National writer finally calls out UNC/Huckleberry

[Supafuzz75]

Jim Nance,, think that's his name,, called UNC out during the game the other night over it all..

 

[Wildcat-in-STL]

players within the basketball program were apart of it..... so just like with Pitino.......... it is on Williams to know whats going on with his players.

 

[hotelblue]

aren't usatoday and cbs partners for college sports? lol their columnists are writing this and cbs sports doesn't even mention it. is there any doubt that this stall is all about money/viewership? yet it'd have been over by now if the ncaa would have done its job. seems to me cbs (ncaa business partner) played a part in this.

 

[jarms24]

Jim Nance,, think that's his name,, called UNC out during the game the other night over it all..

He actually called it "Innuendo". He's as ill informed as the UNC fan posting ITT.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Well, right here is one: "Some of those grades allowed athletes to stay eligible." There is no proof of this. This is an opinion. And it usually comes from someone who wants to believe this is what happened.

One could claim that a class that only gives one exam at UK keeps UK one-and-doners eligible. Etc. Just saying it doesn't make it true though.

Yes there is. There is eye witness evidence. Now, you can claim he is lying for some bizarre and unknown reason, but you have no proof of that, it would just be your opinion. Please note he took 18 classes in AFAM.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ts-took-fake-classes-at-unc-to-stay-eligibile

 

[hotelblue]

lol, there are statements in that article that are just untrue.

like?

 

[Supafuzz75]

He actually called it "Innuendo". He's as ill informed as the UNC fan posting ITT.

I didn't hear it,, just know UNC fans are going after his throat over it..

 

[thepip]

lol, there are statements in that article that are just untrue. Clearly an opinion piece.

The last thing we need is a trash troll trying to clean up the trash!!!!!!!

 

[catben]

LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL!!!!

This ALONE says that Ol Roy is complicit even if he's pleads ignorance!!!

However, he has even bragged in the past that he stays on top of EVERY one of his players academic progress.

So which one is it? Because he is GUILTY either way!!

The "Carolina Way" is the biggest fraud in NCAA history!!!

 

[Bank Cat]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

Thank you for your insight, Mr. Bubba Cunningham. Your theory sums up the Carolina Way perfectly. Deflect, deny, stall, and maybe serve up a non-revenue sport as a sacrificial lamb.

 

[trav55]

Because he didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA has not once stated that Roy Williams did anything wrong. In fact, the NCAA cleared Roy Williams of any wrongdoing.

Again, knowing the facts is always helpful when you want to talk about something.

You're saying HE didn't do anything wrong. You're trying to spin it. It's not working. If it involves basketball, which he's the head coach of, then it involves HIM. Did he set it up? Probably not but who cares. Your players were in fake classes. Stop playing stupid and spinning the facts.

 

[MdWIldcat55]

I love the blind apologists for Roy Williams. There is a one sentence response that always shuts them up:

"Roy Williams was either so brain dead he believed Rashad McCants was capable of making the Dean's List at UNC with all As, or he knew better and ignored the fraud to keep McCants eligible, or he knew player grades were being rigged so he chose to ignore his responsibility to check them."

 

[Jkwo]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

This is exactly the kind of red herring argument I'm talking about. One of a dozen absolute stinkers that UNC fans have been clinging to and which would make every philosophy and logic professor on campus want to evacuate his lunch.

Do you understand the logical absurdity that you're opening the door to?

He took fake classes to get up to the eligibility threshold for division 1 athletics, but you state that the burden is on everyone else to prove the counterfactual that he wouldn't have passed under other circumstances.

The eligibility threshold for D1 athletics is not very high - it's just a basic class and grade requirement, but it's a threshold just like any other - the threshold that must be crossed to obtain a med school degree, a pilot's license, etc.

So you can extend this same logic. Fraudulently walk around in military fatigues, in pilot's gear, or trying to do open heart surgery, and when somebody wants to penalize you for not having the proper credentials, just state that they have no idea what would've happened if you'd decided to go to med school or boot camp or whatever.

Based on what you're saying, anybody can do anything, because failing to actually get through the curriculum legitimately should not impact whether we judge the candidate to have passed the threshold.

