This does nothing to show success from the owner's standpoint. If anything it feeds the argument that high school players were drafted too high and took the franchises for significantly more money than they were worth to them.
Pitino thinks NBA will allow players to be drafted from high school again
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Your numbers are skewed when you include surefire superstars like LeBron, Howard, Garnett, etc. who would have been a top pick and a stud regardless of where they were taken. The best comparison is guys who were taken mid to late first round who turned out be good flops. I'm not weighing in either way because I don't know the facts, but I'm just pointing out the flaws in your logic.
Who? 24 of 37 rate among the top 20 players in their draft class. Who were these guys they were passing on to gamble on HS players?
If there's a surefire superstar 50% of the time, how is that skewed? Isn't that more of an indication that it's idiotic to exclude HS players from the draft? I mean, if every other year you're going to get a superstar, that's a pretty strong argument that college basketball means very little.
Who were those 24 taken ahead of behind in those draft classes. It's not about whether they were or were not good enough for the NBA. It's about where they were taken in respect to the others around them.
I've read the thread and I still haven't seen any logic that overrules the NBA's original decision to implement one and done. All you've done is list guys that had a relatively lengthy career, most of which were marginal with the exception of a few superstars. How about some data that shows that drafts picks were better evaluated from 95-2005 than from 2006-2017?
That's 2 different things. Although the "most of which were marginal" statement seems to indicate that you have trouble reading.
The idea I'm addressing is that HS draftees flopped or were bad value as draft picks at a rate beyond normal draft picks. That's completely, totally absurd.
As for "better evaluated"? Who the hell knows? Teams were more cautious about taking HS players, and in being more cautious, got better value BY EVERY POSSIBLE OBJECTIVE MEASURE.
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How can one be a "good flop" if taken mid to late first round??? That makes no sense. If you are taken mid to late first and are a contributor that's a good pick , no one expects a star in that range , there have been exceptions but not the norm.
That's not me silly! I copied and pasted that from an article. Do you think " This column will examine 40 players that jumped from high school and played at least one minute in" when I post on message boards that I say, This column will" O boy, several people have told you that you are wrong and you keep referencing your message board post. Are you that vain. "It has to be true, I put it in my post on rupps rafters" Ok buddy
This is about the NBA making the rules , not about wether a player turns out as good as they ( the player) think they are. For example Al Harrinton might have believed he was going to be a star , but obviously the NBA didn't , they drafted him 25th and he way out performed that draft position. If you look at the history that I posted , you'll find that the highschool players overwhelmingly out performed their draft position.
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/index.html
http://www.nbadraft.net/nba_draft_history/index.html
The CBA runs through 2023 so this couldn't be changed until 2024 when Pitino is well into his 70's and will likely no longer be coaching.
I only copy and pasted part of the article
I only copied and pasted part of the article. You can google it under 40 players that jumped from high school to the NBA
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I'm not vain. I just don't like fools who completely ignore the facts that I place right in front of their faces. I mean gee, the only evidence for what I'm talking about that I've offered is a complete list of every single guy drafted out of HS from 95-2005, the names of the 5 of them Basketball Reference rates as the best in their draft classes, the names of the 19 others that Basketball Reference rates as being among the 20 best players in their draft class, and the career NBA earnings of all 37.
I know, it's so little to throw up against your argument, for which you offer no evidence, the main point seeming to be that the NBA changed the rule, so they think it must be better for them (to which I say, "No sh**, Sherlock")- a totally separate idea than what I am talking about, which is the mythology that a whole bunch of guys drafted out of HS underachieved (the exact opposite is true), and that teenage kids were just willy-nilly entering the draft and getting casually tossed aside and left with nothing (yet 32 of the 37 made at least 10 million dollars in the NBA, or 32/43, if you want to count the 6 guys who entered out of HS but went undrafted).
So I'd love to know what I'm wrong about.
You are not vain, but you like your own damn post. That is rich! You and 1War are the same person, that is obvious. Read that article, it tells you about multiple kids who did not get drafted, and as another poster told you, the fact the NBA overpaid these kids only supports my argument. These are your words "I'm not vain. I just don't like fools who completely ignore the facts that I place right in front of their faces." Let me translate that for you, You are a fool because you don't believe what I post. Not vain at all. The fact is, we are not going to agree, and the fact remains the NBA agrees with me.
Wait , what????? Me and somebody else are the same person??? Wow , I agree with much of What mj post but I always assumed he was a white guy. Maybe I can start enjoying that priviledge.
These kids were overpaid is an opinion , not a fact that very few would share relative to basketball contracts , only people who believe all NBA players are overpaid. You never posted a link to anything , I did post draft history , these guys clearly were paid what the market dictated. When evaluating players contracts , you have to factor in draft position, ie....Harrington at 25, Oneal at 17, Kobe at 13, Telfair at 19, Mgrady at 7 , astevenson at 25 , Garnett at 5, Montae Ellis in the second round, etc...... where are the overpaid players........ or the mis evaluations? The players who couldn't play went second round or undrafted, I'll give you Kwame but that was not the norm.
I was focusing on over evaluations, I gave plenty of examples of mis evaluations. All those players should have gone higher than they did.
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Who didn't get drafted? 6 guys that I already named. Any other number is a lie.
And who was overpaid on that list? Robert Swift, Darius Miles, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, probably a few others. OK. But I have news for you- no one on that list made 50 million dollars on a rookie contract. The rookie cap was in place the entire span of 95-05. Any player making 50 mill +, WHICH WAS 19 OUT OF 37 HS PLAYERS DRAFTED FROM 95-2005, did so on 2nd and 3rd (and beyond) contracts given to him because somebody in the league thought he was a valuable asset. You don't sucker teams into paying you 50 million dollars because you're an 18 year old with big potential (at least not without showing something during your first 3 years as a pro).
"Belief" has nothing to do with ignoring all facts. It's just an excuse for being ignorant yet still insisting that you're correct (because you believe it).
I "believe" that you just hate the idea of HS guys going to straight to the pros. And that's absolutely fine. You're more than entitled to feel that way. Just stop trying to pretend there's much more behind it than that. Because there isn't.
You are wrong in your strategy for persuading others that your position is correct. You would last about half a second in any board room or client meeting with your horrible disposition and attitude.
You could remove the unneeded insults in all of your comments on this thread and maybe, just maybe, people would be more open to your position. Stating that people have reading comprehension skills, when in fact they just don't agree with you, shows YOU to have issues comprehending logic.
What a horrible person you must be to interact with every day.
I don't care. There is no "agreement" involved here, or really any kind of "position". I have all facts correct, I am right. Period.
If someone wants to tell me they believe the Earth is flat, despite all available evidence, I'm not going to try to persuade them. I'm going to consider them an idiot, and if they want to argue about it, tell them that I consider them an idiot.
I'm aware that a whole lot of people hated HS kids going straight to the pros. And all kinds of rational arguments can be made about why it's a good thing that rules were changed to stop it from happening. But those arguments cease to be rational when they ignore the reality of what happened with the 37 guys who were drafted just because that reality doesn't mesh with the idea that drafting HS kids was a fiasco for everyone involved.
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