Mounjaro/Ozempic weight loss

[WayneDougan]

I think the way America has evolved over the last 50 years has made it significantly more difficult to stay in shape. As adults, it's up to us to figure out ways to counteract that (e.g. prioritizing exercise, finding ways to get a system where you eat healthier).

That said, if this pill actually works I don't have an issue with it. Great - millions of Americans will be healthier / lower weight / look and feel better. So I don't think we should be against it. That said, we need to make sure there aren't side effects and this should be tested for years before widely perscribed.

And isn't the "old face" thing because these people lost so much weight that their faces - which were once very plump - just have a lot of excess skin? Kind of like those poeple who lost 150 lbs really fast have issues with excess skin in the waist?

 

[anthonys735]

Some quotes:

“Everybody is either on it or asking how to get on it,” said Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank, a dermatologist in New York. “We haven’t seen a prescription drug with this much cocktail and dinner chatter since Viagra came to the market.”

Many doctors worry that the drugs’ current popularity, fueled in part by social media, has resulted in people taking them without sufficient medical supervision — a risky move considering the possibility of rare but serious side effects like thyroid cancer, pancreatitis and kidney failure. And drugs like Ozempic can also cause less serious but still debilitating symptoms including nausea, vomiting and racing heart beat, as many videos on TikTok attest (see: #ozempic).



Side Effects: Diabetes treatments used for weight loss like Ozempic can expose those who take them to risks including facial aging, thyroid cancer and kidney failure. Going off the drugs can also take a toll.

While Mounjaro may sound like the closest thing to a weight loss magic bullet since gastric bypass surgery was first performed in 1954, it is not without risk. The Mounjaro packaging contains a black box warning about thyroid C-cell tumors. Like the first generation of these drugs, Mounjaro increased the risk of a rare type of thyroid cancer called medullary thyroid carcinoma when it was tested on rodents.

None of these drugs come cheap: Unless a patient is obese and has at least one other “weight-related condition” (such as high cholesterol, hypertension, diabetes), insurance usually won’t cover the medications, which can cost upward of $1,000 for a month’s supply. (Mounjaro is $975 per month; Ozempic, $892; Wegovy, $1,350.)

“I see it every day in my office,” said Dr. Frank, who said he coined the term “Ozempic face” to describe the condition. “A 50-year-old patient will come in, and suddenly, she’s super-skinny and needs filler, which she never needed before. I look at her and say, ‘How long have you been on Ozempic?’ And I’m right 100 percent of the time. It’s the drug of choice these days for the 1 percent.”

Some doctors say that most patients who are taking these drugs need to stay on them indefinitely to keep the weight off, but Ms. Berger maintained the same strict portion control after she stopped taking Mounjaro. It also helped her ease off wine, which some other people taking the drug have noticed as well.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I’m sure seeing aging in the most obvious place humans can detect it means internally things are going great!! Who would’ve ever guessed unexpected side effects from a big pharma cash cow product?

You tell ‘em Ronnie !

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Some quotes:

“Everybody is either on it or asking how to get on it,” said Dr. Paul Jarrod Frank, a dermatologist in New York. “We haven’t seen a prescription drug with this much cocktail and dinner chatter since Viagra came to the market.”

Many doctors worry that the drugs’ current popularity, fueled in part by social media, has resulted in people taking them without sufficient medical supervision — a risky move considering the possibility of rare but serious side effects like thyroid cancer, pancreatitis and kidney failure. And drugs like Ozempic can also cause less serious but still debilitating symptoms including nausea, vomiting and racing heart beat, as many videos on TikTok attest (see: #ozempic).



Side Effects: Diabetes treatments used for weight loss like Ozempic can expose those who take them to risks including facial aging, thyroid cancer and kidney failure. Going off the drugs can also take a toll.

While Mounjaro may sound like the closest thing to a weight loss magic bullet since gastric bypass surgery was first performed in 1954, it is not without risk. The Mounjaro packaging contains a black box warning about thyroid C-cell tumors. Like the first generation of these drugs, Mounjaro increased the risk of a rare type of thyroid cancer called medullary thyroid carcinoma when it was tested on rodents.

None of these drugs come cheap: Unless a patient is obese and has at least one other “weight-related condition” (such as high cholesterol, hypertension, diabetes), insurance usually won’t cover the medications, which can cost upward of $1,000 for a month’s supply. (Mounjaro is $975 per month; Ozempic, $892; Wegovy, $1,350.)

