The ones who heard someone say it was a delay of game, are obvious sheeples. They just repeat what they hear without even knowing if it is legit or not. You are spot on my friend!
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Dead ball so no delay of game. The officials were causing the delay. He was going to shoot free throws but was still under other teams basket. They should have started toward the other basket. Not going to argue with you. You think it was the right call and I don't. You won't change my mind.
Unchecked and unlimited power given to refs by the league has made college basketball a joking matter.
Adams should be confronted and questioned about his apparent vendetta against UK and if not fired, at least given a warning if he continues this shenanigan.
Yeah I'd feel sheepish. I mean I'd take the win gladly, but I would definitely feel like we stole something.
However, you are having so much fun with is already on my ignore list.
It is comical just reading your posts and imaging what the other poster is replying. My gueses are 3 or cut...
Cam Newton does a three minute routine after a one-yard touchdown run. No penalty. Joey Batista flips his bat 20 feet in the air after a home run. No penalty. Isaac Humphries beats two Texas A&M players to the crucial rebound and gets fouled doing so, throws the ball toward the end of the court where he'll be shooting the free throws. Technical foul.
This is why it was a bad call.
This is why it was a bad call.
The call shouldn't have occurred at that juncture in the game, and it wouldn't have with just about any other official in college basketball. And, yes, it changed the outcome of the game.
That's really the end of the analysis, guys. No amount of shouting or name calling makes any difference, so there's really no need to encourage it.
That's really the end of the analysis, guys. No amount of shouting or name calling makes any difference, so there's really no need to encourage it.
Just reverse the situation and we all would be pissed because no tech was called. I have read it several times on here that if it's a violation at the beginning of the game, then it should be at the end of the game.
IMO, Humphries gave him no choice but to call a tech. Like Adams told the other two refs when they were discussing in their huddle, "slamming the ball to the ground is a technical foul."
I wish there was a rule for this situation that said if it doesn't affect the game, then don't call it, but then you open a big can of worms.
IMO, Humphries gave him no choice but to call a tech. Like Adams told the other two refs when they were discussing in their huddle, "slamming the ball to the ground is a technical foul."
I wish there was a rule for this situation that said if it doesn't affect the game, then don't call it, but then you open a big can of worms.
Both you and Adams are wrong on that. It's not an automatic technical. Players do it in the final seconds all the time when celebrating, or throwing the ball in the air.
Adams enjoyed calling that technical. The other refs were trying to talk him out of it, or at least asking him to justify it.
If it happened against UK and NOT called, some of would have complained but taken it as a loss and tipped our hat to TAMU.
So the official delayed now , it's become comical at this point . I went from feeling it was a legit call and disappointed by it , to just flat out amused at the reaction on this board . I don't want to change your mind and never did , I put my opinion out there and I'm responding to everyone who took umbrage to it . I will defend my opinion , I don't care how many don't like it . I will not be shouted down for think Hump messed up more than the ref .
I get your point now. Cal needs to tell Isaac to play with less emotion and he better not be happy when he makes a game winning play. That isn't going to cut it though because he also needs him to stay in the gym after practice and work on throwing the ball down at an angle where it will bounce back up into his hands where he can catch it. I don't know why I didn't realize that before you bitched out every poster that disagrees with you. It wouldn't have been called if it was an A & M player and it wouldn't have been called at Rupp. You can split hairs all day long but you're in the minority here. Refs swallow their whistles at the end of the game unless something's blatant or bad sportsmanship..... Isaac's was neither of those. Been that way for as long as I can remember. But not last night. Now get on back to your rule book and teach us some more.
This is the problem. If Adams provided that justification, he needs to find a new line of work because that's not the rule. It's not a strict liability situation as he implied; it's entirely at the discretion of the official.
But, of course, Pat Adams is one of the few officials in college basketball that would have made that call at that particular juncture. That's why he shouldn't be allowed to officiate within our league ever again. There's just no justification for continuing to employ someone who is such an outlier.
As to your second point, there is an unwritten rule about allowing the players to decide the outcome at the end of the game. It's been cited thousands of times to justify the officials swallowing their whistles on obvious fouls on the last possession. The same rule applies in this situation.
