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[CUT-NETS]

Can we hang a banner for that? Call Creane's banner guy. Let's get that going.

Its funny isn't it? How our fans take so much pride in that? We gloat about how UL hasn't put nearly as many kids in the pros as UK has yet they have the same number of national titles as UK has since Cal has been here and "put guys in the league". Its ass-backwards sometimes. Our fans drink the hell out of the koolaid that Cal pours them.

Who gives a rats-ass how many players UK and Cal puts in the pros. Its about winning titles. Thats the object. Thats all I care about as a fan. They don't hang banners for having the most players in the pros. Cal might need to focus on winning titles with these "pros" a little more than making them "millionaires".

 

[gracetoyou]

Its funny isn't it? How our fans take so much pride in that? We gloat about how UL hasn't put nearly as many kids in the pros as UK has yet they have the same number of national titles as UK has since Cal has been here and "put guys in the league". Its ass-backwards sometimes. Our fans drink the hell out of the koolaid that Cal pours them.

Who gives a rats-ass how many players UK and Cal puts in the pros. Its about winning titles. Thats the object. Thats all I care about as a fan. They don't hang banners for having the most players in the pros. Cal might need to focus on winning titles with these "pros" a little more than making them "millionaires".

You just flat out suck!! Could you leave this board? You're not a UK fan!!

Like seriously...ban this guy MODES

 

[DY9ASTY]

CUT-NETS you should go cut your wrist

 

[TrustinCal]

CUT-NETS you should go cut your wrist

I shouldn't have, but I laughed.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

This is an excellent post and why I fear that the Calipari era of success at UK is coming to a close. The title is damn difficult to win regardless of having the most talent. But Uconn has won two in the time Cal has been here with no where near the talent. People say all the time "how can anyone bitch with all the final fours and success Cal has had since he's been here", well if he were doing it with a bunch of Richie Farmers no one would complain at all. He's had the best players every year. Eventually you have to say, why hasn't he won more titles? The NIT year was his worst job and inexcusable in my opinion. This is when I started wondering if Cal really was "just a great recruiter" and what his true intentions were for the program.

The "most talent" argument doesn't hold water in a 68 team tournament, especially when that same talent is not fully developed and basically 18 years old.

Common logic would dictate this reality to any true analysis, but I'm wondering if a true analysis is possible from someone who publically flaunts his affinity for Tom Cruise films.

 

[CUT-NETS]

The "most talent" argument doesn't hold water in a 68 team tournament, especially when that same talent is not fully developed and basically 18 years old.

Common logic would dictate this reality to any true analysis, but I'm wondering if a true analysis is possible from someone who publically flaunts his affinity for Tom Cruise films.

I agree that anything can happen in a one and done scenario tournament and it often times takes a lot of luck to win that thing. It may not be fair to hold Cal to a different standard because he has the most talent given the setup of the tournament, but thats the way it is. Wooden had the best talent (bought by Sam Gilbert) and was able to roll off 10 titles.

Haha my father is a vietnam veteran and the story of Ron Kovic is one that has resonated with me when thinking about his life. Its a good movie, and I enjoyed the book as well.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

I just put that troll on ignore. This board is so much better with me doing that lately.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

Its funny isn't it? How our fans take so much pride in that? We gloat about how UL hasn't put nearly as many kids in the pros as UK has yet they have the same number of national titles as UK has since Cal has been here and "put guys in the league". Its ass-backwards sometimes. Our fans drink the hell out of the koolaid that Cal pours them.

Who gives a rats-ass how many players UK and Cal puts in the pros. Its about winning titles. Thats the object. Thats all I care about as a fan. They don't hang banners for having the most players in the pros. Cal might need to focus on winning titles with these "pros" a little more than making them "millionaires".

You talk too much. Hush.

 

[Hoskins91]

The "most talent" argument doesn't hold water in a 68 team tournament, especially when that same talent is not fully developed and basically 18 years old.

Common logic would dictate this reality to any true analysis, but I'm wondering if a true analysis is possible from someone who publically flaunts his affinity for Tom Cruise films.

Plus the fact that the statement he made wasn't true. We haven't had the most talent every year.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Plus the fact that the statement he made wasn't true. We haven't had the most talent every year.