“I see it every day in my office,” said Dr. Frank, who said he coined the term “Ozempic face” to describe the condition. “A 50-year-old patient will come in, and suddenly, she’s super-skinny and needs filler, which she never needed before. I look at her and say, ‘How long have you been on Ozempic?’ And I’m right 100 percent of the time. It’s the drug of choice these days for the 1 percent.”

Some doctors say that most patients who are taking these drugs need to stay on them indefinitely to keep the weight off, but Ms. Berger maintained the same strict portion control after she stopped taking Mounjaro. It also helped her ease off wine, which some other people taking the drug have noticed as well.

Now look up aspirin and post that side effect profile 🍺

 

[Ron Mehico]

I think the way America has evolved over the last 50 years has made it significantly more difficult to stay in shape. As adults, it's up to us to figure out ways to counteract that (e.g. prioritizing exercise, finding ways to get a system where you eat healthier).

That said, if this pill actually works I don't have an issue with it. Great - millions of Americans will be healthier / lower weight / look and feel better. So I don't think we should be against it. That said, we need to make sure there aren't side effects and this should be tested for years before widely perscribed.

And isn't the "old face" thing because these people lost so much weight that their faces - which were once very plump - just have a lot of excess skin? Kind of like those poeple who lost 150 lbs really fast have issues with excess skin in the waist?

I have absolutely no issues with someone doing everything they can to lose weight and be healthier, that’s never been my position. My position has been that big pharma can’t be trusted right now with drugs without LONG-TERM (greater than 5+ years testing). You know who else I never had an issue with? People that were in pain that wanted to live a pain free, happy life. People who were scared of COVID and did t want to get it and spread it. You see, all drugs, as marketed by big pharma, are for noble and genuine causes. They’re all safe and effective in the beginning, and if they are going to be highly profitable the FDA thinks they’re wonderful as well! The two most recent, of dozens of examples being opioids and the vaccine.

But how many times do we have to go around this GD merry-go-round? It’s like psychosis. Some of you are regularly injecting, INJECTING ITS NOT A PILL, a drug for weight loss that hasn’t even been APPROVED by the FDA for that use. It hasn’t even been approved yet! And when it will be approved this year it will have been used for this purpose for under a year! I mean holy shit, don’t complain if you have serious long-term issues with this shit. I do t trust big pharma, certainly not enough to be putting a new injectable into my system after it’s been on the market for a year for off label use. I just think it’s crazy, and I’ll happily be loud about it.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I have absolutely no issues with someone doing everything they can to lose weight and be healthier, that’s never been my position. My position has been that big pharma can’t be trusted right now with drugs without LONG-TERM (greater than 5+ years testing). You know who else I never had an issue with? People that were in pain that wanted to live a pain free, happy life. People who were scared of COVID and did t want to get it and spread it. You see, all drugs, as marketed by big pharma, are for noble and genuine causes. They’re all safe and effective in the beginning, and if they are going to be highly profitable the FDA thinks they’re wonderful as well! The two most recent, of dozens of examples being opioids and the vaccine.

But how many times do we have to go around this GD merry-go-round? It’s like psychosis. Some of you are regularly injecting, INJECTING ITS NOT A PILL, a drug for weight loss that hasn’t even been APPROVED by the FDA for that use. It hasn’t even been approved yet! And when it will be approved this year it will have been used for this purpose for under a year! I mean holy shit, don’t complain if you have serious long-term issues with this shit. I do t trust big pharma, certainly not enough to be putting a new injectable into my system after it’s been on the market for a year for off label use. I just think it’s crazy, and I’ll happily be loud about it.

😂😂😂

 

[Ron Mehico]

😂😂😂

What, exactly, warranted the childish response? Is there anything in particular you disagreed with or found offensive?

 

[WayneDougan]

What, exactly, warranted the childish response? Is there anything in particular you disagreed with or found offensive?

I appreciated your response, but you did come across as a little dramatic there at the end with the "hasn’t even been APPROVED by the FDA"... stuff.

 

[Ron Mehico]

I appreciated your response, but you did come across as a little dramatic there at the end with the "hasn’t even been APPROVED by the FDA"... stuff.

