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There is a rule that gives him the right to use his discretion on such calls. Nobody has argued that he doesn't have that ability or that he made up the rule.
Remember, there is no rule that states slamming the ball is a technical. It's based on his judgement. With that being fact, do you personally think he made the right call?
Lots of people, including other major college officials, disagreeing with the assessment that it was the right call. It doesn't fit any of the criteria of a technical foul. No gesture toward a referees call or taunting of an opponent. Nothing in the rule book saying to T up a player harmlessly bouncing a ball 6 feet in the air in celebration of a play that probably wins the game. The ball didn't even make it to the other end of the floor. The A&M player caught it just a few feet away. The call was bad.
There's a big difference between discretion and strict liability.
You're implying that because Adams had the discretion to make the call, he shouldn't be questioned for doing so under any circumstance whatsoever. But that interpretation entirely eliminates the concept of discretion. Instead, we're right back at strict liability.
As this thread has progressed, it's become fairly obvious that you're being deliberately obtuse because you've already taken a position, so you're going to say whatever you have to say to defend it. That's fine. It's your right. Just don't think it makes you correct about anything. You're not.
wow.Regardless, this guy has no business being an official. None.
There is no rule about a bunch of specific behaviors that would still be called a tech because it would be redundant to list every scenario , that's why refs have discretion to encompass all of those things . I think slamming the ball under any emotional circumstances is unsportsmanlike , we teach kids not to do that type of stuff . I wish he hadn't made the call but I would have felt we got away with it had he ignored it , we just didn't get lucky . I thought here we go as soon as it was slammed , I knew it was coming . I didn't get mad at Adams , we shot ourselves in the foot was how I felt about it .
I'm absolutely correct , not for a single moment do I think the ref broke from the rule book . Our player did something and it got called , you not liking it doesn't make your stance right .
I don't remember a lot of our fans being upset that Ben Hansbrough didn't get called for T for his chicken dance? That was 100 times worse than this.
Im sorry it's just amazing to me. Coach K can public ally humiliate an official, throw his pen, leave the coaches box, and teach players to physically play to fall all over themselves........ No technicals. Duke players can trip players to the floor, no technical.
Jim Boogers can run on to a floor acting like a complete lunatic, get in an officials face, point in his face, curse him, and no technical.
Hump loses control of the ball of a celebratory action and kind of throws it(he didn't slam it), and it's a end of game technical to possibly change the outcome.
Coach cal stays on the sideline and screams to the officials barely even saying anything, and he's T'd up and then tossed.
What a sport this is turning into.
Jim Boogers can run on to a floor acting like a complete lunatic, get in an officials face, point in his face, curse him, and no technical.
Hump loses control of the ball of a celebratory action and kind of throws it(he didn't slam it), and it's a end of game technical to possibly change the outcome.
Coach cal stays on the sideline and screams to the officials barely even saying anything, and he's T'd up and then tossed.
What a sport this is turning into.
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You completely ignored what I said. I'd follow up, but you never even addressed my point.
Great conversation, bud.
I should've taken Bucket's advice a couple pages ago and put you on ignore, but I'll do it now.
Good luck in the future. I can't imagine how difficult life must be for someone incapable of understanding that not everything is black and white.
I am talking during the game when he was doing it in the first half. My point is that most of our fans have some sense of right and wrong.
The fact that other officials, a former ref who does clinics, and a number of the talking heads have come out and said the same thing most of us are saying sure supports the idea that it was a horrible call that should not have been made.
I encourage anyone who is frustrated they can't change my mind on this to put me on ignore if it upsets them that much .
You completely ignored what I said. I'd follow up, but you never even addressed my point.
Great conversation, bud.
I should've taken Bucket's advice a couple pages ago and put you on ignore, but I'll do it now.
Good luck in the future. I can't imagine how difficult life must be for someone incapable of understanding that not everything is black and white.
We ridicule those talking heads unless their opinion lines up with ours , their opinion is held in high regard when we like it . Other refs wouldn't have called it but that's their choice , not everybody is the same . As fans and players we should know that and act accordingly , otherwise you leave it up to the official .
Im with you but coach k did get a technical for throwing his pen on that video.
Boeheim also got ejected for that game...tony Greene wasn't the one who did it tho
You keep defending that he can call it..I'm pretty sure no one is arguing that, it's if he should have. Again, would you be pissed if you got a speeding ticket going 1 mile over...why would you be he can write you a ticket for it
That's what I meant about Greene. Damn I could have swore coach K didn't get t'd up on that. I've been mad about it for a few years it seems.
I'll have to tell my therapist.
A lot of people that are highly knowledgeable about the game of basketball disagree with you. Your stance in my opinion and several others is wrong. Double edged sword with your statement because you agreeing with it doesn't make it right either.
Another obvious being missed here , I don't care about being your friend if it involves having to group think . Put me on ignore and see if I miss you .
Oh I've had my moments, especially with some of Cals floor coaching. I'm sure you remember. Of course, Briscoe just shot a game changing three pointer at the end of a practice scrimmage and Cal just smiled. Can't wait for the next game!
I only put weak ass liberals and causal UK fans on ignore.
Nobody wants to hold Humphries accountable because he's a good kid and sang to Shannon , the ref did it all theme is wrong . We need to play smarter , if everybody here knew Adams was a bad ref then how did our players not know this . Why are the coaches not telling the players that there are certain refs out to get us , we have had a bunch of T's this year but that's not a problem ? I'm not mad at all because it was our mistake , I'm not mad at Hump but it's still his fault .
You'll love it when everybody puts you on ignore. You obviously like talking to yourself.
Wth does him singing to Shannon Spake have to do with that situation? Dude your getting ridiculous.
Saw in another thread a poster describing how good of a kid Isaac was and that somehow equated to the T being unjustified . I thought it was ridiculous to use that as a defense because it has nothing to do with anything . Admit that Isaac created this situation , nobody is doing that and it's laughable .
Haha love these no calls
Wow, just woe... he must have used his discretion there?
I feel sorry for the kid because of what happened. Who didn't make mistakes when they were 18 years old? I think it was unjustified because he wasn't over the top with his celebration. He made his first huge play in a Kentucky uniform and was happy. He didn't taunt anyone or do anything that IMO warranted the punishment he received.
As much as last might's game pains me, the reality is a young man in his excitement reacted in a manner that he shouldn't have. I don't know this ref personally but if he's black and white in his thinking, then rules are rules and he calls a technical. When cops take this attitude it often is taken care of by the other officers who try to tell the other officer you don't break the rules you bend them .I would rather get blown out by 50 points than lose like this but it's done and over and
I believe that this will be a positive for Issac and he will be a better player/person in the future.
This not true at all. Explain to me how batting a ball when it comes through the net prior to it being inbounded again can be during " live play". This is one of the more common dead ball warnings given--Indy
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