Three years we were the most talented. 2010, 2012, and 2015. The other years, we were not. We should have won it all in 2011 and 2014 but crapped the bed when it mattered most. But at the same time, we won some close games that could have went the other way.

 

[Hoskins91]

Three years we were the most talented. 2010, 2012, and 2015. The other years, we were not. We should have won it all in 2011 and 2014 but crapped the bed when it mattered most. But at the same time, we won some close games that could have went the other way.

In 2011 we won two games we should not have (on paper) to make it that far. In 2014 we won several games in a row that could have easily gone the other way. If you were to replay either tourney, we probably don't make it as far as we did. That's why I think people are dumb to not appreciate what we've done. The only teams that even have an argument for equalling our postseason success are Duke and UConn. Both of whom have either lost in the first round multiple times, or missed the tournament multiple times in that time period. This past year was the first time Cal hasnt had to deal with an almost completely new roster and we made the final four. To consider this year a failure means you have incredibly unrealistic standards.

 

[anon_9qtxg60vqzy0y]

In 2011 we won two games we should not have (on paper) to make it that far. In 2014 we won several games in a row that could have easily gone the other way. If you were to replay either tourney, we probably don't make it as far as we did. That's why I think people are dumb to not appreciate what we've done. The only teams that even have an argument for equalling our postseason success are Duke and UConn. Both of whom have either lost in the first round multiple times, or missed the tournament multiple times in that time period. This past year was the first time Cal hasnt had to deal with an almost completely new roster and we made the final four. To consider this year a failure means you have incredibly unrealistic standards.

Or as Kenny Smith said, "Anybody who considered UK's season a failure, doesn't know basketball". These clowns trashing our teams and Cal have never stepped foot on the field or court of competition. It's actually comical to hear their analysis on how we lost.

 

[mj2k10]

In 2011 we won two games we should not have (on paper) to make it that far. In 2014 we won several games in a row that could have easily gone the other way. If you were to replay either tourney, we probably don't make it as far as we did. That's why I think people are dumb to not appreciate what we've done. The only teams that even have an argument for equalling our postseason success are Duke and UConn. Both of whom have either lost in the first round multiple times, or missed the tournament multiple times in that time period. This past year was the first time Cal hasnt had to deal with an almost completely new roster and we made the final four. To consider this year a failure means you have incredibly unrealistic standards.

Duke's tournament record from 2010 until now- 17-4 (2 first round losses)
UConn's tournament record from 2010 until now- 12-1 (missed the tournament 3 times)

UK's record- 22-4. And those 22 wins include 13 against teams seeded 5 or better, a total number of quality tournament wins that would constitute a career for a lot of really good college coaches.

Cal probably does need to look in the mirror a little bit and wonder about how his teams have played in UK's biggest games. There's no question that some opportunities have been missed (and for Cal, that goes back to Memphis). But to question the overall picture is the height of arrogant stupidity. UK won 14 NCAA tournament games for the entire decade before Cal got here, and went 1-6 against teams seeded 5 or higher. The 22 tournament wins in 6 years is tied or bettered only by the stretches involving 96-98, and the 4 FF's in 5 years is a first in program history.

UK has higher standards than anyone, and UK hangs banners for FF's. Because it's not easy to make a FF. Just ask Mike Krzyzewski, who, after the incredible run he had from 86-94, has made it 5 times in 21 years.

 

[Fawrules]

This is an excellent post and why I fear that the Calipari era of success at UK is coming to a close. The title is damn difficult to win regardless of having the most talent. But Uconn has won two in the time Cal has been here with no where near the talent. People say all the time "how can anyone bitch with all the final fours and success Cal has had since he's been here", well if he were doing it with a bunch of Richie Farmers no one would complain at all. He's had the best players every year. Eventually you have to say, why hasn't he won more titles? The NIT year was his worst job and inexcusable in my opinion. This is when I started wondering if Cal really was "just a great recruiter" and what his true intentions were for the program.

 

[Ron Mehico]

Everyone please remember that CUT-NETS was the guy talking about how much better Self was when they had Wiggins and Embiid. He's a doom and gloomer, and will absolutely detest Calipari's replacement. He's just that type of dude. Let him vent on the internet like an anonymous idiot and move on.