No one was watching to see who Pat Adams decided won the game. Sadly, I'm not sure Adams understands his role despite having worked as an referee for decades. That's most likely because he's never been held accountable for his poor job performance. Again, this is why he shouldn't be permitted to work in our league anymore. There are plenty of officials out there who are more than capable of taking his spot and doing a better job. The good ol' boy nonsense needs to end.
Humphries knew he screwed up as soon as he did it. He said, "oh shit!" Then a couple other players start pleading with the ref not to call it...to no avail.
I also understand your view , we should slam the ball anytime we feel like . Only the bad refs will call it , we just need a list of the ones out to get us . I'm all for punting the ball so long as you're excited while doing it . We can only hope that Isaac learns nothing from this just like the posters on here and slams some more in the future with good refs present and in a euphoric state .
If only there were a rule that says slamming the ball to the floor is a technical foul. If there were, both yours and Xception's position would make more sense.
Does the rule book say if a coach shows outrage over a call it is an automatic technical? Or does a ref use discretion based on the situation and context?
See, for me, we lost the game because of A&M's dominance on the glass. I can't believe we were even in a position to win. That being said, the T at the end of the game took what most likely would have been a UK win, and turned it to a game A&M most likey wins.
Does the rule book allow for the ref to call a T there, absolutely. Does it make it the right call, no.
No they don't. You're the confused one. You seem to think you're right.
Sorry, my man, this should not have been called. First of all it would have not been delay of game. They had not even started to move toward our end of the floor. The other officials should have talked with Adams and told him what was going on. He was behind Hump and could not see his face or anything.
This is a call that should not have been made..A polite warning is all that is necessary here. Hump did not do any of the things required to get a technical foul. None..He was excited and that is all. For as long as I have been officiating, i can never remember making a call like that no matter how close the game was.. You just warn the guy and move on. Adams blew this big time and probably cost us the game.
I didn't say it was the right call, but I knew when he did it that it probably would be called.
Well if you didn't know then now you do or maybe not judging by the comments , if the players want to be stubborn about it too then more technical are on the way .
Look it was a stupid play by humphries for sure. But there is no rule that says it is an automatic technical for slamming it down, it has to be done out of anger or taunting another player. It was VERY obvious that it was neither of those 2. He was just celebrating making a big play.
To call something like that with that amount of time left , absolutely knowing it's going to affect how the game ends is ridiculous.
There have been numerous media people come out and say it was an awful call. Whenever Jeff Goodman and Doug Gottlieb takes up for us, you know the call was awful
To call something like that with that amount of time left , absolutely knowing it's going to affect how the game ends is ridiculous.
There have been numerous media people come out and say it was an awful call. Whenever Jeff Goodman and Doug Gottlieb takes up for us, you know the call was awful
We learned absolutely nothing but how to be a victim , if the players feel that way then they will rack up more T's . I knew as soon as he did it a T was likely coming , the players reaction knew it was likely coming . But rafters was oblivious to it coming , I'm amazed at how many didn't immediately think it was a bone head play by Hump . Discretion or not , this was initiated by Isaac and being excited has never been an excuse for doing that .
I don't know but I blame Hump more than the ref and that's the problem here . Nobody thinks Hump did anything wrong , it was just an out of control ref . I didn't like the call but he had every right to make it .
I disagree. Really not trying to argue with you or anyone and this thing's now history but how many times has the guard handling the ball at the end of a big game thrown it as high as he can into the rafters with a second or two left on the game clock ? Happens every week. No real difference here. But if the player did it earlier in the game after a big play he'd get T'd up every time. As I said, the refs don't go whistle crazy in end game scenarios unless someone gets mugged or goes nuts. Isaac's action was no big deal. He won't do it again and it was a good learning experience. I do agree with you that the ref had a right to nail him but that ref has a history of trying to 'be the show' and he definitely made the ending of last night's game all abut him.
When the ref called it, I looked at my wife and said well he shouldn't have slammed the ball. I also felt like Ulis' reaction towards the ref Didnt help. When he looked back at the ref and kind of had that look of 'are you gonna call it" is when the whistle was blown.
Btw, I was more referring to Xception's lack of understanding of the rules regarding technical fouls. Sorry for lumping you in there.
