Mass shooting at Old National Bank in Downtown Louisville

[Caveman Catfan]

What point do you think you’re proving exactly? I find it ironic the guy talking media conspiracies is citing an article from a major newspaper on one of the biggest media platforms in the world all the while claiming a media cover up.

And what difference does this killer‘s ”manifesto” make to politics? It’d be like Ted Bundy blaming his killing spree on pornogeaphy. It’d be like Charlie Manson blaming his killing spree on rock and roll. The reasoning of a crazy person makes no difference.

Or are you suggesting that there’s causality between a 25 year old’s political views and their ability to murder innocent people? You can claim that. Of course you’d have to ignore that we’ve seen mass shooters in pretty much every demographic.

The difference between me and you here is that what I’m saying doesn’t change regardless of perceived political affiliation, where you see it as a propaganda win in your culture war.

Hold this thought (although the Post is probably overstated) and now go back and look at your posts condemning comments about right wing influences as to the Paul Pelosi attack. We all suspect you condemned those, as well.

Obviously, mental illness is a complex issue, but what are the influences that impact the mentally ill to commit such atrocities? Mention media and people cry foul. How about the angry tone of politics and the constant claims that political opponents “hate?” Does that contribute?

 

[bkingUK]

Hold this thought (although the Post is probably overstated) and now go back and look at your posts condemning comments about right wing influences as to the Paul Pelosi attack. We all suspect you condemned those, as well.

Obviously, mental illness is a complex issue, but what are the influences that impact the mentally ill to commit such atrocities? Mention media and people cry foul. How about the angry tone of politics and the constant claims that political opponents “hate?” Does that contribute?

This isn’t a debate to me. Like others reading this thread, I know real people who died by a piece of shit who murdered at least 5 indiscriminately. You might attribute some value to what the guy has to say but you’re only giving him a platform.

And that’s the end of the conversation with me. If you want to imagine it as a way to advance your political causes, do you. I don’t agree with it. I think it’s off base and myopic. But do you.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

This isn’t a debate to me. Like others reading this thread, I know real people who died by a piece of shit who murdered at least 5 indiscriminately. You might attribute some value to what the guy has to say but you’re only giving him a platform.

And that’s the end of the conversation with me. If you want to imagine it as a way to advance your political causes, do you. I don’t agree with it. I think it’s off base and myopic. But do you.

It’s not a debate and, yet, you engage in a strawman argument. This impacted my family. People I love in my immediate family attended a funeral last week and I would have too, if able. It is interesting how this is political for others, because they see things differently from you. Well, f¥ck off.

The value I see is in understanding actual causes. You may see that as somehow myopic, but that would be a hard case to make. Rather, you seem to be acting politically by avoiding facts you may not like.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Is this a red flag? Seriously.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

This is not accurate:

“He also planned to end the slaughter by suicide — a wish that was granted when he was shot to death by police officers when he brandished his firearm.”

The police arrived and he had the vantage point on them, because the building’s first floor is up steps. He was trying to kill cops. Not, just brandishing.

Louisville bank killer left manifesto revealing motives for shooting

Louisville bank shooter Connor Sturgeon wrote a chilling manifesto before slaughtering five senior executives at the branch where he worked, DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Is this a red flag? Seriously.

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I'd love to kick him in the balls.

 

[bkingUK]

It’s not a debate and, yet, you engage in a strawman argument. This impacted my family. People I love in my immediate family attended a funeral last week and I would have too, if able. It is interesting how this is political for others, because they see things differently from you. Well, f¥ck off.

The value I see is in understanding actual causes. You may see that as somehow myopic, but that would be a hard case to make. Rather, you seem to be acting politically by avoiding facts you may not like.

I don’t have any thing else to say on this topic.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

It’s not a debate and, yet, you engage in a strawman argument. This impacted my family. People I love in my immediate family attended a funeral last week and I would have too, if able. It is interesting how this is political for others, because they see things differently from you. Well, f¥ck off.

The value I see is in understanding actual causes. You may see that as somehow myopic, but that would be a hard case to make. Rather, you seem to be acting politically by avoiding facts you may not like.

A guy I've know for 20 years was one of the survivors. Shot in the upper thigh and a body fell on top of him. I actually know quite a few folks in that building. It will be interesting to see what or who actually returns.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Is this a red flag? Seriously.

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Why are the woke so often hideous in appearance? Sturgeon was an outlier among the woke insofar as looked like a human being as opposed to a mutant.

 

[WildcatofNati]

I don’t have any thing else to say on this topic.

Thank you.

