On Brandon Miller

[PhattyJ4UK]

Pasting this from a reply, because I guarantee the same discussion will come up each time Bama wins a game.

Attorney here. Licensed in multiple states, including Alabama. This may not be a popular take, and I probably will be excoriated for it. What do you want to happen? Do you to kill the kid? There has been a lot of misinformation about the incident. Brandon Miller was not going to a “club,” which some extrapolated to mean a strip club. It is the name of a restaurant in Tuscaloosa. The line was long, he dropped the shooter off and said he would collect him later. There is no evidence at all that he even read the text message, and his fingerprints were not on the gun. As soon as shots were fired, Miller himself took the vehicle to Tuscaloosa PD. If you think police are willing to risk pension and benefits to give preferential treatment to an athlete, you do not understand how society works. As it relates to prosecutors, they risk disbarment if they do not vigorously go after each case. There is nothing here. It was a tragedy. From a legal, there is no argument to be made. I guess you can say the school should have done something, but for what? As much as the “wrong place, wrong time” comments seemed out of line, in a sense Oats is write. Read all the pleadings. This sanctimonious take, compounded by our Bama hatred (I die Kentucky blue) is just a weird, obsessive position. It is done. Complaining on this board will not bring the victim back. She should be alive, but that does not Brandon Miller should be in jail or not playing. As a UK fan, I can say that it takes a lot of mental toughness to play through this. As human beings who want vengeance, we can’t accept the fact that he got through this, and even more so that he is thriving. What does Brandon Miller have to do with those shirts? What does Brandon Miller have to do with Oats’ comments? I think the Vanderbilt fans screaming “murderer,” when they could less of a damn about the young woman who was killed, is the real grotesque situation. We need to check ourselves. As someone who loves Clay Travis, I lost so much respect for his need to issue a “hot take” without even researching the minutiae of the case, especially as a licensed attorney. Posting on this board will not bring her back, as much as I wish it could. It will not stop Alabama. It will not Brandon Miller from earning millions. He has zero criminal background. I truly think he is not a bad human being.

You’re 100% correct. There’s actually zero evidence miller did anything wrong besides give a ride to someone who brought a gun. He even dropped them off at the bar while he went to just eat because he wasn’t out partying.

This whole board gets incredibly envious of anyone else they think is stealing our rightful place. If this was a firman player there would have been a one page thread one time. Or even if it was like a player on a good team that we never have issue with… say like st Mary’s. Nothing. Bama is having the season a lot here thought we would.

But, if you’re an attorney - spell the simple words right man. Cmon lol.

Let's discuss this, Miller got a text from Miles asking Miller to bring a gun to him. Miller didn't even stop to ask his friend as to why you need a gun knowing it's a gun free zone on the campus, even the parking lot. It's a felony to have a gun on campus. So, if you want to get technical about it, Miller should have been charged for bringing an unconsealed weapon to Miles and his friend.

Miller needs to be charged with an accessory to commit murder. Miller brought them the gun and in Alabama, even if you didn't commit the crime, you're charged as well.

The university of Alabama should be absolutely ashamed of allowing Miller to play. Alabama only cares about the money instead of doing what's right.

As for Miller, he didn't hesitate one second to bring a gun. Regardless of what the OP or anyone else might say, in the real world if that had been me or anyone else bringing a gun that killed someone, I'm going to get arrested as well.

I was going to read the whole thread to see if anyone changed their tune and maybe thought to themselves that they should actually try to gain some knowledge and facts …. But couldn’t even get though your first paragraph without coming across “fake news”. Nothing says he was on campus with a gun. Nothing says he even knew about the gun. And being that it was concealed under a jacket in the back seat it was perfectly legal means of transporting a firearm in Alabama as concealed carry is legal without a permit.

You have zero clue what happened.

 

[PhattyJ4UK]

Part of the transcript is one individual telling another where the firearm is located. He describes it as in the hat and then informs him there is a round in the chamber. At least that’s my recollection from reading them earlier today. I don’t think the conversation involved Miller, but it was shortly after he arrived back in the parking lot.