Lol I mean it hasn’t even been approved for weight loss and people are regularly using it! That’s just nuts to me, but either way I hope I’m wrong and there are no bad, long term side effects. I truly mean that but I feel we’ve been down this road countless times now

 

[J_Dee]

Page one nails this, guys:

So my actual career is to make people in better shape. There are no miracles or drugs that will do it unless you exercises 3-5x a week, burn more calories than you eat and just stop being a bit lazy.

You HAVE to work. No anything will substitute that and you’ll feel mentally better as well.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

What, exactly, warranted the childish response? Is there anything in particular you disagreed with or found offensive?

The “big” Pharma rhetoric I hear all the time, it only the ones that complain about Pharma until they need them. Family member, wife, husband, kids, ect dying or injured, infected whatever and you will be begging for a way to heal them and bring them back but without “big” Pharma you have no f’ing chance so you might want to look at the amount of money they spend on research and bringing a pharmaceutical to market, over 75% fail so just hold that thought on how much they invest to only fail. It’s also like what we do, we go to court argue that the client is trying to pay their taxes back given their current circumstances or the original judgement was unjust and we help reduce the amount. It’s all about being to be able to live Ronnie 🍺

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Page one nails this, guys:

Keep reading 🍺

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I appreciated your response, but you did come across as a little dramatic there at the end with the "hasn’t even been APPROVED by the FDA"... stuff.

And it has been approved 🍺

 

[hoojyoutlaw]

My weight has dropped from 188 to 183 in the mornings. I've cut down soda consumption. Still more work to do, but not bad considering. I can't work out like most folks can. I can, however, cut down on HCFS type foods(or drinks).

 

[J_Dee]

Keep reading 🍺

I haven't seen anything in this thread that convinces me that a drug is a viable option to attain good health.

In the early 2000s, I briefly creeped up to 250 lbs. I got sick of it, cut the junk food and soda, watched my carbs (never, ever over 100 a day), and started walking. Today I'm 145 lbs. and in great shape.

You can do that. Everybody can. No drugs required, just discipline over time. =)

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I haven't seen anything in this thread that convinces me that a drug is a viable option to attain good health.

In the early 2000s, I briefly creeped up to 250 lbs. I got sick of it, cut the junk food and soda, watched my carbs (never, ever over 100 a day), and started walking. Today I'm 145 lbs. and in great shape. No drugs required, just discipline over time.

So rouge posts about how awesome he is at working out and sustaining discipline but yet is on test, HGH, sarms, and the rest you think he killed it ? Okay 🙄

 

[J_Dee]

I'm not on test, HGH, or anything else and I wouldn't recommend any of that, either. Just watch the carbs and junk food, get a moderate amount of regular exercise, and don't skip out on regular doctor checkups. It works, and you don't have to take a pill. =)

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I'm not on test, HGH, or anything else and I wouldn't recommend any of that, either. Just watch the carbs and junk food, get a moderate amount of regular exercise, and don't skip out on regular doctor checkups. It works, and you don't have to take a pill. =)

I just inject once a week, no pills and 30 lbs lost in 10 weeks and it’s cut out out all my bad habits and even reduced my drinking 🍺

 

[Catman100]

I just inject once a week, no pills and 30 lbs lost in 10 weeks and it’s cut out out all my bad habits and even reduced my drinking 🍺

Crap I was all in on it until you said that. 😊😊😊

 

[WayneDougan]

I listened to a Ringer podcast the other night covering the drug. It was very yay rah rah Pharma and very pro this drug, so take this with a grain of salt.

So the expert they had on was talking about how they studied this drug on obese teenagers. So not a crew that needed to lose 15 lbs, but basically super obese teens that were already having issues with health. They tested it against a control group; both groups placed on a diet and health program. One received the drug and the control a placebo.

The Pharma people were going crazy over it because of how much better this drug performed than the control group. It was like a 15%-25% reduction in weight for the drug group vs a +5% increase for the control. They said they haven’t seen what seems to be such a game changing weight loss difference maker since bariatric surgery..

So look, I don’t know if these kids are gonna come down with thyroid cancer or something else, but if this drug works for the worst case teens and adults - ones that are gonna end up having heart disease and diabetes much earlier in life than your normal overweight man or woman - I’m for it. Why? Cause we know these people aren’t gonna beat their issues like people like me do (e.g., just needs to make some tweaks on diet / track what I eat a little better).

 

[AIChatGPT]

What happened to good old Phentermine?

 

[Freetaxreturn]

I listened to a Ringer podcast the other night covering the drug. It was very yay rah rah Pharma and very pro this drug, so take this with a grain of salt.