 

[Nightwish84]

Is this a red flag? Seriously.

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Somehow a mass shooting thread has lasted 16 pages. Maybe it's because it happened in our state, so I'm not going to get into a back and forth over your video clip, but I could have posted hundreds of clips of angered, overly emotional middle aged men yelling into a phone about how we need to get our weapons ready because we're at war. The govt. is trying to control us and a civil war is coming. It's a call to arms and anyone who gets in our way will pay the price by any means necessary. But, I won't do that because it has nothing to do with this shooting. You chose to showcase a clip of a trans person who wants others to buy guns. Okay. If you feel threatened, report the clip or call your local FBI office. But you won't, because for whatever reason you want to turn this thread into another "let's show how crazy trans people are and mock them" thread. Please do that shit in the Political Thread.

There are two sides to every coin. For every "crazy" clip you pick, one of us can pick something just as "crazy" from someone else who believes civil war is coming.

 

[WildcatofNati]

Somehow a mass shooting thread has lasted 16 pages. Maybe it's because it happened in our state, so I'm not going to get into a back and forth over your video clip, but I could have posted hundreds of clips of angered, overly emotional middle aged men yelling into a phone about how we need to get our weapons ready because we're at war. The govt. is trying to control us and a civil war is coming. It's a call to arms and anyone who gets in our way will pay the price by any means necessary. But, I won't do that because it has nothing to do with this shooting. You chose to showcase a clip of a trans person who wants others to buy guns. Okay. If you feel threatened, report the clip or call your local FBI office. But you won't, because for whatever reason you want to turn this thread into another "let's show how crazy trans people are and mock them" thread. Please do that shit in the Political Thread.

There are two sides to every coin. For every "crazy" clip you pick, one of us can pick something just as "crazy" from someone else who believes civil war is coming.

Did you miss your life's calling as a hall monitor? Get over yourself. This is a DISCUSSION board. If this thread was on the sports boards instead of the Paddock, your wailing would be reasonable. As it is, it's annoying.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Somehow a mass shooting thread has lasted 16 pages. Maybe it's because it happened in our state, so I'm not going to get into a back and forth over your video clip, but I could have posted hundreds of clips of angered, overly emotional middle aged men yelling into a phone about how we need to get our weapons ready because we're at war. The govt. is trying to control us and a civil war is coming. It's a call to arms and anyone who gets in our way will pay the price by any means necessary. But, I won't do that because it has nothing to do with this shooting. You chose to showcase a clip of a trans person who wants others to buy guns. Okay. If you feel threatened, report the clip or call your local FBI office. But you won't, because for whatever reason you want to turn this thread into another "let's show how crazy trans people are and mock them" thread. Please do that shit in the Political Thread.

There are two sides to every coin. For every "crazy" clip you pick, one of us can pick something just as "crazy" from someone else who believes civil war is coming.

So, it is or is not a red flag? I know your mission statement and you have to preach to all of us about what we post about. But, IS THIS A RED FLAG? People want red flag laws. Would this meet your expectation for a red flag? If you want to post others as examples, go for it. But, it was posted for the specific question of learning what people mean by red flag laws.

And, you can lie about my intent in order to evade and do what you do, but I am talking about THIS person. You may want to equate him to all other trans people, that would be on you. Not me.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Did you miss your life's calling as a hall monitor? Get over yourself. This is a DISCUSSION board. If this thread was on the sports boards instead of the Paddock, your wailing would be reasonable. As it is, it's annoying.

He might be the most consistently judgmental poster on this forum.

 

[BankerCat12]

A guy I've know for 20 years was one of the survivors. Shot in the upper thigh and a body fell on top of him. I actually know quite a few folks in that building. It will be interesting to see what or who actually returns.

I wonder if they will open that branch again?
There are a few personal residences upstairs...I wonder if those people will sell? Not sure I would want to live in that building going forward.

Have a friend that works near there and the dumpster where all the carpet, etc was thrown out was in plain view of his office. Ugh.

 

[roguemocha]

This bill, passed by our Kentucky legislators, which became law in March of 2023, declares that the state will not enforce any federal gun laws or regulations.

Think any of them regret it?

23RS HB 153

apps.legislature.ky.gov

I think that’s a mistake. I think some changes should happen and I own guns and like them being legal. Something should happen.

I’m afraid it’s only a matter of time before there’s a mass shooting at a major sporting event.

I’ll give you one worse possibly. I think Southland Church main campus is top 5 destination for a shooter on KY if I remember correctly. Can you imagine a shooter getting into the second deck of a church with 500+ people? Pretty sure they use undercovers in the hallways.