Therefore, I believe a reasonable person would understand that conversation would have been easily heard by the driver of the vehicle with which the firearm was contained in. And this conversation would take more time than the 2-3 seconds you are describing.

You really can’t comprehend a scenario where two people waiting for a car to arrive have a short instructional conversation without the driver of said car that they are not inside of hearing?

How about this- they’re standing at the curb. Car parks Man a says: “yo b-mil is here grab the tone in the backseat it’s wrapped up in my hat.” “Aight cuzzzz “. Opens car door “what up b, catch ya at practice tomorrow”. Closes door.

 

[indianskid7220]

You really can’t comprehend a scenario where two people waiting for a car to arrive have a short instructional conversation without the driver of said car that they are not inside of hearing?

How about this- they’re standing at the curb. Car parks Man a says: “yo b-mil is here grab the tone in the backseat it’s wrapped up in my hat.” “Aight cuzzzz “. Opens car door “what up b, catch ya at practice tomorrow”. Closes door.

I have done nothing but try to comprehend this whole thing. I have even asked for transcripts and the video surveillance many have referenced for sake of discussion. And while that is plausible it’s in conflict with the officers testimony.

You on the other hand come into this thread with what seems to be an explicit bias and preconceived notions about the others who have been having a very civil discussion. I’m not the one throwing hand grenades directed at others my friend.

Also, I know you’re “down with the homies” or whatever given your name on here, but please try to refrain from using racial stereotypes and vernacular in your posts. No matter your race or chosen lifestyle, the above post is offensive and honestly should be humiliating to you for posting it.

 

[cats2010]

Part of the transcript is one individual telling another where the firearm is located. He describes it as in the hat and then informs him there is a round in the chamber. At least that’s my recollection from reading them earlier today. I don’t think the conversation involved Miller, but it was shortly after he arrived back in the parking lot.

Therefore, I believe a reasonable person would understand that conversation would have been easily heard by the driver of the vehicle with which the firearm was contained in. And this conversation would take more time than the 2-3 seconds you are describing.

The conversation you are referring to is mikes talking to Davis when he hands him the gun. I am not sure where miles and Davis was standing when that did take place but either way yes that’s a very quick conversation as well and Miller isn’t a part of that conversation. Even if he were would you expect miller to try and confront a drunk Davis and get the gun from him once he was aware what was going on? Remember he doesn’t really know Davis that well at all as Davis is a friend of miles. Miller never left his car and is completely oblivious to the dust up that has taken place.

 

[shano]

Please don't tell me you have sympathy for Jesse Smolett!! He's scum and a true racist.

Yeah that piece of crap was a total liar. GTFOH with that B.S.

 

[indianskid7220]

The conversation you are referring to is mikes talking to Davis when he hands him the gun. I am not sure where miles and Davis was standing when that did take place but either way yes that’s a very quick conversation as well and Miller isn’t a part of that conversation. Even if he were would you expect miller to try and confront a drunk Davis and get the gun from him once he was aware what was going on? Remember he doesn’t really know Davis that well at all as Davis is a friend of miles. Miller never left his car and is completely oblivious to the dust up that has taken place.

I went down the rabbit hole trying to understand Alabama law and how “there is nothing to charge him with” could be possible. And as I expected, it is not true.

Nathaniel Woods never pulled the trigger, but the accomplice law sent him to death row

Nathaniel Woods was convicted in 2004 in connection to the deaths of three Birmingham police officers, though the gunman says he played no part in the crime.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

There is an example of their accomplice law being put to action. I think there are actually a couple examples but only one goes in depth.

The case they are referencing here seems to be a strange one. It reads as if a man was having an encounter with police officers. The encounter took a turn towards resisting as suspect 1 was arguing with officers about having a warrant. Then suspect 2 arrives and seemingly opens fire on officers. Both men were charged for their murders, convicted, and sentenced to death. In the article it discusses how prosecutors never presented evidence showing suspect 1 had a firearm or touched the firearm or fired any shots.

Now I will admit, I spent minimal time in this research. I’m sure there is some other evidence not discussed in the article, after all that’s what makes for good reading.