You know he will respond. Funny how he is adamant about being right. There have been so many that have told him that it isn't a T and ask him to show the rule that says so. He has failed to do so but he still insists it is the right call. I give up on him it Is obvious he has problems understanding what he reads.
I didn't see it live. I was following via twitter. Virtually every national writer said words to the effect of "You're calling a T in that situation? Unbelievable."
But you're a genius and everybody else is a idiotic homer. In that case you have to expect everyone to disagree with you making many good arguments to help you see it was a discretionary call while you regurgitate the same bull shit for more than 16 hours without ever hearing anything anybody else said. You've got your fingers in your ears singing lalalalalalalala. Could be Syphilis.
You mean the imaginary rules everybody keeps bringing up , it's at the refs discretion on that . That means it's his judgement , you don't have to like it but that's the rule and he enforced it .
Doesn't make it an illegal call , not liking it doesn't mean it wasn't correct . It was an unpopular call but not one that wasn't within his power to make .
I've held off for a day because it made me sick just seeing it end. I just stayed on breakers last night spending too much busting wax. Then national treasures rewarded me with a KAT auto rookie, so I woke up feeling ridiculous.
My take on it is
Not suprised Pat Adams is the one who made the call. I was just saying in a @UK till Death thread a few days ago, he scares me more than semons. He worse in lots of ways than TV Teddy, and he shouldn't be an official. I mean, if you don't get that, then you're part of the officiating problem. Officials need to get out of the game unless it's completely necessary.
Humphreys didn't slam the ball intentionally IMO. From the front it appears he was going to catch the ball in some weird looping motion, and it came out. The look on his face says it all. Notice, no official called it from the front. They knew it was just a dumb thing.
It didn't technically cost us the game, and there's no guarantee hump would have made those free throws. We were only up 1 point. We should have won the game a lot sooner. Things like cal allowing Briscoe to shoot deep jumpers is just trash. It's bad playing, it's bad coaching. Imo we don't run enough through Ulis in key situations. He's nearly automatic off a screen in the lane. Yet, Briscoe shooting deepers!!!!
Teaching moment, and it will help us in the future. Still, we've got to stop losing games. This team is within an eyelash of being a one seed, but they're playing their way into a 4 or 5.
Lastly, had that been a Duke player on a Duke floor, there wouldn't have been a call. That's the crap I'm sick of. The favoritism for Duke in this game needs to end.
My take on it is
Not suprised Pat Adams is the one who made the call. I was just saying in a @UK till Death thread a few days ago, he scares me more than semons. He worse in lots of ways than TV Teddy, and he shouldn't be an official. I mean, if you don't get that, then you're part of the officiating problem. Officials need to get out of the game unless it's completely necessary.
Humphreys didn't slam the ball intentionally IMO. From the front it appears he was going to catch the ball in some weird looping motion, and it came out. The look on his face says it all. Notice, no official called it from the front. They knew it was just a dumb thing.
It didn't technically cost us the game, and there's no guarantee hump would have made those free throws. We were only up 1 point. We should have won the game a lot sooner. Things like cal allowing Briscoe to shoot deep jumpers is just trash. It's bad playing, it's bad coaching. Imo we don't run enough through Ulis in key situations. He's nearly automatic off a screen in the lane. Yet, Briscoe shooting deepers!!!!
Teaching moment, and it will help us in the future. Still, we've got to stop losing games. This team is within an eyelash of being a one seed, but they're playing their way into a 4 or 5.
Lastly, had that been a Duke player on a Duke floor, there wouldn't have been a call. That's the crap I'm sick of. The favoritism for Duke in this game needs to end.
I've read every post in this thread and I think %95 of the posters realize he had the 'right' to make the call. Where those %95 disagree is whether he 'should' have.
I had probably 5 texts immediately after that call, including a couple from my good buddy that is a Duke alum and diehard fan. Everyone of them said it was a horsesh*t call. Now, they hate UK and are probably happy it happened, but they could understand it was wrong call, wrong time. For some reason you think it was the right call. That is weird to most of us.
Exception will give him a golden shower and the other 23,999 will feather him.
You can disagree with the call and not like it but he had the right , you guys are saying it's not the rule . How can he have the right and it not be the rule ? Makes no sense and is contradictory . Either he had the right or made up a rule .
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