Official Steph Curry is GOAT thread
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Curry is not a great finisher, if your speaking to the clutch factor. He's actually, laughably, about as un-clutch as you can be. Now, I think part of that is just weird luck, to miss on the amount of late game shots as he's had. But im not going to pretend, either, that when the game is on the line, Curry is the guy I want, more than anyone, taking the shot. Because I don't.
Clint Capela. Lol. Cp3 for two years during his most injured portion of his career. That's about it. The fact that teams were able to double Harden as often as they did, spoke to the fact that Houston just didn't really have a title-contending roster, outside of Harden. There's a reason we've been THE worst team in the NBA, since he left. That's no coincidence. When Harden leaves Houston, we win 15 or 20 games. When Golden State just loses Curry, it's a roster that can still win. They only sucked two years ago because they ALSO lost Klay.
Clint Capela. Lol. Cp3 for two years during his most injured portion of his career. That's about it. The fact that teams were able to double Harden as often as they did, spoke to the fact that Houston just didn't really have a title-contending roster, outside of Harden. There's a reason we've been THE worst team in the NBA, since he left. That's no coincidence. When Harden leaves Houston, we win 15 or 20 games. When Golden State just loses Curry, it's a roster that can still win. They only sucked two years ago because they ALSO lost Klay.
I was meaning in terms of finishing at the rim. For a guard, he is elite at finishing through contact and at the rim. His floaters are just deadly; he shoots well over 50% from inside the three-point line. He has all of the intangibles; I almost liken him to Tom Brady the way that he leads his teams and has multiple championships. He has missed some late shots, but he has shown to be clutch recently. He was clutch in Game 5 vs. Denver, in Game 1 vs. Memphis, and took over in Game 4 vs. Memphis.
Harden was AWFUL this series. I expected more from the Sixers. Houston has decided to rebuild, and lost almost everyone from the 2016-2019 roster, which is why they're terrible.
In the past, I've said there's a lot of similarities in Steph and Brady's careers/accomplishments.. but not for the reasons you think, and not for the ones you'd want to hear or agree with.
But Tom Brady still doesn't lose to a team without it's best player in THAT fashion. For as much as I think Brady is overrated, he does have that weird brain/innate ability to just win. He knows what it takes to win, and he knows what he himself has to sacrifice to win. I've seen nothing of the sort from Curry. He's gotten better with late game heroics, but he spent much of his career missing the big shots.
As for Harden, he's just washed. I think the series against GSW broke him, and he's now in this mode where he's become a cancer. It's like he's still pissed that he had to carry Houston those 2-3 years in the playoffs, and he just can't get over that. So he wants to be traded, has attitude problems, won't work on his game, won't stay in shape. I think he's broken.
In his defense though, he had the unfortunate career timing to go up against a super team of epic proportions. Houston adds two titles if it plays anyone else, but just too much talent (and really, unrealized payroll) for him and Houston to overcome. I also haven't 100% written him off yet, if for nothing else, than Kyrie irving simply not showing up. Harden was signing up to finally have the talent around him, and Kyrie just bails. And Harden almost immediately hit the reset button himself. Still, next year is his last stop. I can give him a pass wanting to leave Houston, and then wanting to leave Kyrie.. but he has to make Phiilly work, or it's on him.
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Steph shot like doo-doo tonight, but got two blocks and made Dillon Brooks extremely inefficient. Also, he hit 4-7 shots, including two threes during the decisive run with about six minutes to go. This is the difference between a veteran team who knows how to get wins, and a young team who came up short in the biggest moments. Three out of four losses for the Grizzlies were winnable games. Memphis is better with Ja, as we saw in Games 4 and 6, but they are still pretty good without him. If he can get better on defense (he's awful), then they can be special. For now, GSW move on to play in the WCF. I think the Warriors will beat whoever comes out; Phoenix and Chris Paul are playing spotty, and I don't think Luka and Mavs are ready yet. I have GSW in 6 unless Paul becomes Point God.
Harden will need to show out next year, but he looks like he doesn't care. Talented scorer for sure (like McGrady), but lacks on the defensive end, and can be highly inefficient. Unless he changes his attitude, I don't think the Sixers will even sniff a Finals (Embiid doesn't win prizes either). I still think Boston comes out of the East, but who knows?
See.. the way Luka is playing now, is the "put the team on my back" type of play that I don't think Curry is capable of. I think he CAN have those games were his insane shooting gets him 50 and he wins..
But stars like Luke just have more tools in their bag. They can do more on the floor. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Lebron can lead almost any team to a win.
Maybe Currys time will come where this GSW is broken up and he has a team like Luka has now.. so maybe we will see if he can also do it. But really, his entire career has been spent on teams with exceptional talent around him, where other guys can and have stepped up, got the win, when his game wasn't on.
