Every state certified one and only one slate of presidential electors based on the 2020 election results,” Elie Honig, a CNN senior legal analyst and former federal and state prosecutor, told CNN. “What states (is Eastman) talking about? What dual slates?”
“That’s just conjured out of thin air,” Honig said.
In fact, no state had actually put forward an alternate slate of electors – there were merely Trump allies claiming without any authority to be electors.
According to Richard Pildes, a professor of Constitutional law at New York University, the argument from Eastman is “fundamentally wrong.”
“This memo basically argues that any random group of persons in a state can submit a paper to Congress claiming to be the true electors of a state,” Pildes told CNN, “and that the vice president can then use that as a basis to throw out the votes of those states.”
Eastman later told The Washington Post he had advised Pence not to use the foundational tactic he spelled out in his own memo, telling him “not to act on the basis of the dueling electors”…because, as he told the Post, “at that point, no legislature had certified an alternative slate of electors.”
In an interview with CNN Tuesday, Eastman said he had told Pence it was an open question whether he had the authority to unilaterally set aside slates of electors, but that it would be “foolish” to exercise that power because state legislatures had not certified the alternate slates put forward by Trump allies.
State officials had already certified the results of the election, electors had already cast their votes in the Electoral College and there was no dispute over the assigned electors. Eastman’s memo suggests that Pence dismiss the election results in seven states based on a completely made-up scenario.
Look, I know you think human history began the instant you were born, but it there is in actuality a long a storied history of authorities repressing their people. I am not going to take our relative position of power provided to us by our Constitution for granted. Our rights are extremely valuable and what distinguish us. Now look who's the 'America hater'...Imagine having millions of people overrun your border and your government hiding and lying the truth at every turn…..
and believing there’s still a constitutional republic.
Where does it say “count”?The Constitution specifies it can only be one person: "The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted." No one else. Looks like your accusation of making up fantasies was classic projection.