However it is eerily similar to this case we are discussing. Suspect 1 never touched a gun in the incident or knew of a gun being introduced. Miller admits he never touched the gun or even had knowledge of the gun. However, Miller did receive a text message asking for a gun to be brought to the scene and did in fact bring the gun. Whether intentionally or not, he provided the gun with or without the knowledge of the situation.

This case right here proves Alabama could have charged Miller. Now I will also say this, Mr Miller is referred to as a cooperating witness. That tells me there is a strong possibility his attorney struck a deal in exchange for his cooperation and probable testimony in the upcoming trial. The title “cooperating witness” is usually reserved for those kinds of situations. Not always but usually.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Yeah that piece of crap was a total liar. GTFOH with that B.S.

I replied to the same post that you just quoted and made it clear I wasn't in any way supporting Smollett. In fact, my post was in reply to the OP claiming that prosecutors don't have a bias. The prosecutor who refused to prosecute Smollett was clearly biased. That is the fact I was quoting. It is important to read my post in the context of the discussion. (I did edit my post to make it more clear.)

 

[CrimsonCats]

I went down the rabbit hole trying to understand Alabama law and how “there is nothing to charge him with” could be possible. And as I expected, it is not true.

Nathaniel Woods never pulled the trigger, but the accomplice law sent him to death row

Nathaniel Woods was convicted in 2004 in connection to the deaths of three Birmingham police officers, though the gunman says he played no part in the crime.

www.montgomeryadvertiser.com

There is an example of their accomplice law being put to action. I think there are actually a couple examples but only one goes in depth.

The case they are referencing here seems to be a strange one. It reads as if a man was having an encounter with police officers. The encounter took a turn towards resisting as suspect 1 was arguing with officers about having a warrant. Then suspect 2 arrives and seemingly opens fire on officers. Both men were charged for their murders, convicted, and sentenced to death. In the article it discusses how prosecutors never presented evidence showing suspect 1 had a firearm or touched the firearm or fired any shots.

Now I will admit, I spent minimal time in this research. I’m sure there is some other evidence not discussed in the article, after all that’s what makes for good reading.

However it is eerily similar to this case we are discussing. Suspect 1 never touched a gun in the incident or knew of a gun being introduced. Miller admits he never touched the gun or even had knowledge of the gun. However, Miller did receive a text message asking for a gun to be brought to the scene and did in fact bring the gun. Whether intentionally or not, he provided the gun with or without the knowledge of the situation.

This case right here proves Alabama could have charged Miller. Now I will also say this, Mr Miller is referred to as a cooperating witness. That tells me there is a strong possibility his attorney struck a deal in exchange for his cooperation and probable testimony in the upcoming trial. The title “cooperating witness” is usually reserved for those kinds of situations. Not always but usually.

The difference would seem to be that for the accomplice law to be triggered, the charged accomplices were already in the process of committing a lesser crime (resisting arrest, breaking and entering, making drug deals, carjacking, etc.) when things turned deadly rather than merely being passive presences at the scene. Maybe, and it’s a big maybe, if you had a prosecutor who wanted to be super aggressive and make a point, they could have tried to argue that Miller fit the “reckless disregard for human life” criteria by showing up with the gun, but that would be a tough stretch because it’s unclear if he was even aware of the gun, and even less certain that he had any intent to deliver it to anyone. The circumstantial evidence points to him thinking he was picking up his friends to go somewhere else, which is neither a crime nor even a reckless behavior.

 

[indianskid7220]

The difference would seem to be that for the accomplice law to be triggered, the charged accomplices were already in the process of committing a lesser crime (resisting arrest, breaking and entering, making drug deals, carjacking, etc.) when things turned deadly rather than merely being passive presences at the scene. Maybe, and it’s a big maybe, if you had a prosecutor who wanted to be super aggressive and make a point, they could have tried to argue that Miller fit the “reckless disregard for human life” criteria by showing up with the gun, but that would be a tough stretch because it’s unclear if he was even aware of the gun, and even less certain that he had any intent to deliver it to anyone. The circumstantial evidence points to him thinking he was picking up his friends to go somewhere else, which is neither a crime nor even a reckless behavior.

