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To be exact, the team radio said it for both drivers he wrecked. Before wrecking Logano "I don't care how you do it, wreck him" then before Hamlin, "wreck him, wreck him." And then RC after he wrecked two drivers to win "Pop Pop is so proud of you". I bet he is, deliberately wrecking two drivers on the final lap is most definitely something to be proud of. Disgusting, and NASCAR is at fault because they do not have a policy to discipline drivers when they go shit like that. Punish a guy for going too fast on pit road, but flat out wreck two guys to get them out of your way, nothing. His ass needs to be parked for the rest of the year, the win needs to be stripped from the team / driver, guhe ass fine, MAYBE it will teach drivers to race each other with some kind of honor. IF they was side by side and bumped fenders / doors, that is one thing, but to go wide open into the turn and hit a guy from behind to spin him out, all while doing so from instructions from your team, is just flat out bush league and is no way part of racing.
 
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I'm not condoning what he did and never said it's okay but Joey don't need to act like a saint in his interviews. He would and has wrecked many people for a win. NASCAR wants to put so much emphasis on winning and getting into the chase that they have created this mess. If Dillon doesn't get into the chase without a win he likely doesn't get that aggressive so NASCAR needs to change their rules if they don't like what they have created with this format.
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He wrecked not one, but TWO drivers. He didn't win the race, he WRECKED the race. Playoffs or no playoffs on the line, there is no place in racing for that bullshit. Like I said, if they was side by side, or even if he was on his bumper, a little "nudge" to move him is one thing, but to lay back and fly into the corner for the sole purpose of wrecking a guy is NOT OK. It wasn't a racing move, it was a flat out gain speed, run up on the guy and take him out move. Yes Logano has wrecked people for the win, so has Hamlin, but not like Dillon did. IDGAF if it is the #3 of Earnhardt car and RC is the owner, he had not right doing that and should pay heavily. He will pay make no mistake about that, and I would say in more than ONE race, he will get dumped, whether he is running up front , or not.
 
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I condone what Dillion did. Logano slowed in front of him. Screw that. Hamlin contact was a joint effort.
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You are blind or just plain not wanting to admit it. Logano DID NOT slow down, Dillon speed up running into the corner instead of breaking for the sole purpose so he could catch Logano and wreck him, why would Logano slow up on the last lap leading ?????? Explain his radio telling him to wreck BOTH drivers ??? You can't. "Joint effort", LOL, only joint effort was Dillon's effort to jointly wreck both cars that was going to beat him.

Before wrecking Logano it is clearly heard from his radio "I do not care how you do it, wreck him", and before wrecking Hamlin it is clearly heard "wreck him, wreck him".
 
catsfanbgky said:
He wrecked not one, but TWO drivers. He didn't win the race, he WRECKED the race. Playoffs or no playoffs on the line, there is no place in racing for that bullshit. Like I said, if they was side by side, or even if he was on his bumper, a little "nudge" to move him if one thing, but to lay back and fly into the corner for the so purpose of wrecking a guy is NOT OK. It wasn't a racing move, it was a flat out gain speed, run up on the guy and take him out. Yes Logano has wrecked people for the win, so has Hamlin, but not like Dillon did. IDGAF if it is the #3 of Earnhardt car and RC is the owner, he had not right doing that and should pay heavily. He will pay make no mistake about that, and I would say in more than ONE race, he will get dumped, whether he is running up front , or not.
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Logano drove in hard, slammed into the back of and wrecked Byron at Darlington a couple of years ago on the last lap. Hamlin wrecked Larson at Kansas last year on the last lap. They both have done it so don't act like this is something new. If you really want to see how many times each of them have wrecked people for the win go to YouTube and search it. Whether he drove in hard or tapped his corner and sent him into the wall wrecking for a win is wrecking for a win.
 
vhcat70 said:
I condone what Dillion did. Logano slowed in front of him. Screw that. Hamlin contact was a joint effort.
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I’ll admit that if I was in his position - I’m in a car only because my grandpa owns it, I suck at this, I haven’t won since a fluke 2 years ago, and nascar will let me do it - so yeah, I’m gonna destroy 2 other cars, to hell witg them. Dillon has never deserved to be racing even at the Xfinity level, let alone with the big boys. He’s a hack. Like Joey said, he sucks and he’s always sucked.

This isn’t going to help the dwindling ratings, sponsorships, and attendance.
 
