Arrest and disciplined by the school are two very different things
On Brandon Miller
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Hell, can’t get 12 people on here to see this the same way and we don’t know the actual evidence. We just know what’s been written about. Lol
Are there some articles out there today that is not accurate. The one I read said that Miles texted Miller to bring him his gun that was in the car and it said that Miller delivered the gun that was used in the killing. Made it sound like he knew what was going on.
They are now trying to say that he didn't see the text and just decided to head back to the restaurant.
Just weird that the police would believe anybody involved in a killing. Not their job to judge, it's the courts.
People want someone to blame. And they always pick the higher profile person. Most people more mad at miller than the two young men actually involved in the murder. The fact that he’s thriving even after this tragedy rubs people the wrong way. It’s unfortunate but when People want to blame you for something facts don’t matter. He didn’t break any laws and he didn’t break any schools rules. It is what it is.
I do find it interesting that he wasn't even initially arrested. But the DA not even wanting to give it to a grand jury to decide is puzzling.
I don’t doubt that you read an article saying that. The point of contention is that “delivered” is a pretty strong word that implies a deliberate action by Miller when the actual details of his involvement are much less clear than that.
The facts that pretty much no one disputes are that the gun belonged to Miles and was owned legally. He placed it in the back of Miller’s car under a hat or some clothes at the start of the night before there was even a hint of trouble, and they ended up going their separate ways for a bit. Once Miller returned to the club where Miles had been hanging out, Miles retrieved his gun and gave it to Davis who almost immediately started shooting the Jeep occupied by Jamea Harris and her friends, who he had been in an argument with while Miller wasn’t around.
It’s the intervening details that we all keep arguing over. Miles did send a text that in slang terms appears to have been asking for his gun shortly before Miller arrived back at the club. This detail became public before Miller’s side of the story, so a lot of people including a fair number of professional writers who included their assumptions in their scathing opinion pieces, jumped to the conclusion that Miller must have shown up on command with the express purpose of bringing the gun. That seems to be the assumption that a fair number of people in this very thread are sticking to.
However, there’s more to the story in that Miller had received texts from Miles about an hour before the shooting simply asking to be picked up at the club and making no mention of a fight or a gun. His story, which apparently checked out with the police and prosecutors, is that he was already on his way to the club based on the initial texts before the one mentioning the gun was ever sent, and had no idea what was about to happen when he got there. Some of the exact evidence like the dash cam and surveillance footage isn’t public right now, but given that the timestamp on on the last text from Miles and the estimated start of the shooting were no more than 7-8 minutes apart, the timeline would seem to add up for Miller’s version of events. I’m not entirely sure at this point why the default assumption on this board is police corruption and prosecutorial misconduct rather than the simpler explanation that his story actually checked out with the evidence, but here we are. That’s pretty much the story in a nutshell.
It’s literally in the American Bar Association standards for prosecutors that they aren’t recommended to bring indictments to grand juries that they can’t prove in court. You’ll have to scroll down to Section 3-4.6 at the link here to read it for yourself, but it’s there. I don’t know where this idea is coming from that prosecutors have a duty to bring every remotely possible charge under the sun and let the grand jury be the ones to sort it all out. Deciding whether or not to bring charges in the first place based on evidence is a basic part of their job.
I never said I think they have a duty to do it in every instance. I was just talking about this one.
I think you summed it up well even if from a particular biased perspective. For me, I am just skeptical of Miller's story. It may be confirmed later but for now, I am not buying it. It sounds "too convenient" for me. As a former state police officer, I just don't buy it.
I’ll bite then. In this specific case, what evidence are you seeing that makes you think it could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury that Miller intentionally brought the gun knowing it was about to be used in a murder? That Miles sent him a text asking for it is unlikely to be enough if he never responded to it and was verifiably already headed to the club before ever receiving it.
Not sure Miller knowningly brought him the gun, knowing he was gonna commit a crime....After all , it was Miles gun, and he wanted it back----Right? It would be like you leaving your gun in my car, calling me up and sayong---"Hey, I left my gun in your car, can you bring it to me....? And then you shoot and kill someone....SHould I be charged with murder for bring your property back to you?
Police show up to a killing and there are three guys that are together. They arrest two of the three and tell the third they believe his story so he can run along now. Something just not right about it. If he had not of taken the gun to the scene, whether he knew about it or not, the girl would be alive. You would think that somebody, police or university, would want to know the whole story in court first before clearing him when everyone knows there are doubts about it. Bad look for the university to be that insensitive to the girls family.
I don’t know anything about the case . But if Clay Travis’s behavior surprised you….you must not know much about him .
Love ya Gromcat but ….Lawyers are like cops . Nobody likes them until you need one . And I’m no lawyer.
Here's a few questions.
1) Where did the actual shooting take place? Answer according to the article I read, police report said in the 400 block of Grace St. which is off of the Strip where the 12/25 sports bar is located.
2) How did Miller know to pick up Miles and Davis at that exact location and not on the Strip in front of the club where he dropped them off? Was this a pre-arranged location and it just happened to be where the vehicle containing Jamea Harris was at?
3) If no one had any idea about what was happening, why was the 3rd player (in a separate car) also there? Could be nothing, but that question should be answered.
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Was just a few years ago a UL cheerleader was found dead in a UL football players bed . He said he woke up in the middle of the night and went for a walk and when he returned she was dead . Louisville media pretty much swept it under the rug . Maybe he was completely innocent, but who knows.That is true in a LOT of places. I once read an article that talked about how in Oklahoma if a player was arrested in almost any place, the local cops would call Barry Switzer and he would deal with it. No charges would be filed.