I completely agree with you. My point from the above is the lack of transparency and the lack of an unbiased criminal Justice approach. It seems to me the easiest and most logical move was to present the entire case to grand jury at the same time. Once the case had been presented, the prosecutor could have said ok these are the people involved and here is all the charges that might possibly be applicable. But instead the DA, and I’m sure others, decided to not mention it for as long as possible and then say he did not violate the law when it finally did come out.

Throughout this entire discussion I have said probable cause exists. I never said he was guilty. My issue is the rules are different for some. I guess the call for transparency stops when it’s someone famous, wealthy, or powerful.

 

[TDelk9596]

Let's discuss this, Miller got a text from Miles asking Miller to bring a gun to him. Miller didn't even stop to ask his friend as to why you need a gun knowing it's a gun free zone on the campus, even the parking lot. It's a felony to have a gun on campus. So, if you want to get technical about it, Miller should have been charged for bringing an unconsealed weapon to Miles and his friend.

Miller needs to be charged with an accessory to commit murder. Miller brought them the gun and in Alabama, even if you didn't commit the crime, you're charged as well.

The university of Alabama should be absolutely ashamed of allowing Miller to play. Alabama only cares about the money instead of doing what's right.

As for Miller, he didn't hesitate one second to bring a gun.

Miller was on his way to pick up Miles from the bar when he received the text. Miles had been texting him for an hour to pick him up. His intent was picking Miles up and Miller only received the gun text minutes before parking his car.

Another note, Millers car was parked when the jeep pulled up behind him without their lights on. The jeep pulled up to the scene, Miles grabbed the gun out of Miller’s car, and handed it to Davis.

Miller’s car was blocked in between Bradley’s car and the jeep. He couldn’t have left even if he knew the situation.

Also - none of this took place on campus, so not sure where that comment is coming from.

 

[NC Weasel]

My beef with Oates & 'Bama was they really should have sit him the week this happened while they were getting things sorted out.

ESPN's article discussed viewing all the video from the street that night. So while everyone puts their own little spin on it, its worth noting that everything Miller told the police matches what can be seen on the video. The only thing that can't be verified is whether or not he read the second text.

Miles appears to be fairly honest, except when he says he moves his girlfriend around the corner to get her away from a different altercation. Clearly he knows Davis and Harris are about to exchange gunfire. But that is speculation on my part, the video just shows him doing it.

I encourage everyone to read the whole ESPN timeline and analysis. I probably won't have charged Miller either. But Oates could not have known that the first few days. THATS when he should have proceeded with caution, because a young mother was killed. The "wrong place, wrong time" was misplaced because Miller was involved, just not in a criminal way.

 

[docholiday51]

My beef with Oates & 'Bama was they really should have sit him the week this happened while they were getting things sorted out.

ESPN's article discussed viewing all the video from the street that night. So while everyone puts their own little spin on it, its worth noting that everything Miller told the police matches what can be seen on the video. The only thing that can't be verified is whether or not he read the second text.

Miles appears to be fairly honest, except when he says he moves his girlfriend around the corner to get her away from a different altercation. Clearly he knows Davis and Harris are about to exchange gunfire. But that is speculation on my part, the video just shows him doing it.

I encourage everyone to read the whole ESPN timeline and analysis. I probably won't have charged Miller either. But Oates could not have known that the first few days. THATS when he should have proceeded with caution, because a young mother was killed. The "wrong place, wrong time" was misplaced because Miller was involved, just not in a criminal way.

This is the bare minimum that ANY AD and coach should have done. The fact that they did nothing speaks volumes as to how they do their jobs.

 

[Blue_2_the_bone]

My beef with Oates & 'Bama was they really should have sit him the week this happened while they were getting things sorted out.

ESPN's article discussed viewing all the video from the street that night. So while everyone puts their own little spin on it, its worth noting that everything Miller told the police matches what can be seen on the video. The only thing that can't be verified is whether or not he read the second text.

