POLITICAL THREAD

[KAB Cats]

Do you think Trump should be able to have his DOJ and friendly courts imprison Joe Biden for his administrations criminal negligence at the border? (As an example)

There are plenty of things the Biden admin has done that are far less of a stretch to get to criminality than making a constitutional argument about electors.

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

 

[KAB Cats]

Can you try and restate that in a coherent manner?

Let me simplify it for you. If your goal is to limit Presidential corruption (despite your assumption of conspiracy), the act of removing accountability for the President quite literally is the inverse of your end-goal. It's mental gymnastics.

 

[Marleydogg]

“With fear for our democracy, I dissent.” OUCH

Well, considering we AREN'T a 'democracy'....

I could give a shit about her fear.

 

[Marleydogg]

sammysdad has a limitless capacity for hyperbole.

Well considering he's the sock account of PLAT/J EDGAR HOOVER it's expected.

 

[sammysdad05]

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

Don’t forget his fake elector scheme, etc. The list goes on. He can just say it’s official and he’s good. Of all people to give immunity to, Trump is the last person that should get it. Despite what he’s convinced you guys of, no one cares less about his country, his family or anything else not named Donald Trump. His sole existence is to make himself happy, make more money, and get more power no matter how he has to get it. Just look at his past. It’s littered with crazy incidents and examples that drove lawsuits and other legal actions. His family hates him. He will step on anyone or any rule that gets in his way. He’s the last person that needs immunity. But congrats on owning the libs.

Sorry for all the hyperbole.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

First off, you’re completely misreading the case based on the analysis I’ve read, though I’ve admittedly not read the case yet. Presidents can’t just unilaterally deem all actions official. The case has been remanded to build the record and make those determinations.

Second, the “find votes” example is a perfect example why presidents need limited immunity. It’s clear to any objective observer, in context, Trump was talking about fraud in Georgia, how there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots, but they only need to find 11,000 of them to prove the election was impacted. Anyone with a brain knows what he was talking about in context. You want him criminally prosecuted by his political opponents. Whether discussing protecting the integrity of our elections is within the scope of a president’s official duties is TBD.

President Donald Trump: OK, whatever. It’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. Look, here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it in on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures.

But in, in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed, and you have many that are forgeries. OK? You know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at eleven thousand seven seventy nine within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt. And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you and you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before.

 

[Bill Cosby]

Let me simplify it for you. If your goal is to limit Presidential corruption (despite your assumption of conspiracy), the act of removing accountability for the President quite literally is the inverse of your end-goal. It's mental gymnastics.

Accountability is not removed. There’s the impeachment process, as well as criminal prosecution for acts that are outside the scope of official duties. Criminal prosecution for constitutionally mandated of official acts is no longer on the table.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Okay, assume it’s today. Away from being “cute”, Joe Biden now has ability to make any “official” decision or action w/ out accountability. It’s an indefensible ruling only supported because of litigation against Donald Trump. Very short sighted

As Biden did yesterday. I believe you are very short sighted and I believe most people believed, post Fitzgerald, that Presidents could make executive decisions without the fear of civil or criminal liability, but with the understanding that they could be impeached.

Under your plan, every change in executive political power would beg the question as to whether the new administration would be filing charges for some executive decision of the predecessor, now that the Dems broke the ice and started this.

 

[sefus12]

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This guy needs to be in a straight jacket. The fact that Trump, who did nothing other than say things that hurt them in their feelings while making the economy a lot better and our wold safer, has completely fried their brains is mind-boggling. I hope there are actual, real studies (not the fake enviro-style “science”) to try and figure out how Trump mind f*cked so many people so incredibly hard.

 

[Marleydogg]

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

Did it ever dawn on you liberal idiots the 'find me 11k votes' call referred to disqualified ballots due to voter being dead, moved out of state etc etc?

I think I've figured it out.

Liberals have no sense of humor, no intelligence and not a general clue about anything. It's why they have so much hate in their minds.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

Codified?

If Trump was acting as president, he is immune. If he was acting outside of the executive, he is not. (Without distinguishing between constitutional authority and all other official acts)

 

[Marleydogg]

First off, you’re completely misreading the case based on the analysis I’ve read, though I’ve admittedly not read the case yet. Presidents can’t just unilaterally deem all actions official. The case has been remanded to build the record and make those determinations.

