I won't argue with you on this topic because your hell bent on justifying it, but will you agree that Pat Adams is a terrible referee?
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I'm no more hell bent than others trying to justify Humps action just because they wanted to win the game , I don't think Adams is a good ref but he's not terrible based on this call . It was the right call , we need the players to stop doing stuff like this . We have accumulated a lot of T's this year for unnecessary things .
I never said he was bad because of just that one call.
When a team is losing late in a game and has to foul to extend the game they're intentionally fouling aren't they? Everyone including the refs know this but they don't penalize the team fouling by calling intentional fouls almost always because they use discretion. Any good ref knows when to use it and doesn't want to decide a game based on a call that is trivial. Humphries wasn't celebrating excessively or taunting anyone. If Pat Adams was a good ref he might've displayed a little discretion on that call but Pat Adams is total garbage so you saw what happened.
That was excessive , look at our players reaction and even Humps as soon as he did it . They all knew it was a bad decision , if the players suspected it was a probable T before the whistle then that is all the proof you need that it was a legit call . He got carried away and went too far , many players make critical plays without that kind of reaction . Why is it unreasonable to expect him to do the same , he blew it .
The rules don't specifically say you can't slam the ball and many on here are using that as proof it shouldn't be a T either .
I've seen him call several games and I think he's terrible. As far as what Isaac did, it was a mistake. We can all probably agree with that. I just don't think their are many officials who would have made that call at that time in a game. Was a hard fought and emotional game and I think most refs would have let that go.
Okay, so then you can agree that it is up to the official's discretion??? There were 9 seconds left on the game clock. Do you make that call? Was it that "Excessive"?
Why was it excessive? He wasn't doing it out of anger or trying to taunt anyone or even show up a ref. If the ball would've bounced back to him we're not even having this discussion I bet. And like I said any decent ref never wants to decide a game based on something so trivial.
Young kid making a huge play in a big conference game and got to excited. I feel sorry for him because we all seen how hard both teams fought for that win. That could have been his first big moment in a Kentucky uniform and that was squashed by a referee that I think is an attention whore. Isaac will learn from it and I know he will be a hell of a ball player for our program.
Excuse me but that wasn't a delay of game tonight. When the officials go to the monitor to check out something that is a delay of game.
I blame Hump and you blame the ref , it's perspective I guess . I am ok with refs applying the rules at any point in the game , I don't think the clock should have any bearing on whether it's a violation or not . It is an officials discretion , everything they do is based on that premise . I make the call because it's been made many times in the past , they have seconds to determine what is ok or not and on reflection they may feel different about a call they made but they can't study a play . It was excessive , he could have celebrated had he just not slammed the ball and I'm sure nothing would have been called . He could scream and pump his fist but at some point you have to show some restraint but he went all out . At what point do you draw the line ? UL fans blame Powell , Jones , UK and we laugh at them for it . Hump made a mistake and we don't blame him or our team at all , the ref did it all .
X, I really like you, but I disagree with almost everything you just typed. I don't want to create any sort of dynamic between us, so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Cheers buddy. Have a good night!
So unsportsmanlike which I posted , throwing the ball is a delay of the game . They can call delay of game when holding the ball after a made basket without going to the monitor . Either way it was justified and everybody knows it , bad play right call .
Can the university or calipari demand that certain referees not ref our games? Like certain referees have obvious biases against Kentucky and consistently cheat us. And it doesn't seem like there's a single ref out there who is favorable towards us. We're like the exact opposite of duke when it comes to officiating.
Yea this is a polarizing topic and nobody has posted anything that has compelled me to feel different about it . I do appreciate your opinion , I understand you seeing it differently .
I do wonder if Calipari or somebody at UK complained about Doug Sirmins to the SEC since he's not calling another UK game this year.
Did you see that stat posted during the duke vs Louisville game about free throws? I can't remember the exact numbers but it basically showed that Duke has made a substantial amount of free throws more than their opponents have even attempted. The statistic wasn't all that surprising for anyone though considering Coach Rat face is always crying about officiating and how his teams get special treatment every damn year.
Fun fact about Pat Adams: when the NBA had its lockout in 95, the league had to use replacement refs until the nba settled with their referees. Adams was a replacement and he ejected David Robinson, a guy who'd never been ejected before for questioning a call. Adams was mentally weak and totally intimidated, and afterwards asked to not come back.