But stars like Luke just have more tools in their bag. They can do more on the floor. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Lebron can lead almost any team to a win.
Maybe Currys time will come where this GSW is broken up and he has a team like Luka has now.. so maybe we will see if he can also do it. But really, his entire career has been spent on teams with exceptional talent around him, where other guys can and have stepped up, got the win, when his game wasn't on.
Steph Curry dominates the first matchup vs Luka; everyone was hyping up Luka, only to see him run into a real super star and get owned. Steph Curry shot decently well, got 12 rebounds (!), another steal and a block. He's an insane shot-blocker for a guard, and plays lockdown defense. Luka was grossly inefficient tonight. We'll see wht happens, but right now, it's GOAT 1, Young Blood 0.
Know this is late, but you dont think Curry is a great finisher?? Really? Since 1997 he is 6th among guards in FG% around the rim 3ft or less. Guys above him are guys like Wade, Nash, and Derozan who are all universally recognized as great finishers. And yes, he has a higher % than Harden. Not too mention he has one of the best floaters in the league.
Dallas just went 7 with the 1 seed a few days ago and Wiggins raked him across the face in a sabotage attempt - still got games left - also if you rank the top 6 players in the series gsw prob has 4 so not like Luka has the support like Steph does
You act like it's only one player on each team that counts. In reality, one team has four current or former All-Star versus the other with only one. The series is a mismatch like the Denver series. Steph has proven (last year) that he can't win without a totally loaded team around him. He has that this year.
Curry is not a great shot blocker for a guard as his career average is only 0.2 per game (186 total). Jordan averaged 0.8 per game and had 893 for his career. Curry would need to reach over 450 total to crack the top 10 shot blocking guard list. He will never get close to that. Curry has also never made the all defensive team unlike all the real GOAT candidates.
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If you think this is even a remotely even matchup, or that Steph Curry "puts his team on his back" last night.. lol, I can't teach you about the NBA.
My favorite play last night was Currys over confident no-look pass that sailed past his teammate, so the defense adjusts.. curry runs back, wide open because of thay bad pass, hits a 3, and proceeds to do one of the most cringe worthy dances I've ever seen.
It won't be this season, but at some point, he's not going to have this talent around him. And when he does.. he'll.. probably go down in week 1 with an injury and be out for the season lol.
My favorite play last night was Currys over confident no-look pass that sailed past his teammate, so the defense adjusts.. curry runs back, wide open because of thay bad pass, hits a 3, and proceeds to do one of the most cringe worthy dances I've ever seen.
It won't be this season, but at some point, he's not going to have this talent around him. And when he does.. he'll.. probably go down in week 1 with an injury and be out for the season lol.
Imagine if he was playing the pistons with bill lambeer
Smurf Curry doesn't make the NBA all defensive team (1st or 2nd team) yet again for 2021-22. Looks like he never will and thus can't be considered for GOAT. Draymond made it again though.
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NBA announces 2021-22 Kia All-Defensive 1st and 2nd Teams | NBA.com
Kia Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Smart and Phoenix swingman Mikal Bridges lead the way as the 2021-22 All-Defensive Teams are revealed.
Pretty clear that with Poole running this team, and Klay now back, they could win at least 40 games without Curry. That's how good they are. Their best player goes to the bench, and they are still good enough to take the lead.
Meanwhile Dallas has no post play to speak of, and they have rely on Jalen Brunson as their 2nd best player.
Meanwhile Dallas has no post play to speak of, and they have rely on Jalen Brunson as their 2nd best player.
Steph says "Night Night" to the Mavs, and in the process, is teaching Luka lesson in playoff basketball. Doncic once again starts fast and fades (he got some late baskets when the game was out of reach). Steph slams the door shut on the Mavs with a 4-4 performance in the fourth quarter. Truthfully, Luka and Steph canceled each other out, but Looney was dynamite tonight. Kleber was freakin' booty tonight (got owned on defense and was garbage on offense). This likely goes 5. Luka is a great offensive player, but has a long way to go on "D" (like Ja). Steph cooked him on the "and-one" and on the late three. Steph is still an above average defender, even though he did not get all-defensive. Steph does have a better supporting cast in this series, but the gap is not as wide as one might think.
They have the former #1 overall draft pick and the #3 overall draft pick.. as their role player and bench player.. lmfao.
Stop trying to say these teams are even close to equal in talent.
Curry is the greatest shooter of all time. He's also only won a ring with a ton of help. He's not the overall greatest player. That goes to Jordan.
But basically every other Great player has had a "ton of help" to win their rings as well. Lebron was only able to win when he had guys like Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, Love, and AD. Using the "he got more help" argument for Curry is silly as another poster said as it really isnt even a valid argument as it applies to all the greats.