Second, the “find votes” example is a perfect example why presidents need limited immunity. It’s clear to any objective observer, in context, Trump was talking about fraud in Georgia, how there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots, but they only need to find 11,000 of them to prove the election was impacted. Anyone with a brain knows what he was talking about in context. You want him criminally prosecuted by his political opponents. Whether discussing protecting the integrity of our elections is within the scope of a president’s official duties is TBD.

President Donald Trump: OK, whatever. It’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. Look, here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it in on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures.

But in, in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed, and you have many that are forgeries. OK? You know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at eleven thousand seven seventy nine within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt. And they’re going around playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you and you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before.

How hard is it for them to understand?

I mean a toddler could figure out what he meant.

Not the liberals here, though.

Astonishing levels of stupid.

 

[blubo]

It's remarkable; just how poorly the massively coordinated and expansive plan by the left, to erase Trump has gone.

You could say that it is singularly personified by Barney Fife, shooting himself in the foot.

Sorry Dems, you're about to have all but one of your bullets taken away, and the one you get to keep has to remain in your pocket.

i pray you’re right but i’m not comfortably confident yet.

 

[Bill Cosby]

How hard is it for them to understand?

I mean a toddler could figure out what he meant.

Not the liberals here, though.

Astonishing levels of stupid.

There’s no way any of them have actually ever heard the call or read the transcript.

The same way their never going to read the immunity case and will forever base their analysis on radical left wing commentary.

 

[JumperJack]

 

[KAB Cats]

Codified?

If Trump was acting as president, he is immune. If he was acting outside of the executive, he is not. (Without distinguishing between constitutional authority and all other official acts)

So, if Trump “hypothetically” tried to subvert the electoral system and abused his authority to pressure elections officials to find votes (all the while claiming it’s the other party who cheated), would you say this is an official or “unofficial” act?

 

[Marleydogg]

So, if Trump “hypothetically” tried to subvert the electoral system and abused his authority to pressure elections officials to find votes (all the while claiming it’s the other party who cheated), would you say this is an official or “unofficial” act?

Finding votes that were improperly counted?

Fine people on both sides, derp derp

 

[Marleydogg]

How much would you like to bet KAB has at some point accused Trump of telling people to 'drink bleach'?

🤣

 

[TheFrontRunner]

 

[AustinTXCat]

Say whatever you want about academia, Ranked Choice Voting passed in Alaska and Alaska is markedly not all leftist academics.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Of course Trump should not be able to imprison Joe Biden unless Joe Biden broke the law and was found guilty of breaking the law by a jury.

However, with this ruling, now both actions are codified as being able to take place legally and lawfully as long as deemed an official decision. Not even via jury decision but by direct action from the executive at the behest of the judicial branch. So, if Joe Biden is in fact targeting political rivals, now it's fully with in his power to do so if deemed official.

And this applies both now and to every future President.

You merely celebrate it because as Trump supporter, it potentially absconds him from criminal proceedings involving his recorded phone calls to the Georgia prosecutor to "find votes". Essentially, any potential action for accountability is rolled into executive privilege (all because Donald Trump could potentially be found guilty by a jury of peers). No one should celebrate this and the only reason it is celebrated is because it may help the Trump campaign.

The SCOTUS disagrees with you councilor.

I would love to hear your view as to Trump DOJ going after Obama for killing an American citizen overseas in violation of US law. This will never end because every POTUS takes actions that will open them to prosecution politically by the next admin. This will NEVER end.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

So, if Trump “hypothetically” tried to subvert the electoral system and abused his authority to pressure elections officials to find votes (all the while claiming it’s the other party who cheated), would you say this is an official or “unofficial” act?

It was and the remedy is Impeachment.

 

[warrior-cat]

False

You're not authorized to use that term since it is used when a post/information is wrong. You are never correct and are completely clueless to reality so... that privilege is revoked.

 

[dukesince91]

Not so sure. Dumbazz Biden and his wife seem to be digging in their heels. I will lose all respect for him if he doesn't resign.

How have you not lost all respect by now?

 

[ukalumni00]

November is going to be glorious

Hope you are right but I put nothing past these commies from now until then.

