Pitino thinks NBA will allow players to be drafted from high school again

[Smashcat]

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...n-allow-players-to-go-pro-out-of-high-school/

Rick Pitino says major change could be coming to the NBA and to college basketball by 2019.

Pitino spoke with Marty Smith of ESPN, and in a video posted Friday, Pitino gave his opinion on the one-and-done nature of college basketball in addition the rule change he thinks NBA commissioner Adam Silver will catalyze in the coming two years.

 

[wromanp7]

ts;dr

 

[wromanp7]

(too slimy)

 

[cawoodsct]

The change, if it happens, won't hurt or help us, imo.

 

[Kentucky fan 1989]

He wishes.

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

Funny thing is, Pitino would stop getting the occasional top 15 player and get bumped to the occasional top 25-50 player after UK, Duke, AZ, etc had their pick.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

Pitino is definitely hoping for it.

They may or may not. But Pitino doesnt know. He has no inside info

 

[DerekMcPwn]

He also thinks Louisville's basketball team has "five or six" first round draft picks this year. The man is like a Reverse Magic 8-Ball. Ask him a question, shake him up, and then do or believe the exact opposite of whatever he tells you. You'd live a good and happy life.

 

[TheBigBlueSpectacle]

God I wish I were media for one day and ask a follow up question about whores

 

[blubo]

Funny thing is, Pitino would stop getting the occasional top 15 player and get bumped to the occasional top 25-50 player after UK, Duke, AZ, etc had their pick.

Exactly. cal and other top tiers are still going to get the cream of the crop, whatever the crop may be.

 

[Ocornett]

RP is a whore and STD's are fogging his miniature penis.

 

[morgousky]

He wants them to abort their college careers and never exist in the college game.

It's subconscious.

 

[JoeBeeHall]

The immoral sob shouldn't be allowed to shape college kids futures .

 

[JC CATS]

I think Pitino is wrong! The NBA made some bad choices and even 2 or 3 1st round busts are not acceptable. They want that year to evaluate kids

 

[2Adulterers]

RP is a whore and STD's are fogging his miniature penis.

my thoughts exactly

 

[LeonThe Camel]

I think Pitino is wrong! The NBA made some bad choices and even 2 or 3 1st round busts are not acceptable. They want that year to evaluate kids

There are first round busts every year whether OAD or 4 year players. The NBA drafts on potential not realized ability. Over the past few years, Kris Dunn (top 5), Jahlil Okafor (top 3), Nik Stauskas (top 8), Noah Vonleh (top 9).

 

[mj2k10]

There are first round busts every year whether OAD or 4 year players. The NBA drafts on potential not realized ability. Over the past few years, Kris Dunn (top 5), Jahlil Okafor (top 3), Nik Stauskas (top 8), Noah Vonleh (top 9).

That's right. And while the era from 95-2005, when it was common for HS players to enter the draft, saw a lot of volatility at the top of the draft, it also led to some absolute steals.

The overwhelming majority of the 35 guys who were drafted out of HS in those 11 years panned out as players, far above the rate of normal draft picks. You had Kobe go 13, Tracy McGrady go 9, Rashard Lewis go 32, Amar'e Stoudemire go 9, Al Jefferson go 15, Andrew Bynum go 10, Monta Ellis go 40, and Lou Williams go 45. I'd say the teams that drafted those guys were pretty ecstatic about the value they got on their picks. Add in Garnett, LeBron, and Dwight Howard (who weren't value picks, but were franchise-defining ones), and I just named 11 of the 35.

Then throw in guys who clearly had successful careers, like Jermaine O'Neal (who misses making the above list because it took him leaving Portland, the team that drafted him, to become a force as a player), Al Harrington, Tyson Chandler, Kendrick Perkins, Shaun Livingston, Josh Smith, JR Smith, and Amir Johnson, and drafting HS players starts to look less like a gamble than the smart move.

I think we're headed towards a baseball rule, maybe shortened by 1 year (straight from HS or at least 2 years in college). It's what Adam Silver seems to want, and it makes the most sense. Whether Cal/UK thrive under a system like that is open to debate. Cal and Pitino (who was still selling his NBA connections back then) did not really thrive in the early 2000's, when you wouldn't know for sure if your top recruit would ever set foot on campus. Cal is in a different place now than he was then (literally and figuratively), so he probably would still thrive, but any major change in rules like that has unforseen results.

 

[KMKAT]

He also said UL was going to beat Clemson.