Miles appears to be fairly honest, except when he says he moves his girlfriend around the corner to get her away from a different altercation. Clearly he knows Davis and Harris are about to exchange gunfire. But that is speculation on my part, the video just shows him doing it.

I encourage everyone to read the whole ESPN timeline and analysis. I probably won't have charged Miller either. But Oates could not have known that the first few days. THATS when he should have proceeded with caution, because a young mother was killed. The "wrong place, wrong time" was misplaced because Miller was involved, just not in a criminal way.

Agree. I’ve seen nothing in the whole case that proves Miller knowingly assisted in the shooting. It’s a terrible situation and Bama/Oates should have handled it differently. I don’t believe Miller should be kicked off the team or suspended indefinitely, but sitting him for a few days while everything is straightened out would have been the right move.

 

[TDelk9596]

It would have been the right move to protect themselves (Oats/University), but at Brandon Millers expense.

It’s actually somewhat refreshing seeing a university put players interest before their own in the face of a PR nightmare

And 1000% the decision to play him went above Oats. The AD/President/Board of Trustees would have been the decision makers.

 

[michaeluk26]

You’re 100% correct. There’s actually zero evidence miller did anything wrong besides give a ride to someone who brought a gun. He even dropped them off at the bar while he went to just eat because he wasn’t out partying.

This whole board gets incredibly envious of anyone else they think is stealing our rightful place. If this was a firman player there would have been a one page thread one time. Or even if it was like a player on a good team that we never have issue with… say like st Mary’s. Nothing. Bama is having the season a lot here thought we would.

But, if you’re an attorney - spell the simple words right man. Cmon lol.




I was going to read the whole thread to see if anyone changed their tune and maybe thought to themselves that they should actually try to gain some knowledge and facts …. But couldn’t even get though your first paragraph without coming across “fake news”. Nothing says he was on campus with a gun. Nothing says he even knew about the gun. And being that it was concealed under a jacket in the back seat it was perfectly legal means of transporting a firearm in Alabama as concealed carry is legal without a permit.

You have zero clue what happened.

Bro I generally agree with most things you post on here. Having said that I'm not envious of nothing. The media wouldn't cover it that much if it happened at Furman sure. But this is the SEC and the #1 Seed in the tournament and the best player in the country on said team so way more exposure. I'm not envious of BAMA or Miller. They're no threat to us in there long run.

Nope my entire problem with this is the two tiered justice system, as I've said from the start. If this was B. Miller of Tuscaloosa, just a regular dude, he'd be in jail. I'm sick and tired of the Rich, Athletes, Celebrities ect staying out of jail because they can afford great lawyers vs the poor who have public pretenders. The poor have have no chance and end up accepting bogus plea agreements just to get out of jail. I'm thankful I make enough to afford a great attorney because I had the audacity to have a seizure and ended up with bogus charges of assaulting police and EMS. I ain't taking no deal. If I lose my trial I'll get 10 years but I won't admit guilt to a medical emergency. I say that to say a guy who couldn't make bail twice like I had to they will sign anything just to get out of jail and then end up messing up their probation for something petty and end up doing real time.

It's rich vs poor in our joke of a system. I read a study a couple years ago that showed almost 90% of people in prisons were either poor or mentally ill.

 

[SkyPrince1]

Bro I generally agree with most things you post on here. Having said that I'm not envious of nothing. The media wouldn't cover it that much if it happened at Furman sure. But this is the SEC and the #1 Seed in the tournament and the best player in the country on said team so way more exposure. I'm not envious of BAMA or Miller. They're no threat to us in there long run.

Nope my entire problem with this is the two tiered justice system, as I've said from the start. If this was B. Miller of Tuscaloosa, just a regular dude, he'd be in jail. I'm sick and tired of the Rich, Athletes, Celebrities ect staying out of jail because they can afford great lawyers vs the poor who have public pretenders. The poor have have no chance and end up accepting bogus plea agreements just to get out of jail. I'm thankful I make enough to afford a great attorney because I had the audacity to have a seizure and ended up with bogus charges of assaulting police and EMS. I ain't taking no deal. If I lose my trial I'll get 10 years but I won't admit guilt to a medical emergency. I say that to say a guy who couldn't make bail twice like I had to they will sign anything just to get out of jail and then end up messing up their probation for something petty and end up doing real time.