So the expert they had on was talking about how they studied this drug on obese teenagers. So not a crew that needed to lose 15 lbs, but basically super obese teens that were already having issues with health. They tested it against a control group; both groups placed on a diet and health program. One received the drug and the control a placebo.

The Pharma people were going crazy over it because of how much better this drug performed than the control group. It was like a 15%-25% reduction in weight for the drug group vs a +5% increase for the control. They said they haven’t seen what seems to be such a game changing weight loss difference maker since bariatric surgery..

So look, I don’t know if these kids are gonna come down with thyroid cancer or something else, but if this drug works for the worst case teens and adults - ones that are gonna end up having heart disease and diabetes much earlier in life than your normal overweight man or woman - I’m for it. Why? Cause we know these people aren’t gonna beat their issues like people like me do (e.g., just needs to make some tweaks on diet / track what I eat a little better).

Idk about kids but for me it’s awesome 🍺 zero side effects 🍺

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

I guess the insurance companies are going to shut this off. Morbidly obese coworker, hypertension with arrhythmia issues,osteoarthritis, and diabetes throughout his family history got denied because his A1C was at an acceptable level.

 

[PTI (pti)]

False.

Insurance companies are getting filthy rich off this bs.

 

[WayneDougan]

False.

Insurance companies are getting filthy rich off this bs.

This should be the test case for an uninsurable drug. If you need this so bad pay for it. Because it costs the rest of us time and money to stay in shape. I’m not covering you to do the same.

 

[Rebelfreedomeagle]

False.

Insurance companies are getting filthy rich off this bs.

How? Seriously, I’ve seen people who got it approved just to get 10 pounds off but my coworker can’t. How exactly is this going to work.

 

[roguemocha]

So rouge posts about how awesome he is at working out and sustaining discipline but yet is on test, HGH, sarms, and the rest you think he killed it ? Okay 🙄

Ummmmm HgH & SARMs? When did I say that? And my test is doctor prescribed because my test levels were that of a 90 year old at 39, got sent to a urologist to confirm as well.

I’ve only been on TRT for 1 year and 2 months. I was jacked in 2017 and #196 but it did help me get bigger and break the #200 plateau, which you know, I would’ve if I had the test levels of a 39 year old instead of a 90 year old.

I workout every day hard AF. Also, you can take all the PEDs you want but if you don’t put serious work in you’ll just be bloated and fat.

But yeah I guess 12 long hard ass disciplined years of lifting is just ho him to you, definitely super easy and anyone can do it.

You’re post was literally projecting your own insecurities by shitting on my hard work and dismissing it.

Instead of trying to brighten your own flame you think it’s easier to just snuff someone else’s out? Concentrate on positivity and sending out good energy vs spending even more to be negative brother.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

Ummmmm HgH & SARMs? When did I say that? And my test is doctor prescribed because my test levels were that of a 90 year old at 39, got sent to a urologist to confirm as well.

I’ve only been on TRT for 1 year and 2 months. I was jacked in 2017 and #196 but it did help me get bigger and break the #200 plateau, which you know, I would’ve if I had the test levels of a 39 year old instead of a 90 year old.

I workout every day hard AF. Also, you can take all the PEDs you want but if you don’t put serious work in you’ll just be bloated and fat.

But yeah I guess 12 long hard ass disciplined years of lifting is just ho him to you, definitely super easy and anyone can do it.

You’re post was literally projecting your own insecurities by shitting on my hard work and dismissing it.

Instead of trying to brighten your own flame you think it’s easier to just snuff someone else’s out? Concentrate on positivity and sending out good energy vs spending even more to be negative brother.

Naw man, you pulled the discipline card early on then went test so you out 🍺

 

[roguemocha]

Cute. They’re completely unrelated. I’ve been killing it for a long time. Hit up my social it’s all on there even the TRT, I don’t hide anything, there’s no need to, it’s documented. Discipline was around way longer than the test and as I said it’s barely been over a year.

Stop putting me down while secretly bemoaning the fact that you didn’t do what I did and now want the easy way out.

You’re better than that and if not, well, you’ll be in the unhappy place you are now for a long time.

 

[AIChatGPT]

What do you think caused you to have the testosterone levels of a 90 year old man?

Testicle injury?