Jordan had Pippen and Rodman along with the all time leader in 3PT %. He had help as well.
Yet he had the statistics and the awards that steph doesn't have. Steph is the greatest shooter ever. He's not the greatest basketball player ever.
Steph teaches Doncic another lesson with a double-double. Steph is shooting just under 50% from the field and the three in the series (!). Two double-doubles. Doncic put up numbers when they were down 10-15 points. Steph didn't have to do much in the fourth at all because he did all of his damage in the first three quarters to put GSW comfortably ahead. Max Kleber has been TERRIBLE this season. Doncic is a great offensive player, but Steph is better all-around. What Steph has done is nothing short of amazing. In one stretch (between Game 2 and 3), Steph shot 13-18 from the field, with 6-10 three point shooting. This will be the most amazing run except for maybe 2016 Cleveland.
You are a troll at this point…
Ya everyone has a sidekick but curry has had a bunch of all stars around him and the year he didn’t no playoffs
Jordan
Kobe
Lebron
All 3 are superior to Curry - don’t forget Ja getting hurt GSW might not have even made it to WCF
This guy is making people dislike Curry, who is otherwise a pretty good player lol..
Your takes are so bad that it's become you vs a bunch of rational NBA fans who know better. You can't possibly believe some of the stuff you write.
Your takes are so bad that it's become you vs a bunch of rational NBA fans who know better. You can't possibly believe some of the stuff you write.
Obviosuly Curry is not the GOAT and will likely never be, but he is already a consensus top 15-20 player in NBA history as long as being the #2 PG of all time. A title this year and a few more years of him playing at a really high level will make things really intersting and I think he can climb pretty high on the all time lists.
All nba teams were announced and Steph did not make it on the first team - hate to see it
Best PG's of all time are Magic, Oscar Robinson, Stockton, West and everyone else. Curry won't even come close to some of Chris Paul's numbers. For his career, Curry hasn't led his own team in assists (Draymond has). Curry is not an elite defender. He is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time and a volume scorer who only thrives on teams full of all stars.
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Agree. He's not even in the conversation for GOAT guards. I can see him being GOAT for someone born in 2000 or later, I guess.
Interesting factoid I'll go into depth later:
Curry ranks 2nd to LAST, among starting PGs this year, for % of shots that are 2-pointers. Only Devonte Graham spends more of his game past the 3pt line. Curry's total field goals are almost 2/3rds 3-pointers.
So yes, he is a player who spends much of the time roaming the 3pt line. Now that's not really a negative, because it works well. But it showcases me point that Curry is a bit of a one-trick guy. If the 3 isn't falling, he quickly becomes a a detriment. He is in no way a 3-level scorer. Could he be? Probably, but that isn't the point. He simply chooses to play his game away from the paint, and contact, as much as possible.
Curry ranks 2nd to LAST, among starting PGs this year, for % of shots that are 2-pointers. Only Devonte Graham spends more of his game past the 3pt line. Curry's total field goals are almost 2/3rds 3-pointers.
So yes, he is a player who spends much of the time roaming the 3pt line. Now that's not really a negative, because it works well. But it showcases me point that Curry is a bit of a one-trick guy. If the 3 isn't falling, he quickly becomes a a detriment. He is in no way a 3-level scorer. Could he be? Probably, but that isn't the point. He simply chooses to play his game away from the paint, and contact, as much as possible.
I mean everyone is all about Doncic and Booker, and maybe Curry’s struggles in Jan merits those guys being first team over Steph, but Book was not good in the Mavs series and Luka might get swept by Curry. Curry has been more efficient this series even though Luka has scored more (gets more calls).
I'm not convinced that Booker is the answer, quite honestly. And I would, in no way, put him ahead of Curry. I think because this is a Kentucky forum, we like to see him succeed and root for him. But Booker got exposed big time in the playoffs.
Luka is 23 with no help at all, lol. And last I checked, it was a team game. "Curry" isn't beating The Mavs.
4 Current or former all stars for GS (Klay i s the former) versus 1 for the Mavs. No contest.
Imagine Luka teamed with Klay, Green and Durant, an effective Iggy, etc. lol
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It's honestly kind of pathetic that GSW even lost a game this series. The records are the same, but the teams just aren't. And a GSW team with a healthy Klay all year probably hits mid to high 60's in wins
Really, any top25 player, maybe even any top50 player.. whose position isn't in direct conflict with another starter.. could win with that team.
Some people consider Klay to be a top5 shooter of all time and it's not that outlandish of a thought. Imagine your entire career.. you get to play with a top5 shooter of all time who ALSO is a good enough defender to win all-defense.