 

[BluegrassBlake]

He might be the most consistently judgmental poster on this forum.

Pot meet kettle

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I listen to those pro and anti red flag laws, but I don’t think red flag laws would make a difference. If people can’t or wont identify those exhibiting “red flags” now, a law about guns wont make a difference. I am not a gun owner, but this has become so political that we wont see a resolution, just virtue signaling. It’s like abortion before Dobbs. People want their side more than a fix.

 

[Nightwish84]

Did you miss your life's calling as a hall monitor? Get over yourself. This is a DISCUSSION board. If this thread was on the sports boards instead of the Paddock, your wailing would be reasonable. As it is, it's annoying.

Yes, a discussion board, not a board to troll just to get a reaction. What happened was serious and sad and the tone you're bringing is "wHy ArE tHe WoKe So UgLy." Do you not have anything serious to say instead of trolling like a child? If that's your mo, then you're not a serious person. Act whatever age you are in real life and chill on the dumb trolling antics. You wouldn't put yourself in a serious conversation between people talking about a mass shooting in real life and blurt out that woke people are ugly. They'd tell you to grow up and walk away from you. If you can't act like an adult, that's a you problem.

So, it is or is not a red flag? I know your mission statement and you have to preach to all of us about what we post about. But, IS THIS A RED FLAG? People want red flag laws. Would this meet your expectation for a red flag? If you want to post others as examples, go for it. But, it was posted for the specific question of learning what people mean by red flag laws.

And, you can lie about my intent in order to evade and do what you do, but I am talking about THIS person. You may want to equate him to all other trans people, that would be on you. Not me.

What exactly makes the clip a Red Flag? As I said, it's the same language I hear when someone (who looks like me, i.e. a white guy with facial hair) says we need to gather our weapons and stand ready because a civil war is coming and nothing is going to stop us or get in our way. Are those Red Flags too? If you feel the clip you posted is some sort of flag, report it. We're not dumb here and we know why you happened to post a clip of a trans person showing emotion and wanting people to arm themselves. You want us to agree with you and a couple others here that trans people are mentally ill and that person needs to be investigated. But, this is not some thread about trans people, it's about the mass shooting that took place in downtown Louisville.

Don't know how many times I have to post this: if you feel the clip is a flag, report it on your own. What are we supposed to do about a clip showing someone trying to convince others to buy guns? The goddamn weird obsession the same 11 people here have with trans people over the last year is tiresome. Buy your own site and do the whole all trans are nuts and dangerous routine there. It's really an obsession at this point.

 

[Nightwish84]

A trans person is mentally ill.

With respect, that is your opinion. You're generalizing an entire group of people different than you that you may never come into contact with or know personally. A fellow poster once said he'd love to shoot liberals in the streets. Is that person mentally ill? Should that person be investigated or be allowed to own guns? Is that a red flag? Should I be dramatic like Cave and type in all caps IS THIS A RED FLAG?

It's lazy to focus on a clip, point and basically say "all people like that are mentally ill and should not be allowed to purchase guns" and want that person investigated while posters here can encourage violence and a wish to kill others who think differently than they do politically without repercussion.

Call me whatever you like, guys. All I'm saying is, none of us are experts and some posters should look in a mirror before condemning others.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Yes, a discussion board, not a board to troll just to get a reaction. What happened was serious and sad and the tone you're bringing is "wHy ArE tHe WoKe So UgLy." Do you not have anything serious to say instead of trolling like a child? If that's your mo, then you're not a serious person. Act whatever age you are in real life and chill on the dumb trolling antics. You wouldn't put yourself in a serious conversation between people talking about a mass shooting in real life and blurt out that woke people are ugly. They'd tell you to grow up and walk away from you. If you can't act like an adult, that's a you problem.


What exactly makes the clip a Red Flag? As I said, it's the same language I hear when someone (who looks like me, i.e. a white guy with facial hair) says we need to gather our weapons and stand ready because a civil war is coming and nothing is going to stop us or get in our way. Are those Red Flags too? If you feel the clip you posted is some sort of flag, report it. We're not dumb here and we know why you happened to post a clip of a trans person showing emotion and wanting people to arm themselves. You want us to agree with you and a couple others here that trans people are mentally ill and that person needs to be investigated. But, this is not some thread about trans people, it's about the mass shooting that took place in downtown Louisville.

Don't know how many times I have to post this: if you feel the clip is a flag, report it on your own. What are we supposed to do about a clip showing someone trying to convince others to buy guns? The goddamn weird obsession the same 11 people here have with trans people over the last year is tiresome. Buy your own site and do the whole all trans are nuts and dangerous routine there. It's really an obsession at this point.