 

[PTI (pti)]

How? Seriously, I’ve seen people who got it approved just to get 10 pounds off but my coworker can’t. How exactly is this going to work.

Because insurance companies negotiate the cost of these drugs and only add them to their formulary when the manufacturer agrees to an appropriately large kickback.

Insurance companies aren’t required by law to cover this stuff. They do it voluntarily. Do you honestly think they’re completely caught off guard? Lol.

On an individual basis you don’t feel the impact, but I can 110% confirm you are getting Fd.

 

[anthonys735]

False.

Insurance companies are getting filthy rich off this bs.

No shit. Get on, lose weight, serious issues if you come off. Lol.

 

[roguemocha]

What do you think caused you to have the testosterone levels of a 90 year old man?

Testicle injury?

Don’t know. No testicle injuries. Could be from partying and drinking my face off in my 20s/30s, could be from overtraining for a decade. They couldn’t pin it on anything.

My doctor when I first asked her to check it saw my physique and said yeah there’s no way you have low test.

Tested me against her wishes and was blown away. Didn’t believe it so tested it again. Same result, sent me to a urologist and he didn’t believe it tested twice again, same thing.

So started with enclomiphene and then to injectables. Injectables did the trick. Now I get tested 3-4x/year depending on the results. Have to titrated it up and down a few times to keep it level and find the sweet spot.

 

[roguemocha]

Not looking good…

“If you come off Ozempic you’ll gain all the weight back and then some…”

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Telling you guys. Meth may be bad on the teeth, but the weight will come off.

 

[Gus_Chiggins]

My wife sells Ozempic/Rybelsus. Obviously any drugs you take are going to have certain side effects. GI issues are common because Ozempic slows the digestive process down, which assists in weight loss and can cause intermittent constipation. But it’s no coincidence that all these negatives pieces are coming out right when Ely Lily is releasing their version of Ozempic. Been taking the .25 dose of Ozempic for 2 months. Lost 10 lbs and have done nothing different except not being able to eat as much/as often.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

My wife sells Ozempic/Rybelsus. Obviously any drugs you take are going to have certain side effects. GI issues are common because Ozempic slows the digestive process down, which assists in weight loss and can cause intermittent constipation. But it’s no coincidence that all these negatives pieces are coming out right when Ely Lily is releasing their version of Ozempic. Been taking the .25 dose of Ozempic for 2 months. Lost 10 lbs and have done nothing different except not being able to eat as much/as often.

I’m using Mounjaro GC just moved to the 10mg on Monday, lost 33 lbs so far and I’m stopping there. I didn’t need to lose that much but I’ll go back to the 5 and inject every other week to see how it does 🍺

 

[Ron Mehico]

My wife and I took the Dry January challenge and had very good weight loss results. I dropped 12 pounds and didn't change my diet in any other way. I felt better and more rested which allowed me to be more regular in my 2-3 weekly gym visits. I just had my bloodwork done and saw a bunch of improvements (30 point drop in total cholesterol, etc). My year over year blood pressure dropped from 129/81 to 118/73. This was the easiest weight that I ever lost. We have added back booze only on weekends and have maintained the new lower weight. I would recommend trying this first over extreme diets or injections if you regularly drink alcohol.

Jesus how much were you drinking??

 

[Ron Mehico]

I was drinking 3-4 glasses of wine most nights. That's about 400 empty calories per night. I know several people who had similar weight loss results from doing a dry January.

4 glasses is about a bottle of wine a night so ya probably best to tone that down, congrats on cutting back!

 

[LOL_Man]

We need to start a vitamin thread. I'd like to know what supplements everyone is taking. Especially us that are entering the old guy phase.

My wife says I am lucky that I am not wrinkling at all yet. I am greying at the sides and thinning in the crown, but I still look good naked. Better than most, let's say.

My issue is pain. I hurt somewhere new every day. More and more at the gym I feel like it is a sludge just to get my workout done. I don't lift anything heavy anymore. I try to work on maintenance. Lot of low weight high rep stuff.

But pain when there is no way I am ever going to take any kind of pain medication, well that's at least for me a real letdown about how sucky getting old is. I feel like I hit a wall about a year ago where my body said "bam" you're an old dude and this is how it is going to be forever and it is going to suck.

Never did any drugs in my life. Never smoked. Got that going for me. But the pain thing has almost destroyed my outlook. Doctors so far are worthless as they just want to give you drugs. Got me thinking about supplements and vitamins.