It's rich vs poor in our joke of a system. I read a study a couple years ago that showed almost 90% of people in prisons were either poor or mentally ill
Good luck, hope the facts are on your side.
10 seems steep for an assault charge.

 

[KMKAT]

The gun is legally registered to Miles, its not against the law to bring Your friend or relative their legally owned firearm....now if you knew beyond a doubt that it was fixing to be used in a murder, then that's another issue. But Miller claims he didn't know about it and definitely didn't know it was going to be used in a crime. Obviously there's no proof that he knew or he would've been charged.

Don't you have to seriously ask if shots are being fired, why are you heading towards that confrontation instead of away from it? These guys had bad intentions and they were all part of this event.
Also, can you confirm that Coach Oats knew his 'kids' had possession of a gun on campus? Are there not precautions to avoid these situations?

 

[ktbug]

I don't know enough about the case to say wha the criminal case should be. I do know enough that he should have, at the very least, sat for several games.
Missing a game for behavior is very common at the college level.

 

[JRCAT14]

" Miller never left his car and is completely oblivious to the dust up that has taken place."

That is incorrect according to what I read. There was a text or texts from Miles to Miller about it. Maybe what was reported was wrong, but I did read that.

 

[chroix]

If they bring charges in three to four weeks we’ll all know what the deal was.

 

[TDelk9596]

Don't you have to seriously ask if shots are being fired, why are you heading towards that confrontation instead of away from it? These guys had bad intentions and they were all part of this event.
Also, can you confirm that Coach Oats knew his 'kids' had possession of a gun on campus? Are there not precautions to avoid these situations?

First, the gun wasn’t on campus.

Secondly, Miller was picking up Miles from the bar and was parked on a narrow side street. The other vehicle(jeep) pulled up behind Millers car with his lights turned off. Miles goes to Millers car, gets the gun and gives it to Davis. Outside of tackling Miles, Miller couldn’t do anything at that point. He was stuck in between two vehicles.

 

[JRCAT14]

"First, the gun wasn’t on campus."

Not when and where the incident occurred, but what about before? Did Miller and Miles drive away from campus and pick up the gun from a location off campus before Miller dropped him off at the club? There are a lot of questions that still need to be asked and answered concerning this matter. Maybe they have been and just not been made public. Then again, maybe not.

 

[cats2010]

That is incorrect according to what I read. There was a text or texts from Miles to Miller about it. Maybe what was reported was wrong, but I did read that.

From the espn article:

At 1:38 a.m., police testified, Miles texted Miller again, asking him to bring Miles' gun -- that some guys were "faking." Miles' lawyer, Mary Turner, said during the hearing that she'd looked up a reference to "faking" and that it meant "threatening." It's unclear whether Miller saw the text.

At 1:43 a.m. millers car pulled up behind Bradley’s car, and miles stepped out of Bradley’s car.

Miller arrives on the scene within 5:00 of the text message being sent. Since he was driving and on his way there already it is very plausible for him to not have seen that text and as far as he was concerned was on his way to pick up miles. The first shot was fired at 1:45, within 2 minutes of millers arrival so everything happened really fast. Really hard to say how miller could have stopped everything from happening or how he had a clue something like this was about to go down. You have to believe he was ok with a guy getting handed a gun knowing he was going to go back and shoot someone in a car parked directly behind him. Simply nothing there to suggest he knew anything other than a text that was sent 5:00 before his arrival.

Bama handled this horribly and should have released a statement on millers involvement from the beginning and say he was going to sit out at least a few games until a full findings discovery could completely exonerate him from any wrong doing. Had they done so, the blowback now would be next to nothing.

 

[JRCAT14]

From the espn article:

At 1:38 a.m., police testified, Miles texted Miller again, asking him to bring Miles' gun -- that some guys were "faking." Miles' lawyer, Mary Turner, said during the hearing that she'd looked up a reference to "faking" and that it meant "threatening." It's unclear whether Miller saw the text.