I like Rick's predictions because it confirms his expanded cluelessness.

 

[kev69]

Pitino also gave Karen the best 15 seconds of her life.

 

[GonzoCat90]

It's nice of high school to allow them to be drafted, because Rick sure won't.

 

[JC CATS]

There are first round busts every year whether OAD or 4 year players. The NBA drafts on potential not realized ability. Over the past few years, Kris Dunn (top 5), Jahlil Okafor (top 3), Nik Stauskas (top 8), Noah Vonleh (top 9).

They wasted a lot more picks on unproven high school kids. Wait and see if they go back to that

 

[mj2k10]

They wasted a lot more picks on unproven high school kids. Wait and see if they go back to that

Learn how to read. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT. The facts of which are right here in this thread.

And beyond what I've previously posted RIGHT ABOVE, which covers 19 of the 37 HS players taken from 95-05 (I was 2 short on my first post), I'll name the other 18- Korleone Young (2nd round), Jonathan Bender, Leon Smith, Darius Miles, DeShawn Stevenson, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop, Ousmane Cisse (2nd round), Travis Outlaw, Ndubi Ebi, James Lang (2nd round), Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Dorell Wright, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, and Andray Blatche (2nd round).

The only guy on that list who was a high 1st rounder and total fiasco was Robert Swift. Kwame Brown was also a huge disappointment, but only in regards to where he was selected. Had he gone 15th, he would have just been another career backup player.

19 of 37 HS draftees from 95-05 CLEARLY succeeded, and guys like Travis Outlaw, Dorell Wright, Gerald Green, and Andray Blatche had pretty good careers based on their draft position.

The idea that NBA teams were blowing picks left and right on HS kids is a ridiculous, idiotic mythology, easily disproven by the facts.

 

[JC CATS]

Learn how to read. THEY ABSOLUTELY DID NOT. The facts of which are right here in this thread.

And beyond what I've previously posted RIGHT ABOVE, which covers 19 of the 37 HS players taken from 95-05 (I was 2 short on my first post), I'll name the other 18- Korleone Young (2nd round), Jonathan Bender, Leon Smith, Darius Miles, DeShawn Stevenson, Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop, Ousmane Cisse (2nd round), Travis Outlaw, Ndubi Ebi, James Lang (2nd round), Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Dorell Wright, Martell Webster, Gerald Green, and Andray Blatche (2nd round).

The only guy on that list who was a high 1st rounder and total fiasco was Robert Swift. Kwame Brown was also a huge disappointment, but only in regards to where he was selected. Had he gone 15th, he would have just been another career backup player.

19 of 37 HS draftees from 95-05 CLEARLY succeeded, and guys like Travis Outlaw, Dorell Wright, Gerald Green, and Andray Blatche had pretty good careers based on their draft position.

The idea that NBA teams were blowing picks left and right on HS kids is a ridiculous, idiotic mythology, easily disproven by the facts.

You need to stay in your lane boy:
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison
James Young
Josh Selby
Malik Newman
Harry Giles
Shabaaz mohammed
Xavier Henry'
Quincy Miller
Anthony Bennett
BJ mullins
Samardo Samuels
Cliff Alexander
Skal Labissere

The above players would have been picked in or very near the lottery. They would have been huge disappointments. Your argument said 19 of 37..ha ha 50%. I think the NBA will never go back to drafting high school kids and I am indisputably correct at this point. If they change the rule, yell at me

 

[mj2k10]

You need to stay in your lane boy:
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison
James Young
Josh Selby
Malik Newman
Harry Giles
Shabaaz mohammed
Xavier Henry'
Quincy Miller
Anthony Bennett
BJ mullins
Samardo Samuels
Cliff Alexander
Skal Labissere

The above players would have been picked in or very near the lottery. They would have been huge disappointments. Your argument said 19 of 37..ha ha 50%. I think the NBA will never go back to drafting high school kids and I am indisputably correct at this point. If they change the rule, yell at me

Do you have mental probelms?

Not one of those guys you listed was drafted out of HS.

As I stated, and as I showed with a complete list, the players the NBA drafted out of HS from 95-2005 succeeded at an ASTRONOMICALLY high rate. If you think a 50% hit rate (spectacularly so on 11 of those) on 1st round draft picks is bad, then you're even more of an idiot than I already thought you were.