 

[Bill Cosby]

So, if Trump “hypothetically” tried to subvert the electoral system and abused his authority to pressure elections officials to find votes (all the while claiming it’s the other party who cheated), would you say this is an official or “unofficial” act?

Have you read the transcript of the call? You sound outrageously ignorant.

You are probably one of the people who was surprised by Biden’s cognitive decline he showed in the debate, yet still refuses to reevaluate everything else the media has lied to you about.

You’d be much better off if you looked at source data, not media or left wing Twitter analysis.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Did it ever dawn on you liberal idiots the 'find me 11k votes' call referred to disqualified ballots due to voter being dead, moved out of state etc etc?

I think I've figured it out.

Liberals have no sense of humor, no intelligence and not a general clue about anything. It's why they have so much hate in their minds.

Find does not = manufacture or to fabricate. They did not find any so we are where we find ourselves today. But it certainly is in his official capacity to monitor a fair election.

 

[Bill Cosby]

How have you not lost all respect by now?

The lefties have a very high tolerance for men who take showers with their daughters at inappropriate ages and leave them scarred for life.

 

[SDC888]

 

[blubo]

you go girls. now go make a video of you all making sammishes

 

[DrH. Lecter]

It's remarkable; just how poorly the massively coordinated and expansive plan by the left, to erase Trump has gone.

You could say that it is singularly personified by Barney Fife, shooting himself in the foot.

Sorry Dems, you're about to have all but one of your bullets taken away, and the one you get to keep has to remain in your pocket.

Leftists fail at everything they do. Incompetence is their middle name. But one thing is clear. They are ruthless and will exterminate Biden if he does not get out of their way. His useful idiocy will no longer save him.

Expect the left to throw mountains of cash at the Biden family to buy his standing down. Then they have to figure out how to do away with Kamala. That will be their next mountain to climb.

 

[JumperJack]

Stakes are even higher now that the SCOTUS have said we are electing a King in November instead of a President.

Years from now people are going to wonder how the institutions of this country came tumbling down for of all people the host of a reality TV show and not an important person. Crazy times.

They are literally guaranteeing something that was already accepted- immunity in doing the job of an executive.

If, years from now, people have regained the ability to think for themselves, they will wonder why it took a tv host to wrest the machinery of government away from those who had twisted it away from its’ original form.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

you go girls. now go make a video of you all making sammishes

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I am hoping that AOC joins in. And to circle back to a previous discussion...we could learn if Pelosi-galore had to pay for hers.

 

[JumperJack]

I haven’t read the case yet, but curious how you’re coming to the conclusion we elect a king based on your reading of it?

My understanding was they ruled, like with civil liability, the president has immunity when actions were taken in his official capacity as president, and now it’s going back to the corrupt DC judge to build the record that all of his actions were outside his official capacity.

You guys are still going to convict him, it’s just going to take longer.

That’s not the problem. The problem is that they can’t use this to interfere in this election. They don’t give a shit about law, order, the Constitution, or anything else.

They were just exposed as horrific liars after the debate, with no moral leg to stand on. Now, they squeak like mice about morals and democracy.

 

[SDC888]

 

[JumperJack]

Yeah nothing says hyperbole like quoting the SCOTUS justice.

She’s a clown, dude. Haven’t you picked up on that? What kind of “Justice” writes imaginary fan fiction as a dissent?

 

[warrior-cat]

How much would you like to bet KAB has at some point accused Trump of telling people to 'drink bleach'?

🤣

Yes, and he also believed the "vaccine" garbage and is now suffering mental illness due to it. He was one of the ones chanting let's go Brandon until they finally told him what it meant.

 

[Bill Cosby]

You know what’s not within the official acts of a president? Being a mentally incompetent figure head for the people actually running the country.

Obviously one prosecutor has already stated Biden is too mentally incompetent to stand trial. But every single person in the White House knowingly participating in this charade should be charged with treason.

 

[UKBrassowTipIN]

Except that’s what happened with Lot so what’s the point? Again who is good enough to teach the Bible in public schools. Again, we’re talking public schools.

Anyway, when are you chanting for obama to get locked up for his drone strike on an American citizen without due process? No immunity!

 

[JumperJack]

Anyone who thinks Biden can now drone Trump because of this SCOTUS ruling is quite literally retarded.

Nope, pretty sure that’s what they literally think. The idiot justice WROTE it.

These people have been reduced to sheep.