At 1:43 a.m. millers car pulled up behind Bradley’s car, and miles stepped out of Bradley’s car.

Miller arrives on the scene within 5:00 of the text message being sent. Since he was driving and on his way there already it is very plausible for him to not have seen that text and as far as he was concerned was on his way to pick up miles. The first shot was fired at 1:45, within 2 minutes of millers arrival so everything happened really fast. Really hard to say how miller could have stopped everything from happening or how he had a clue something like this was about to go down. You have to believe he was ok with a guy getting handed a gun knowing he was going to go back and shoot someone in a car parked directly behind him. Simply nothing there to suggest he knew anything other than a text that was sent 5:00 before his arrival.

Bama handled this horribly and should have released a statement on millers involvement from the beginning and say he was going to sit out at least a few games until a full findings discovery could completely exonerate him from any wrong doing. Had they done so, the blowback now would be next to nothing.

I would only be speculating if I assume Miller did indeed read the text, but if I did make an assumption, based on how often I have seen a teenager fail to read a text for five minutes under any circumstance, I would believe he did. Again, I know that is speculation, but let me point out that to assume he didn't is also speculation regardless of what a defense attorney says.
For example, Davis's attorney is pleading self defense. Right!!!!

Completely agree with your last paragraph.

 

[TDelk9596]

Not when and where the incident occurred, but what about before? Did Miller and Miles drive away from campus and pick up the gun from a location off campus before Miller dropped him off at the club? There are a lot of questions that still need to be asked and answered concerning this matter. Maybe they have been and just not been made public. Then again, maybe not.

No, Miller has a dashcam on his car and turned it over to police, so if he committed a crime by driving the gun on campus then police would have evidence of that I’d assume

 

[JRCAT14]

No, Miller has a dashcam on his car and turned it over to police, so if he committed a crime by driving the gun on campus then police would have evidence of that I’d assume

How in the world would a dashcam necessarily prove when the gun was put in the car?

 

[cats2010]

I would only be speculating if I assume Miller did indeed read the text, but if I did make an assumption, based on how often I have seen a teenager fail to read a text for five minutes under any circumstance, I would believe he did. Again, I know that is speculation, but let me point out that to assume he didn't is also speculation regardless of what a defense attorney says. Davis's attorney is pleading self defense. Right!!!!

Completely agree with your last paragraph.

My experience of teenagers and younger people in general reading text is the opposite. Have seen many hours go by without reading and responding. Quite possible he was keeping an eye on text as miles was to text him for a ride home but after getting the text and on his way no need to pay attention further.

 

[JRCAT14]

My experience of teenagers and younger people in general reading text is the opposite. Have seen many hours go by without reading and responding. Quite possible he was keeping an eye on text as miles was to text him for a ride home but after getting the text and on his way no need to pay attention further.

Don't disagree that is possible. My point is, that is an assumption just like assuming that he did read it. Therefore one can't without factual evidence say that " he was "completely oblivious to the dust up that has taken place."

 

[docholiday51]

Bring my gun to a location where there are people at 1 AM. Did Miller think there was going to be a 100 yard dash and they needed a starters pistol? Seem logical to me

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

From the espn article:

At 1:38 a.m., police testified, Miles texted Miller again, asking him to bring Miles' gun -- that some guys were "faking." Miles' lawyer, Mary Turner, said during the hearing that she'd looked up a reference to "faking" and that it meant "threatening." It's unclear whether Miller saw the text.

At 1:43 a.m. millers car pulled up behind Bradley’s car, and miles stepped out of Bradley’s car.

Miller arrives on the scene within 5:00 of the text message being sent. Since he was driving and on his way there already it is very plausible for him to not have seen that text and as far as he was concerned was on his way to pick up miles. The first shot was fired at 1:45, within 2 minutes of millers arrival so everything happened really fast. Really hard to say how miller could have stopped everything from happening or how he had a clue something like this was about to go down. You have to believe he was ok with a guy getting handed a gun knowing he was going to go back and shoot someone in a car parked directly behind him. Simply nothing there to suggest he knew anything other than a text that was sent 5:00 before his arrival.