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Logano drove in hard, slammed into the back of and wrecked Byron at Darlington a couple of years ago on the last lap. Hamlin wrecked Larson at Kansas last year on the last lap. They both have done it so don't act like this is something new. If you really want to see how many times each of them have wrecked people for the win go to YouTube and search it. Whether he drove in hard or tapped his corner and sent him into the wall wrecking for a win is wrecking for a win.
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I said both of Hamlin and Logano have wrecked people before. BUT I will say this, after hearing Elliot Sawyer, he said it was very close to crossing the line and they would review video, radio communications from teams, etc. and see if he crossed the line. When they see the results from video, and hear the crew member saying "I don't care how you do it, wreck him", then after wrecking Logano saying "wreck him, wreck him" before wrecking Hamlin, I just do not see any way they ignore the obvious. I think NASCAR will put it all together, determine the obvious that he crossed the line, and he will be severely punished. Like I stated earlier, I would take the win away, reward the 2nd place finisher the win, park him for the remainder of the regular season (3 races), and fine the hell out of him and RC Racing. You HAVE TO police these wrecks, if not, somebody is going to get seriously injured (or die). Whether it be the person who got wrecked, or the person who wrecked him in the form of retaliation down the road. It is happening far too often now days, several drivers have voiced their concern that NASCAR has to quit turning a blind eye and punish guys for dumping people. When the whole team is in on the intentional wrecking, they do not have a choice but to act and severely punish the racer. Not ONE, but TWO racers was intentionally wrecked on separate occasions. I have NEVER seen a guy wreck two guys in one lap like Dillon did.
 
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Anyone saying it was Logano's fault, he slowed up and the Hamlin deal was a "joint effort" has to be a RC Racing and / or Earnhardt fan. It is the only viable explanation for someone being so blind to fact because there can't be any Austin Dillon fans, he sucks at racing. So you are still in love with #3 or RC.
 
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catsfanbgky said:
Anyone saying it was Logano's fault, he slowed up and the Hamlin deal was a "joint effort" has to be a RC Racing and / or Earnhardt fan. It is the only viable explanation for someone being so blind to fact because there can't be any Austin Dillon fans, he sucks at racing. So you are still in love with #3 or RC.
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Joey slowed down because he was intending to make the corner. Dillon’s only strategy was to run in there and wreck the 22. If Joey hadn’t been there, and Dillon went into that corner that fast, he’d have been in the fence.
 
Stan the caddy said:
Joey slowed down because he was intending to make the corner. Dillon’s only strategy was to run in there and wreck the 22. If Joey hadn’t been there, and Dillon went into that corner that fast, he’d have been in the fence.
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Agree. When I said Logano didn't slow down, I meant intentionally, he was simply braking so that he could enter the corner, like a normal racer would do. Also like you said, Dillon took the corner wide open for the sole purpose of dumping Logano. What gets me, is a couple guys actually think Logano and Hamlin was at fault. Talk about turning a blind eye. vhcat70 with his response has to be trolling. Nobody could be that stupid to actually believe what he posted.
 
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Agree. When I said Logano didn't slow down, I meant intentionally, he was simply braking so that he could enter the corner, like a normal racer would do. Also like you said, Dillon took the corner wide open for the sole purpose of dumping Logano. What gets me, is a couple guys actually think Logano and Hamlin was at fault. Talk about turning a blind eye. vhcat70 with his response has to be trolling. Nobody could be that stupid to actually believe what he posted.
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I like VH. He’s a fun contrarian and I love watching him get all the right wingers panties in a wad in the MAGA thread.
 
catsfanbgky said:
Agree. When I said Logano didn't slow down, I meant intentionally, he was simply braking so that he could enter the corner, like a normal racer would do. Also like you said, Dillon took the corner wide open for the sole purpose of dumping Logano. What gets me, is a couple guys actually think Logano and Hamlin was at fault. Talk about turning a blind eye. vhcat70 with his response has to be trolling. Nobody could be that stupid to actually believe what he posted.
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If you are including me in your "couple of guys" comment then you can't comprehend English. I said I didn't condone what he did but that Hamlin and Logano don't need to be riding a high horse when they both have dumped guys intentionally. That is a far cry from saying they were at fault. Joey is one of the dirtiest drivers in NASCAR and everyone knows it. That is why he has very few friends in the garage.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
If you are including me in your "couple of guys" comment then you can't comprehend English. I said I didn't condone what he did but that Hamlin and Logano don't need to be riding a high horse when they both have dumped guys intentionally. That is a far cry from saying they were at fault. Joey is one of the dirtiest drivers in NASCAR and everyone knows it. That is why he has very few friends in the garage.
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Nah. It was for vhcat.
 