Same thing at Penn St. If you want to have some fun reading, read up on Vicky Triponey! (She was a PSU administrator but it is similar to what we are talking about.)
The woman who stood up to Joe Paterno | CNN
Vicky Triponey saw first hand the insular culture in Happy Valley that led to so much ruin.www.cnn.com
I’ve seen it referred to several times, but not directly linked, so here’s the ESPN article that has probably the most complete timeline of any of the publicly available accounts.
1) I haven’t seen anything different than Grace Street. I think that’s generally agreed upon. It’s literally across the street from the front of 12/25 though. It’s not an entirely different part of town.
2) It seems that no one involved in the incident ever went far from 12/25, so it was probably pre-arranged to find a pickup spot near there as traffic would allow. Miller could have possibly picked the particular parking spot because it was directly behind Jaden Bradley’s car. How that ended up in such close proximity to the Jeep driven at that point by Cedric Johnson with Jamea Harris in the passenger seat is honestly one of the biggest unknowns to me with what info we have. Even if you believe the worst about Miller, all he could have possibly known was that some otherwise not described guy was bothering Miles, so I don’t think it’s likely that Miller intentionally chose to park close to them. The surveillance footage is reported to show that the Jeep didn’t end up behind his car until it had turned around from the other side of the street, which would seem to either be a tragic coincidence in which the shooting never would have happened had they not turned around, or evidence that Johnson was looking to escalate the situation himself. Johnson hasn’t been charged with any wrongdoing, so I don’t think it’s fair to assume the worst about him at this point either, but this may end up being a key element of the trial since Miles and Davis apparently plan to argue self defense.
3) Jaden Bradley had been hanging out with Miles and Davis in 12/25 for most of the night, and didn’t just suddenly show up in time for the shooting. He apparently stayed in his car while Miles transferred the gun to Davis and then drove off the moment the shooting started. Since it doesn’t appear he had an active role in anything, he’s never been considered a suspect.
It was like 2 weeks after the killing that Oaks had his”wrong place wrong time” interview. Unreal that Oats supposedly had no ideal that Miller had the gun in his car. BAMA did a horrible job of looking into this. At the very least Miller should of sat a few games until the smoke cleared. Then to continue with pat downs of Miller just show some screws loose at Bama. If that went on at UK would y’all be OK with it. NOT ME!!
It was like 2 weeks after the killing that Oaks had his”wrong place wrong time” interview. Unreal that Oats supposedly had no ideal that Miller had the gun in his car. BAMA did a horrible job of looking into this. At the very least Miller should of sat a few games until the smoke cleared. Then to continue with pat downs of Miller just show some screws loose at Bama. If that went on at UK would y’all be OK with it. NOT MEi
You wrote a very generic text. The detective said miles said”Bring me my joint we got a ni@@@r here faking us. That means he is disrespecting us or punking us. That kinda takes just innocently delivering the gun out if he saw the text.
As I stated before, the article I read on AL.com(Birmingham News) specifically stated that according to the police investigation, the shooting took place in the 400 block of Grace St. Yes Grace St. is across from 12/25, but 400 block is not and seems to be an unlikely pre-arranged pick up spot. I don't know of anyone making any statement that it was an entirely different part of town.
Never insinuated that Jaden Bradley had an active role in anything, but he and Miller arrived at the scene together in separate cars according to what I read.
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Wasn’t it reported somewhere that Miller used his car to block the victims car and Millers car had gun shots in it? Did I dream this or was it originally reported
I kinda read that at first but later it was reported the victims car pulled behind him with its lights out.
Something damning I just thought about If Miller had no ideal the gun was in his backseat. Why would Miles say bring me my joint. That tells me according to what Miles texted that Miller knew the gun was in his car. Does that make sense to y’all. I don’t know how I missed this!!
Police allege that Miller's vehicle and teammate Jaden Bradley's vehicle, who was also on the scene, were blocking the Jeep that Harris was later found dead in. However, Miller's attorney denied that claim, saying in a statement that, "Brandon had already parked on Grace Street when the jeep pulled up behind him."
"The street was never blocked by Brandon's vehicle," his attorney said.
Even if he didn't see that text, ( which I doubt, but that is only speculation) that statement implies that Miles definitely thought that Miller knew where the gun was.
But Miles texting him bring me my joint. If he texted that to me I would think why he he wanting me to bring him a gun. Even if he didn’t see the text why would Miles say bring me my gun if Miller didn’t know he had a gun in car doesn’t make sense to ask him to bring him the gun. Am I wrong on how I am putting this together?
Excellent point! I also think that the idea that he didn't read the text is a bit far-fetched. But, it would be hard to prove one way or the other.
My thought exactly don’t know why it took me so long to get this. Kinda hard to believe no one ran with this to drag Miller into this.
Point taken let me ask you this, if Miller was playing at one the following schools
UK
KU
UNC
Duke
would he have missed games / still be playing?
How is not seeing and reading a text during a 5 minute span far fetched? You mean to tell me you see and read every text you receive well within 5 minutes, even while driving your car.
How many 18-20 year olds you not see with a phone in their face?
Has never been a claim that Miller was not aware of a gun being in his car. Miles owned the gun legally so it is rather likely and safe to assume miller had seen miles with the same gun before. Miles had already text him shortly after 1:00 to come pick him up. Then again 10 minutes later asking how long he would be. Then at 1:38 miles sent the text asking miller to bring him his gun and miller arrived 5 minutes later at 1:43.
My teenager scolds me if I am texting while driving but maybe you are observing a lot more 18-20 year old than me.
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