Bama handled this horribly and should have released a statement on millers involvement from the beginning and say he was going to sit out at least a few games until a full findings discovery could completely exonerate him from any wrong doing. Had they done so, the blowback now would be next to nothing.

I just did a Map quest of driving from Bryant Hall (Where freshman engineers and student Athletes are housed) to The Strip which is where the shooting took place. It is 1 Mile away or a 3 minute drive.... Seems to line up perfectly with reading a text and driving there to pick them up if you ask me.

 

[cats2010]

Don't disagree that is possible. My point is, that is an assumption just like assuming that he did read it. Therefore one can't without factual evidence say that " he was "completely oblivious to the dust up that has taken place."

Agreed on that last part but the absolute most he could have known was what miles put in his text, that some guy was threatening. Hard to guess what that even means without all the context that went with it was my main initial point. And obviously we don’t know if he even saw that.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

Just read a new story on the case. It said that Miles texted Miller and told him to bring his gun to him. So Miller did supply the gun that did the killing. And it is hard to believe those fans mocking the killing with their shirts.

 

[fabcat]

Just read a new story on the case. It said that Miles texted Miller and told him to bring his gun to him. So Miller did supply the gun that did the killing. And it is hard to believe those fans mocking the killing with their shirts.

That’s not new. That’s been written in other articles ect: since the beginning of the Miller saga.

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

That’s not new. That’s been written in other articles ect: since the beginning of the Miller saga.

Just mean a new article out. So suppose nothing has changed.

 

[cats2010]

I just did a Map quest of driving from Bryant Hall (Where freshman engineers and student Athletes are housed) to The Strip which is where the shooting took place. It is 1 Mile away or a 3 minute drive.... Seems to line up perfectly with reading a text and driving there to pick them up if you ask me.

The first text miles sent was at 1:03 to come pick him up. Also miller allegedly wasn’t just sitting at the dorm room waiting. He went to a restaurant after dropping them off at 11:30. Unclear where he was at at 1:03 when the text was first sent. Also a text sent at 1:10 asking how long he would be. No mention of Miller ever replying to that text.

 

[SkyPrince1]

I just did a Map quest of driving from Bryant Hall (Where freshman engineers and student Athletes are housed) to The Strip which is where the shooting took place. It is 1 Mile away or a 3 minute drive.... Seems to line up perfectly with reading a text and driving there to pick them up if you ask me.

You think a prosecutor would every present. that senerio to a jury.
Defense would eat that alive.
Like the DA said from the get go, "there's nothing we can change him(Miller) with.
There sure as hell isn't anything you could convict him of.
So many if's but's and maybes in all this no way you could get 12 jurors to all see things the same way.

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

Seems like Millers exact movements are pretty important to whether or not he would have or should have known the situation. I would think campus or restaurants would have cameras to help track the cars movements at least

 

[CincinnatiWildcat]

You think a prosecutor would every present. that senerio to a jury.
Defense would eat that alive.
Like the DA said from the get go, "there's nothing we can change him(Miller) with.
There sure as hell isn't anything you could convict him of.
So many if's but's and maybes in all this no way you could get 12 jurors to all see things the same way.

No i don’t think a prosecutor would use that, i think a prosecutor would have the ability to get video footage from campus or local businesses and track the movements of all the people to vehicles involved, none of which people on a message board can attain.

 

[CrimsonCats]

Seems like Millers exact movements are pretty important to whether or not he would have or should have known the situation. I would think campus or restaurants would have cameras to help track the cars movements at least

Even more precisely than that, his car reportedly had a dash cam that police reviewed and determined it corroborated his story.

 

[TDelk9596]

How in the world would a dashcam necessarily prove when the gun was put in the car?

If it was Miles’ gun you’d have to assume it was when Miller picked Miles up.

Does anyone here know where Miller or Miles lives?

It’s seems we’re reaching now if we want Miller to be arrested for driving through campus with a gun in his car(unknowingly).