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I did not see him wreck two drivers or hit anyone, so I would say it was OK. But knowing NASCAR, they will penalize the shit out of Logano for driving to Dillion's pit and spinning his tires, and do NOTHING about Dillon actually wrecking TWO drivers and possibly injuring them.

Spinning tires and driving at a low rate of speed down pit row (with other cars) = Lot more serious than actually wrecking two drivers and possibly taking out several other cars "just because he needed the win" and was instructed to do so by his crew.
 
catsfanbgky said:
I did not see him wreck two drivers or hit anyone, so I would say it was OK. But knowing NASCAR, they will penalize the shit out of Logano for driving to Dillion's pit and spinning his tires, and do NOTHING about Dillon actually wrecking TWO drivers and possibly injuring them.

Spinning tires and driving at a low rate of speed down pit row (with other cars) = Lot more serious than actually wrecking two drivers and possibly taking out several other cars "just because he needed the win" and was instructed to do so by his crew.
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NASCAR is strict about what goes on pit road because there are people who are not in cars that can be injured like crew members, media, NASCAR officials, etc.
 
Well they need to have strict rules about intentionally wrecking not one, but two drivers. What he did was FAR more dangerous than a little tire spin and driving minimal speed down pit road. Logano did NOT hit anyone, Dillion DID. Possibly is not as severe as 100% did.
 
catsfanbgky said:
Well they need to have strict rules about intentionally wrecking not one, but two drivers. What he did was FAR more dangerous than a little tire spin and driving minimal speed down pit road. Logano did NOT hit anyone, Dillion DID. Possibly is not as severe as 100% did.
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There are a lot of wrecks that everyone knows was "intentional" but not as egregious as this one. In the past, some that were similar like Kenseth wrecking Logano and Bubba wrecking Larson, resulted in suspensions. I wouldn't be shocked to see NASCAR do that in this instance but let's be honest Dillon won't really care because he is in the chase now. The biggest issue is it is going to be a judgement call of when something is "intentional" or not and just like balls and strikes when judgement is involved you will not please everyone. A lot of the wrecks are intentional but where do they cross the line and NASCAR has proven over the years their line moves a lot.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
There are a lot of wrecks that everyone knows was "intentional" but not as egregious as this one. In the past, some that were similar like Kenseth wrecking Logano and Bubba wrecking Larson, resulted in suspensions. I wouldn't be shocked to see NASCAR do that in this instance but let's be honest Dillon won't really care because he is in the chase now. The biggest issue is it is going to be a judgement call of when something is "intentional" or not and just like balls and strikes when judgement is involved you will not please everyone. A lot of the wrecks are intentional but where do they cross the line and NASCAR has proven over the years their line moves a lot.
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Agree with MOST of what you are saying, but to intentionally wreck two cars while the crew on the radio is screaming for him to do it so he can win, then he admitting to it post race, I do not think you can get any more clearer evidence. Not to even mention the data report of his car after the race showing his line he took and acceleration the car did to wreck both drivers. I 100% think this is a case where NASCAR needs to take the win away, park him for the remaining 3 races, and a hefty fine. If there was ever evidence of intention to do it, this is it, it will never get more clearer. If you DO NOT, the other drivers have to feel they can get by with anything. That is not a good picture you want to send to the racers, nor the fans. I am completely unbiased in this, not a Hamlin nor Logano fan, he needs the win taken away.
Enforce the penalties I just suggested, I can guarantee you racers will think twice about doing it in the future, if not, why would they be concerned, nothing will happen to them, they will gladly pay a small fine to make the Chase. Just a bad look if they overlook it and do not give out a severe penalty to maybe combat guys intentionally wrecking not one, but two separate drivers to win. I have never seen a guy wreck TWO racers to get the win, NEVER. It wasn't a racer being gathered up in another wreck, it was two sperate intentional wrecks in the final turn. it is different than a guy paying a guy back for wrecking him or bumping him while running 10th. This was for the win on the final lap, final turn. Not to mention you do not have the crew telling him to do it, only assumptions that a guy wrecked someone on purpose (we know it happens), but you have 100% clear proof, not assumptions. PROOF.
 