Here's a little primer for your ignorance,

Drafts from 95-2005, the players that ended up with the highest Win Share (an advanced stat that you are almost certainly incapable of understanding, but read it as "best player from that years' draft") ratings.

95- 1-Garnett
96- 1-Kobe, 10- Jermaine O'Neal
97- 3- Tracy McGrady
98- 4- Rashard Lewis, 8- Al Harrington
2000- 19- DeShawn Stevenson
2001-3- Tyson Chandler, 16- Eddy Curry,
2002- 1- Amar'e Stoudemire
2003- 1- LeBron, 17-Kendrick Perkins
2004- 1- Dwight Howard, 4- Al Jefferson, 7- Josh Smith, 11- JR Smith, 18- Shaun Livingston, 19- Dorell Wright
2005- 6- Amir Johnson, 9- Lou Williams, 11- Monta Ellis, 13- Andrew Bynum, 18-CJ Miles, 19-Martell Webster.

5 of 11 years, the best player in the draft came straight out of HS. And of the 37 HS players drafted, 24 ended up in the top 20 of their draft class- which, from NBA draft standards, is an absurdly high rate of success.

 

[Gametown_baller]

Do you have mental probelms?

Not one of those guys you listed was drafted out of HS.

As I stated, and as I showed with a complete list, the players the NBA drafted out of HS from 95-2005 succeeded at an ASTRONOMICALLY high rate. If you think a 50% hit rate (spectacularly so on 11 of those) on 1st round draft picks is bad, then you're even more of an idiot than I already thought you were.

Here's a little primer for your ignorance,

Drafts from 95-2005, the players that ended up with the highest Win Share (an advanced stat that you are almost certainly incapable of understanding, but read it as "best player from that years' draft") ratings.

95- 1-Garnett
96- 1-Kobe, 10- Jermaine O'Neal
97- 3- Tracy McGrady
98- 4- Rashard Lewis, 8- Al Harrington
2000- 19- DeShawn Stevenson
2001-3- Tyson Chandler, 16- Eddy Curry,
2002- 1- Amar'e Stoudemire
2003- 1- LeBron, 17-Kendrick Perkins
2004- 1- Dwight Howard, 4- Al Jefferson, 7- Josh Smith, 11- JR Smith, 18- Shaun Livingston, 19- Dorell Wright
2005- 6- Amir Johnson, 9- Lou Williams, 11- Monta Ellis, 13- Andrew Bynum, 18-CJ Miles, 19-Martell Webster.

5 of 11 years, the best player in the draft came straight out of HS. And of the 37 HS players drafted, 24 ended up in the top 20 of their draft class- which, from NBA draft standards, is an absurdly high rate of success.

I think he was naming players that would have been lottery, some top 5 picks that would have happened had the one and done rile not happened. It benefits the NBA and they have no reason to let high school players go straight to the NBA. I bet if they could go straight to the NBA, players like Chris Walker, Josh Selby, Malik Newman, renardo Sidney, cliff alexander, Dominic cheek, Micah downs, samardo Samuels, Ricky ledo, wally judge, ater majok, J'Mison Morgan could all have been top 15 picks, guaranteed 4 nba years but the NBA saw most of these guys were barely good enough to play at there respected college. The one and done benefits the NBA more then it does calipari, or K.

 

[kybballcrazy]

He also thinks its okay to have sex with bimbos on the tables of restaurants. Wouldnt pay attention to what a proven habitual liar says.

 

[mj2k10]

I think he was naming players that would have been lottery, some top 5 picks that would have happened had the one and done rile not happened. It benefits the NBA and they have no reason to let high school players go straight to the NBA. I bet if they could go straight to the NBA, players like Chris Walker, Josh Selby, Malik Newman, renardo Sidney, cliff alexander, Dominic cheek, Micah downs, samardo Samuels, Ricky ledo, wally judge, ater majok, J'Mison Morgan could all have been top 15 picks, guaranteed 4 nba years but the NBA saw most of these guys were barely good enough to play at there respected college. The one and done benefits the NBA more then it does calipari, or K.

If that's the case, why did they do such a good job of selecting HS players from 95-2005? The guys taken in the top 15 during that period were Garnett, Kobe, McGrady, Jonathan Bender, Darius Miles, Kwame Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, DeSagana Diop, Stoudemire, LeBron, Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Martell Webster, and Andrew Bynum.

18 guys in 11 years. 6 of them absolute homeruns, 3 others who were really good players.

Most of the players you named were never, ever, ever going to sniff the lottery. Maybe Selby, but that's about it.