Look, I don’t know about all the videos about people who look like you. If you want to post those to explain why you think they are red flags or are not, I welcome that discussion, especially if it elucidates.

I posted a video posted by another that I found disturbing and overtly threatening. Can I assume that your defense of that video means that you don’t think it’s a red flag? I would not have to ask the question, if you could just answer it.

Your fear of answering is, by admission, steeped in your consistent generalization of anything negative about one trans person being about all trans people. You are also rendered static by your fear that you are walking into some sort of trap. This has more to do with your own prejudice than anyone else’s. When you find you cannot answer a simple question, because of fear of ramifications, you might want to do a deeper dive on your own credibility, rather than condemn others.

Would it be a red flag if that guy later shot up a bunch of people that looked like the targets described in his video? Can we only see red flags after a horrific incident?

If you have videos of people who look like you saying the same sort of thing, I welcome the post, so we may have a real discussion, rather than the rabbit hole you love to take us down all the time.

 

[UKWILDCAT2004]

I don't know if you qualify trans people as mentally ill. There might be some merit to it, maybe not. But my question would be do we really know the full side effects of the hormonal medication they take? I am asking as someone who is generally curious. Do we know for a fact they don't mess with people minds/brains? I ask the question from the perspective i generally don't care if someone wants to be trans but there should be certain caveats as well like sports.

 

[PhDcat2018]

With respect, that is your opinion. You're generalizing an entire group of people different than you that you may never come into contact with or know personally. A fellow poster once said he'd love to shoot liberals in the streets. Is that person mentally ill? Should that person be investigated or be allowed to own guns? Is that a red flag? Should I be dramatic like Cave and type in all caps IS THIS A RED FLAG?

It's lazy to focus on a clip, point and basically say "all people like that are mentally ill and should not be allowed to purchase guns" and want that person investigated while posters here can encourage violence and a wish to kill others who think differently than they do politically without repercussion.

Call me whatever you like, guys. All I'm saying is, none of us are experts and some posters should look in a mirror before condemning others.

It's not an opinion. It's a fact.

It's one of many disorders diagnosed by the DSM-V.

 

[Nightwish84]

Figured I'd bump this since as a society we continue to mourn then quickly move on and pretend what happened a few weeks ago didn't happen.

Anyway, another mass shooting, this time in Texas yet again. As I've said in the past, I doubt some sort of ban on one specific weapon would matter at this point since we're flooded in guns, but I do laugh at anyone who acts like this particular weapon that keeps being used in these mass shootings to cause as much damage as possible cannot be touched, as if it's some sort of endangered species that must be protected at all goddamn costs.

While dipshits on both sides waste their time and energy on pictures on beer cans, banning books, drag shows, trans people, "wokism", and other shit that doesn't really matter, actual people continue to be slaughtered in mass shootings. Rinse and repeat. I'll keep bumping this thread as mass shootings continue I guess.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK.

Police said the suspect "has been known to shoot his 223 out in his front yard, which is evident by the shell casings that are laying in the front yard."

"There's always shootings, there's always shooting," she said to KTRK. "There's always people calling the cops and there's nothing being done."


Perfectly normal. Perfectly healthy.

 

[roguemocha]

Hey gang it was weeks ago, NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. You won’t prove or change anything, just keep yelling at each other though that’s healthy…

 

[MidseasonTweak]

Thoughts and prayers even though this was God's will. Nothing can be done about it.

 

[Caveman Catfan]

Figured I'd bump this since as a society we continue to mourn then quickly move on and pretend what happened a few weeks ago didn't happen.

Anyway, another mass shooting, this time in Texas yet again. As I've said in the past, I doubt some sort of ban on one specific weapon would matter at this point since we're flooded in guns, but I do laugh at anyone who acts like this particular weapon that keeps being used in these mass shootings to cause as much damage as possible cannot be touched, as if it's some sort of endangered species that must be protected at all goddamn costs.

While dipshits on both sides waste their time and energy on pictures on beer cans, banning books, drag shows, trans people, "wokism", and other shit that doesn't really matter, actual people continue to be slaughtered in mass shootings. Rinse and repeat. I'll keep bumping this thread as mass shootings continue I guess.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK.

Police said the suspect "has been known to shoot his 223 out in his front yard, which is evident by the shell casings that are laying in the front yard."

"There's always shootings, there's always shooting," she said to KTRK. "There's always people calling the cops and there's nothing being done."


Perfectly normal. Perfectly healthy.