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Creed Bratton said:
Logano drove in hard, slammed into the back of and wrecked Byron at Darlington a couple of years ago on the last lap. Hamlin wrecked Larson at Kansas last year on the last lap. They both have done it so don't act like this is something new. If you really want to see how many times each of them have wrecked people for the win go to YouTube and search it. Whether he drove in hard or tapped his corner and sent him into the wall wrecking for a win is wrecking for a win.
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Bryon fenced Logano a couple laps before is why Logano did what he did(also he did not wreck him and Bryon still finished well) and Larson got loose with Hamlin right on his ass which caused the contact.

I’m not a fan of either Logano or Hamlin. Austin Dillon drove into the corner with one intention, wreck the 22. Then when the 11 had the momentum, it was hook the 11.

NASCAR created a shitty ass championship format. But they can fix it just a little bit by enforcing a penalty that takes playoff eligibility away for this win.
 
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Agree. When I said Logano didn't slow down, I meant intentionally, he was simply braking so that he could enter the corner, like a normal racer would do. Also like you said, Dillon took the corner wide open for the sole purpose of dumping Logano. What gets me, is a couple guys actually think Logano and Hamlin was at fault. Talk about turning a blind eye. vhcat70 with his response has to be trolling. Nobody could be that stupid to actually believe what he posted.
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LOL. There was no indication that #3 would wreck if he avoided Logano, just that he'd need a longer path - just what Logano wanted. Let Logano get out of his way if he's going to be so slow & think he's cruising to victory. As for Hamlin, they both moved their lines together imo. Don't you just love when the power players get upset? I do.
 
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Bryon fenced Logano a couple laps before is why Logano did what he did(also he did not wreck him and Bryon still finished well) and Larson got loose with Hamlin right on his ass which caused the contact.

I’m not a fan of either Logano or Hamlin. Austin Dillon drove into the corner with one intention, wreck the 22. Then when the 11 had the momentum, it was hook the 11.

NASCAR created a shitty ass championship format. But they can fix it just a little bit by enforcing a penalty that takes playoff eligibility away for this win.
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Logano did what he did because wrecks people with little or no prompting. Logano is aggressive and will put anyone in the wall for a win. There is a reason he has been in a bunch of fights and near fights over the years. There is also a reason Kenseth intentionally wrecked Joey back in 2015, it's because he spun out Matt with 5 to go at Kansas a couple of weeks before. He can dish it out but doesn't like to take it and Hamlin is the same way. I will say again for the umpteenth time that what Dillion did was not okay but Hamlin and Logano acting like they have not wrecked anyone for a win is laughable.
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I did not see him wreck two drivers or hit anyone, so I would say it was OK. But knowing NASCAR, they will penalize the shit out of Logano for driving to Dillion's pit and spinning his tires, and do NOTHING about Dillon actually wrecking TWO drivers and possibly injuring them.

Spinning tires and driving at a low rate of speed down pit row (with other cars) = Lot more serious than actually wrecking two drivers and possibly taking out several other cars "just because he needed the win" and was instructed to do so by his crew.
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So driving drunk is okay as long as you don't wreck or run over a pedestrian? Dear Lord this may be the worst take ever. You know you can say what Dillion did was wrong and deserves punishment but also say Joey endangering peoples lives, including a baby that the lady was carrying, was wrong and deserves punishment too.
 
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Win effectively stripped. Thankfully NASCAR stepped in on this, or every race would be like bumper cars from now on.
 
Absolute clownshow. What rule did he break?

He had the race won fair and square before Spinhouse happened.

GWC and this terrible playoff format is to blame, not Austin Dillon.
 
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Looks like I was right. Just too much of a mountain of evidence to NOT take the playoff win away. Video, audio, car data. his own admission, I mean they HAD to take the playoff berth away.

What rule did he break ? Oh lets see, intentionally wrecking not 1, but 2 drivers on the last lap / final turn so he could clinch a playoff spot maybe ? Bumping drivers or getting someone "loose" is ONE thing, but to dump two guys in the final lap with your crew screaming "wreck him, wreck him", "do it now" "I don't care what you have to do", kind is breaking the rules of racing. Yes rubbing is racing, but dumping guys because they are ahead of you is not racing. He had no chance to pass the guys, so he dumped them. And it is unfortunate, he did have the best car BEFORE the caution. But it was not Logano or Hamlin's fault the caution came out, you can't just move them out of the way because you want a playoff spot.

Like I stated earlier in the thread, IF you can't see what he done was wrong, you have to be a Earnhardt fan or a RCR fan.