And the NBA is more than capable of missing on guys who've played in college for years. Here are some top 15 picks from 2005-2010 who played at least 3 years in college:

Ike Diogu, Antoine Wright, Adam Morrison, Shelden Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Acie Law, Joe Alexander, Jason Thompson, Hasheem Thabeet, Terrence Williams, Earl Clark, Wesley Johnson, Ekpe Udoh, and Cole Aldrich.

Which is 14 of the 36 total juniors and seniors taken in the top 15 in those 6 drafts. An abject failure rate of almost 40%.

 

[Cindog28]

Any knowledge or advice from Pitino regarding the NBA would be like me trying to talk crazy to my feet to wear a glove, and be a dumbass with socks on my hands.

Jus' sayin'.

 

[JC CATS]

Do you have mental probelms?

Not one of those guys you listed was drafted out of HS.

As I stated, and as I showed with a complete list, the players the NBA drafted out of HS from 95-2005 succeeded at an ASTRONOMICALLY high rate. If you think a 50% hit rate (spectacularly so on 11 of those) on 1st round draft picks is bad, then you're even more of an idiot than I already thought you were.

Here's a little primer for your ignorance,

Drafts from 95-2005, the players that ended up with the highest Win Share (an advanced stat that you are almost certainly incapable of understanding, but read it as "best player from that years' draft") ratings.

95- 1-Garnett
96- 1-Kobe, 10- Jermaine O'Neal
97- 3- Tracy McGrady
98- 4- Rashard Lewis, 8- Al Harrington
2000- 19- DeShawn Stevenson
2001-3- Tyson Chandler, 16- Eddy Curry,
2002- 1- Amar'e Stoudemire
2003- 1- LeBron, 17-Kendrick Perkins
2004- 1- Dwight Howard, 4- Al Jefferson, 7- Josh Smith, 11- JR Smith, 18- Shaun Livingston, 19- Dorell Wright
2005- 6- Amir Johnson, 9- Lou Williams, 11- Monta Ellis, 13- Andrew Bynum, 18-CJ Miles, 19-Martell Webster.

5 of 11 years, the best player in the draft came straight out of HS. And of the 37 HS players drafted, 24 ended up in the top 20 of their draft class- which, from NBA draft standards, is an absurdly high rate of success.

Well let me ask, if it were working so well, why did they QUIT DOING IT? Let me guess;

NBA rep 1 - "Guys, I know we are making a ton of money off these hs kidsbut let's quit and make them go to college for a year.

NBA rep 2 - Why?

NBA rep 1 - Because we are doing them a disservice, we need to let them experience college life for a bit first. We will lose money and have to pay them more wqhen they come out of college, but we aren'tdoig this for money.

NBA rep 3 - Besides one day John Calapari might coach at UK and brand what they will refer to as One and Done's.

Yeah, you are right, this is why they quit doing it

 

[JoeBeeHall]

If I were an nba owner I would want 1 and done for an evaluaiton tool .

 

[JoeBeeHall]

Do you have mental probelms?

Not one of those guys you listed was drafted out of HS.

As I stated, and as I showed with a complete list, the players the NBA drafted out of HS from 95-2005 succeeded at an ASTRONOMICALLY high rate. If you think a 50% hit rate (spectacularly so on 11 of those) on 1st round draft picks is bad, then you're even more of an idiot than I already thought you were.

Here's a little primer for your ignorance,

Drafts from 95-2005, the players that ended up with the highest Win Share (an advanced stat that you are almost certainly incapable of understanding, but read it as "best player from that years' draft") ratings.

95- 1-Garnett
96- 1-Kobe, 10- Jermaine O'Neal
97- 3- Tracy McGrady
98- 4- Rashard Lewis, 8- Al Harrington
2000- 19- DeShawn Stevenson
2001-3- Tyson Chandler, 16- Eddy Curry,
2002- 1- Amar'e Stoudemire
2003- 1- LeBron, 17-Kendrick Perkins
2004- 1- Dwight Howard, 4- Al Jefferson, 7- Josh Smith, 11- JR Smith, 18- Shaun Livingston, 19- Dorell Wright
2005- 6- Amir Johnson, 9- Lou Williams, 11- Monta Ellis, 13- Andrew Bynum, 18-CJ Miles, 19-Martell Webster.

5 of 11 years, the best player in the draft came straight out of HS. And of the 37 HS players drafted, 24 ended up in the top 20 of their draft class- which, from NBA draft standards, is an absurdly high rate of success.