I'll look for the article if I can find it.
I'll look for the article if I can find it.
Guys jack up shots at the basket well after the whistle is blown all the time. Isn't that a delay of game? It's a ridiculous call and everyone knows it.
Dude, get over yourself.. okay you think it was a good call..congratulations. state it and move on.. stop acting like you're the end all know all.. how many games have you reffed? Coached? Played?
The reason I ask is because NUMEROUS people who have done those 3 things listed above have came out and said they had the opposite opinion of you.
But keep trying to be the logical message board fan who never thinks that they got screwed and every loss is because they weren't tough enough or should have been smarter/better. I promise we will all secretly think you're awesome.
I think everybody in this thread had a reasonable discussion about the play because the posters involved were intelligent and then you strolled in . If you trash the trailer over what I posted then that's on you .
Man, you got me. That hurt.. I would be willing to bet that the one that most would consider unintelligent in this discussion is you.
The fact that you lumped Humphries in with Skal and Lee is comical when he single handedly kept us in the game with STRONG double digit rebounds with many coming in crucial situations.
If you really would like to compare "trailers" I'm totally fine with that.
You don't like my opinion then cry your phatty mouth to sleep over it , idk what you think . You have been the only childish poster in this thread and don't even deserve a reasonable response . It was a good call , dumb play .
Good one.. so you're calling me childish, yet did I resort to name calling or say you live in a trailer? Or was that you?
Just like I expected. Can't reasonably back up your claims.
You busted in the thread with a tantrum , are you saying I name called you a trailer ? Gonna be alright , might want to read that again . I have backed up my claims with well thought out posts in the midst of upset emotions over a loss , read the thread . You are upset and can't think of anything to counter the litany of points I've made , it'll be ok .
"Trash the trailer"?
Adding elitist prick to know it all blowhard?
That guy could buy and sell you for all you know.
And you've convinced no one, despite your incessant bloviating on the matter.
Keep melting, douchebag.
You sound like some lame little brothel fan with the trailer insults.
No, unlike you I can read and remember what I write, also. You called me unintelligent, brainless, inferred thst I was trailer trash. Etc etc.
You've backed up nothing. It's your opinion.
I asked a simple question .. how many games have you been a referee in or played or coached... the answer im guessing is ZERO. There are numerous people, many of them Kentucky haters, like Jeff Goodman, who have publicly came out and disagreed with your OPINION that you have not once backed up.
And I also discredited your Humphries bashing with his stats.
I assure you, I will be just fine. In fact, I'm not even upset about this game and I wouldn't have cared about your OPINION had you not childishly bashed an 18 year old kid who I'm sure is unconsolableasy and feels he let his teammates down, even though he is a BIG reason they even had a chance to win. Checkmate
You sound sophisticated , double wide amirite ?Keep melting, douchebag.
You sound like some lame little brothel fan with the trailer insults.
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In the last minute and half of regulation before overtime the refs chose the winner during that exact sequence of time even after the entire game had been one sided up to that point. They finished how they started it.... Crooked as hell. aTm got away with an obvious travel, instead they get a shooting foul. Make one of 2 to go up one. Next play UK has ball, Lee gets called for a travel on a made bucket that wasn't a travel and nowhere near as close as the one atm got the foul call on during the previous play. After that when we got the block atm travelled before we blocked the shot. Reason that is significant is because no way Lee gets the ball if the travel is called. Instead of overtime we should've won by 5, at least 4 in regulation based on ref miscues thru last minute and a half of regulation. And it was going on the entire game. Truly pathetic display of bias refs.
If women that look like that live in trailer parks, I'm obviously paying way too much to live where I live and need to move to lot 6. Thanks for opening my eyes
And "UK til death" if that's not you in the sig, and it's a significant other, no harm intended, just pointing out the idiocy of xception
You can read and remember what you write , that's solid proof . Jeff Goodman is an expert when you like what he says , can't beat that argument because well Jeff has played , coached and officiated . Don't forget the unmentioned numerous people you listed , in public no less . Chessmaster material right there .
Seth Greenberg. Coach
Jay bilas, played
I can go on and on
Jeff Goodman was used to specifically refute your notion that everyone who disagrees with you is a UK homer. And yes, I would agree that Goodman is probably a lot more knowledgeable than you are.
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