Instead, the test should be whether or not a third party can do the impossible by demonstrating that in no possible universe could the candidate accomplish this goal.

It doesn't make any sense, unless you're trying to create a set of conditions under which you can get away with any level of fraudulence.

Funny that a UNC fan would be interested in that.

 

[preacherfan]

Because he didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA has not once stated that Roy Williams did anything wrong. In fact, the NCAA cleared Roy Williams of any wrongdoing.

Again, knowing the facts is always helpful when you want to talk about something.

Roy is paid a big bonus for "academic performance." If he didn't know, he should pay back the money but NOBODY with a brain believes he didn't know. All coaches know how their players are doing in the classroom. It is part of the job and that is why they are paid extra for performance.

 

[trav55]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

Yeah, because of course his teammates partaking in the same classes are credible sources.

 

[preacherfan]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

Seriously, we can't even discuss this with someone who argues like that!!! I sure hope you are 8 years old because if you are an adult, how do you function?

 

[rick64]

Swinging for the fences!! Love it!!!

 

[YourPublicEnemy]

Because he didn't do anything wrong. The NCAA has not once stated that Roy Williams did anything wrong. In fact, the NCAA cleared Roy Williams of any wrongdoing.

Again, knowing the facts is always helpful when you want to talk about something.

Any wrongdoing? BS. To act like he didn't know is a lie. He even brought his guy from Kansas with him that was involved in this.

You're not fooling anyone but yourselves.

 

[seccats04]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

First of all, why would he make this up? To invalidate his own degree?? Why do you think other players are denying the allegations? To have everything they "worked for" wiped away and their degrees invalidated? And remember, they were not under oath either.

 

[mbc82584]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

Really bullshit circular argument on this one. "Well yeah he took fake classes but its OK because if he maybe would've taken real classes he might not have failed those like the other real classes he took"

WTF did I just read? He admitted in public he was enrolled in fake classes and thats why he stayed eligible.

And, unlike his boy-scout teammates who all rushed to Roy and UNC's aide ("HE'S LYING!!")...Rashaad Mccants is the ONLY ONE of that group who has published his transcript.

If "the truth shall set you free", why don't we just go ahead and publish the transcripts of all those kids from 2005. Sure, there are privacy laws that keep UNC from having to do that...but if all these kids are such stand-up fellows and believe Mccants is a liar, why not publish their transcripts and shut the door permanently?

 

[MdWIldcat55]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. .

Congratulations. You are now the owner of the single most stupid statement ever posted on this board. And that is no insignificant achievement.

Based on your reasoning ability, I'm going to guess you are the holder of an advanced degree in Logical Thinking from UNC-CHeats, with a minor in Self-Delusion as an Applied Science.

 

[CatEye2010]

And GL (if you're still here), have you completely and conveniently forgotten about the near-loss of accreditation by SACS (the college accrediting agency) who placed THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY on probation for a year for academic fraud? Fake, non-existent classes? Probation is the most severe punishment that can be levied against a school, short of SHUTTING THEM DOWN?? My god, man, how the honest, reputable professors at uncheat sat back and allowed their school to be down-graded in this way to save the precious men's basketball team? What, did MJ give them all nice bonuses to buy their acquiescence? Did John Skipper, unc alum, North Carolina native, head of ESPN, threaten to pull TV contracts? And gag his talking heads? Take off the sissy-blue glasses and realize that the Carolina Way is a sham and a disgrace.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

He actually called it "Innuendo". He's as ill informed as the UNC fan posting ITT.

Jim Nantz actually knows very little about college basketball. I doubt he watches one game other than the ones he calls. Matt Jones has told how he would tell Nance stuff about UK that anyone with a passing knowledge of basketball would know and Nantz acts like it's a huge revelation. He's not an outlier though. The same applies to most national sports pundits. If it's not the NFL or NBA, they pay very little attention to it.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

So you can extend this same logic. Fraudulently walk around in military fatigues, in pilot's gear, or trying to do open heart surgery, and when somebody wants to penalize you for not having the proper credentials, just state that they have no idea what would've happened if you'd decided to go to med school or boot camp or whatever.

 

[WildcatDJ]

GL is either a troll or an AFAM grad...

 

[wildcatcorner]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible?