"What rule did he break" ? What rule did he not break should be the question as far as racing someone for a win is concerned. If he was running side by side or on his bumper, and gave him a little nudge to get him loose, or swapped paint with him, that is one thing (still doesn't make up for the fact he dumps Hamlin right after), it would not have been a problem. But ALL of the heaping pile of evidence did him no favors. Maybe his crew will learn to keep the mouth shut over radio about their intentions would have helped. LOL, "wreck him, wreck him", yeap that will get you busted every time. HIS CREW knew it was wrong, it is they just got caaught.
 
catsfanbgky said:
Looks like I was right. Just too much of a mountain of evidence to NOT take the playoff win away. Video, audio, car data. his own admission, I mean they HAD to take the playoff berth away.

What rule did he break ? Oh lets see, intentionally wrecking not 1, but 2 drivers on the last lap / final turn so he could clinch a playoff spot maybe ? Bumping drivers or getting someone "loose" is ONE thing, but to dump two guys in the final lap with your crew screaming "wreck him, wreck him", "do it now" "I don't care what you have to do", kind is breaking the rules of racing. Yes rubbing is racing, but dumping guys because they are ahead of you is not racing. He had no chance to pass the guys, so he dumped them. And it is unfortunate, he did have the best car BEFORE the caution. But it was not Logano or Hamlin's fault the caution came out, you can't just move them out of the way because you want a playoff spot.

Like I stated earlier in the thread, IF you can't see what he done was wrong, you have to be a Earnhardt fan or a RCR fan.

"What rule did he break" ? What rule did he not break should be the question as far as racing someone for a win is concerned. If he was running side by side or on his bumper, and gave him a little nudge to get him loose, or swapped paint with him, that is one thing (still doesn't make up for the fact he dumps Hamlin right after), it would not have been a problem. But ALL of the heaping pile of evidence did him no favors. Maybe his crew will learn to keep the mouth shut over radio about their intentions would have helped. LOL, "wreck him, wreck him", yeap that will get you busted every time. HIS CREW knew it was wrong, it is they just got caaught.
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I’m a huge Earnhardt fan. I’m generally indifferent to Dillon as he’s a never was, but it pisses me off that he’s in the 3 car. I’m glad NASCAR handled this well.
 
I don't have a problem removing him from the playoffs but if NASCAR is going to say he "crossed the line" as Elton Sawyer said then they need to define what the "line" is. If not it's going to be a 💩 show every time a driver wrecks someone else trying to say if it crosses the line or not.

I guarantee every driver in the field is going to think the line is different if he dumps a guy than if he is the one being dumped. They all complain when they get wrecked but then turn around and do the same thing and say it was hard racing. Drivers are very temperamental....part temper and part mental. 😂
 
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I was hoping Austin would win ... but I didn't agree with what he did and Nascar made the right decision. And I hate Joey Logano.

Logano probably should have been penalized more for his Pit Road stunt (although Austin's family shouldn't have been on an active pit road -- they should have waited until all the cars parked).
 
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I was hoping Austin would win ... but I didn't agree with what he did and Nascar made the right decision. And I hate Joey Logano.

Logano probably should have been penalized more for his Pit Road stunt (although Austin's family shouldn't have been on an active pit road -- they should have waited until all the cars parked).
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Joey is my guy since the 88 retired, but I agree. $50k to him is like $50 to us. Fine him a million bucks and I guarantee it never happens again
 
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Joey is my guy since the 88 retired, but I agree. $50k to him is like $50 to us. Fine him a million bucks and I guarantee it never happens again
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A million might get their attention but if they really want it to stop then start docking points or suspend them for a race. But you know that will never happen because sponsors won't like their driver having to sit out a race.
 
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Joey is my guy since the 88 retired, but I agree. $50k to him is like $50 to us. Fine him a million bucks and I guarantee it never happens again
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I too am a Dale Jarrett fan. Unless you are talking Dale Earnhardt Jr. ?? But he started out as #8. There is only ONE #88, Dale MFN Jarrett. Love me some Ford Credit red / white/ blue Ford back in the day. Greatest memory was when he got 3 laps down and came back to win I THINK it was the Brickyard. Whatever track it was, I remember one teams crew chief on the radio saying "Hey, the next time the #88 passes you, it will be for the lead." He and Mark Martin along with several others back then was well respected in the garage and raced people the right way.
 
No lights. I have mixed emotions on shortened races: watching "real racing" for 101 laps or watching "stroking for 190 laps" and real racing for 10 laps...
 
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