5 of 11 that is less than 50 percent , before you go calling names you need to get the facts straight mr rude .

 

[Cindog28]

I thought they got rid of the high school to NBA because of Jermaine O'Neal.

Oh well... high school to NBA worked for Moses Malone too.

 

[Deli owl]

I want to see the list off all the kids that didn't get drafted or failed to make it in the NBA long term.

 

[mj2k10]

Well let me ask, if it were working so well, why did they QUIT DOING IT? Let me guess;

NBA rep 1 - "Guys, I know we are making a ton of money off these hs kidsbut let's quit and make them go to college for a year.

NBA rep 2 - Why?

NBA rep 1 - Because we are doing them a disservice, we need to let them experience college life for a bit first. We will lose money and have to pay them more wqhen they come out of college, but we aren'tdoig this for money.

NBA rep 3 - Besides one day John Calapari might coach at UK and brand what they will refer to as One and Done's.

Yeah, you are right, this is why they quit doing it

Marketing, plain and simple. Compare the name recognition of guys coming into the league after one year of college to those who came straight out of HS. With the exception of LeBron, there is no comparison.

And yeah, obviously it's easier to get accurate scouting on a player if he spends a year playing D1 comp. But facts are facts, and the fact is that the guys the NBA did select out of HS succeeded at an astronomically high rate when compared to the success rate of all draft picks in the same time frame.

 

[CatsFan4Evr.]

Pitino also thought the utilization of whores would be good for his recruiting efforts.

He thought wrong.

 

[mj2k10]

I want to see the list off all the kids that didn't get drafted or failed to make it in the NBA long term.

Who entered the draft straight out of HS? It's not a particularly long list.

Undrafted- Taj McDavid, Ellis Richardson, Tony Key, Jackie Butler, Lenny Cooke, and DeAngelo Collins.

That's it.

Of the ones who were drafted?

Korleone Young, Leon Smith, Ousmane Cisse, Ndubi Ebi, James Lang, and Robert Swift. 6 of 37. Some of the others had disappointing careers, but only those 6 bombed out after their first contract, or never made it at all.

 

[JC CATS]

I want to see the list off all the kids that didn't get drafted or failed to make it in the NBA long term.

@mj2k10

The list of players to make the jump is littered with both successes and failures. For everyone first ballot hall-of-famer that came for high school, there is a player that played two seasons and averaged three points.

This column will examine 40 players that jumped from high school and played at least one minute in

 

[WitnessGreatness]

I hope it does happen. Players shouldn't need to go to college for a year

 

[mj2k10]

@mj2k10

The list of players to make the jump is littered with both successes and failures. For everyone first ballot hall-of-famer that came for high school, there is a player that played two seasons and averaged three points.

This column will examine 40 players that jumped from high school and played at least one minute in

False. Lie.

And all the facts behind that are right here in this thread. If 24 of the 37 HS players drafted from 95-2005 are rated among the top 20 players in their draft class, it is IMPOSSIBLE for your statement to have any validity whatsoever.

At this point, I have to assume that you have the reading comprehension level of the average 9 year old. You believe what you want to believe if it makes you feel better, but it has no connection to reality.

 

[mj2k10]

And here's the career total of NBA contracts for EVERY player drafted out of HS from 95-05:

Garnett- 343 million
Kobe- 328M
O'Neal-168M
McGrady- 162M
Harrington- 90M
Lewis-155M
Young- 287,000
Bender- 30M
Leon Smith- 1.4M
Miles- 62M
Stevenson- 27M
Brown- 64M
Chandler- 160M
Curry- 70M
Diop- 47M
Cisse- 0 (never made it)
Stoudemire- 167M
LeBron- 203M (and counting)
Outlaw- 44M
Ebi- 2.8M
Perkins- 57M
Lang- 770,000
Howard- 167M (and counting)
Livingston- 41M (and counting)
Swift- 11M
Telfair- 19M
Josh Smith- 106M
JR Smith- 58M (and counting)
Wright- 28M
Webster- 45M
Bynum- 72M
Green-18M (and counting)
Miles- 34M
Ellis- 94M (and counting)
Williams- 44M (and counting)
Blatche- 39M
Johnson- 66M (and counting)

37 players. 32 of them had contracts worth 10 million dollars or more. 19 were over 50 million. But tell me again how for every great success story, there was a failure. Bullshit.