I know this has been thoroughly covered, but I can't believe you said something so moronic in defense of UNC*... and on the Internet of all places.

 

[Beast Johnson]

What's the deal with Roy's goody-goody persona? Is that an act or what?

Im not trying to slander Ole' Roy, but I could swear that I've heard him go on some epic, explosive cursing rants before when he gets really mad about something.

Or, am I thinking of someone else?

 

[TeoJ]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

This for like of a better word is just amazingly (Stupid).

 

[the stat man]

No it doesn't. If those classes were not there, McCants would have taken other classes. How do you know he would have failed those classes and thus been ineligible? In order to believe that, one has to make an assumption. You can't argue backwards. Not to mention that most of what McCants says is suspect because (1) he refuses to make his claims under oath with the threat of perjury hanging over his head, (2) most of his claims are completely rejected as untrue by every one of his teammates.

And btw, keep in mind, not all of the AFAM department classes were suspect.

Just save us the freaking time, your full of it and you know it ! Those cheating bastards have done this for twenty years and its time to pay up !!

 

[Cantwaitfor8]

lol, there are statements in that article that are just untrue. Clearly an opinion piece.

UNC fans^^^^

 

[clevenger32]

North Carolina has one legitimate national championship and that was 1951 the other 4+ unfortunately tonight if they win it will make five out of six championships that Are ill legitimate but cause of fried cheating and scandal all started by the architect Dean E Smith

 

[ukcatsfan2]

Oh Boy, this could get good yet!

 

[KMKAT]

Ole Roy is dirty and UNC should be punished for letting the Players use free cars under his watch alone. Keep sticking your head in the sand every coach at UNC starting with Dean Smith was dirty.

Something discussed very little during all this fraud talk. There was blatant privileges given to players, and happens in front of the entire university and because of the basketball staff, they are untouchable.

How's Sean May's transcript looking in all this since he's now a mentor to these kids?

 

[KMKAT]

Actually, Roy was included in the "Individuals Who May Be Mentioned in The Factual Information Chart" in the most recent ANOA. You may want to pump the brakes.
Plus, Roy was responsible for Wayne Walden who is neck deep. Strict Liability is a beyotch.

And Roy getting Walden off the staff keeps his secrets intact because this was Kansas and UNC type learning.

 

[preacherfan]

GL is either a troll or an AFAM grad...

or Bradley Bethel

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

I think you mean 1957. UNC beat Chamberlain and Kansas in triple overtime after Wilt fouled out. Many believe McGuire---Dean's mentor---was cheating then. McGuire went on to get in trouble in South Carolina I believe. Regardless, the only title without a blemish is 1982. Wainstain arbitrarily stopped his investigation at 1993 even though the AFAM department was started way before then and players began to get pushed toward this major before 1993. I believe its JP Scott who mentioned that 1982 may well be tainted, bc UNC was doing the same things with Communications majors (I think this was Jordan's and Worthy's major) that it later did with AFAM. Regardless, 2005 and 2009...and potentially 2017 are fraught with fraud. I say 2017, bc I will go to my grave insisting the officiating was some of the worst I have ever seen. Ever. That game was stolen from UK.

 

[Roe07]

"but but but....it was an academic issue, not an athletic issue"

For some reason UNC fans and students seem to think this excuse makes everything ok.

 

[wildcatcorner]

I think you mean 1957. UNC beat Chamberlain and Kansas in triple overtime after Wilt fouled out. Many believe McGuire---Dean's mentor---was cheating then. McGuire went on to get in trouble in South Carolina I believe. Regardless, the only title without a blemish is 1982. Wainstain arbitrarily stopped his investigation at 1993 even though the AFAM department was started way before then and players began to get pushed toward this major before 1993. I believe its JP Scott who mentioned that 1982 may well be tainted, bc UNC was doing the same things with Communications majors (I think this was Jordan's and Worthy's major) that it later did with AFAM. Regardless, 2005 and 2009...and potentially 2017 are fraught with fraud. I say 2017, bc I will go to my grave insisting the officiating was some of the worst I have ever seen. Ever. That game was stolen from UK.

And because they should not be playing in this tournament anyway.

 

[St.PatterSoN-54-]

GL is either a troll or an AFAM grad...

 

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