Still waiting on you to post any of the nutbags you see all the time on social media making gun threats toward other groups so we can have a red flag discussion. Don’t be afraid being called MAGAphobic or some other -phobic. I just want a discussion about red flag laws so we can see what is meant. Thanks.

 

[Nightwish84]

Still waiting on you to post any of the nutbags you see all the time on social media making gun threats toward other groups so we can have a red flag discussion. Don’t be afraid being called MAGAphobic or some other -phobic. I just want a discussion about red flag laws so we can see what is meant. Thanks.

I'm not scouring the internet for "nutbags". This person was drinking and had a habit of randomly shooting his gun in his front yard because he had a "I do want I want because it's my yard" attitude. He then broke into his neighbor's home and killed five people execution style. The police had been called multiple times over the contant, random shooting and nothing was done. Somehow, this person was able to own a gun. It is what it is. I'll keep posting links and you can continue making random comments about phobias and something about maga, which had nothing to do with the shooting in Louisville or this shooting. Not everything is about Biden or Trump. Good lord.

 

[WayneDougan]

Figured I'd bump this since as a society we continue to mourn then quickly move on and pretend what happened a few weeks ago didn't happen.

Anyway, another mass shooting, this time in Texas yet again. As I've said in the past, I doubt some sort of ban on one specific weapon would matter at this point since we're flooded in guns, but I do laugh at anyone who acts like this particular weapon that keeps being used in these mass shootings to cause as much damage as possible cannot be touched, as if it's some sort of endangered species that must be protected at all goddamn costs.

While dipshits on both sides waste their time and energy on pictures on beer cans, banning books, drag shows, trans people, "wokism", and other shit that doesn't really matter, actual people continue to be slaughtered in mass shootings. Rinse and repeat. I'll keep bumping this thread as mass shootings continue I guess.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK.

Police said the suspect "has been known to shoot his 223 out in his front yard, which is evident by the shell casings that are laying in the front yard."

"There's always shootings, there's always shooting," she said to KTRK. "There's always people calling the cops and there's nothing being done."


Perfectly normal. Perfectly healthy.

I am not a yay rah rah AR-15 guy by any means, but if this guy didn’t have one and instead was out shooting a “normal” hunting rifle, pistol, or shotgun, I don’t see how the results would have been different.

I agree, the AR is going to make a mass shooting much easier than say a pump action shotgun, but this was an “execution style” shooting. This monster could have done that with a 9mm.

The biggest change we need to make - and one that could be enforced given how many guns are already out there - is to have a serious red flag law in effect where cops or other members of a community can make a complaint and have a guy locked up / guns removed for a) threatening behavior b) improper gun safety violations (e.g. being drunk and handling fire arms).

I believe the 2nd amendment is about protection from the government. A drunk ass loser who threatens his neighbors isn’t gonna protect anybody from the government.

 

[Nightwish84]

Hey gang it was weeks ago, NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. You won’t prove or change anything, just keep yelling at each other though that’s healthy…

Besides a few trolls, this has been a good thread for discussion. None of us are changing anything but I'm tired of just ignoring this shit too. Pretending it doesn't happen isn't making it go away. It's honestly better to talk about it, even though there will be disagreements, than to look the other way. We focused more on a beer can in this country for a month than continued gun violence in the streets, in homes, and in businesses. We gotta fix what we choose to be emotionally invested in as a society. It's like watching someone try to burn your house down and getting mad at them because they're wearing two different colored socks instead.

Common sense gun laws won't work if the owners of guns don't have common sense. Don't know the details of what happened in TX, but on the surface, a guy disturbing his neighborhood by continually firing his weapon in his front yard while also drinking probably shouldn't be in possession of a gun. That isn't a responsible gun owner, and since he killed five people, he also had some emotional and anger issues too. Yet, he was able to keep firing his gun on his property, because Texas and because America.

 

[Hank Camacho]

People of good conscience can disagree on how to best address this problem but it needs to be addressed.

 

[Nightwish84]

I am not a yay rah rah AR-15 guy by any means, but if this guy didn’t have one and instead was out shooting a “normal” hunting rifle, pistol, or shotgun, I don’t see how the results would have been different.

I agree, the AR is going to make a mass shooting much easier than say a pump action shotgun, but this was an “execution style” shooting. This monster could have done that with a 9mm.

The biggest change we need to make - and one that could be enforced given how many guns are already out there - is to have a serious red flag law in effect where cops or other members of a community can make a complaint and have a guy locked up / guns removed for a) threatening behavior b) improper gun safety violations (e.g. being drunk and handling fire arms).

I believe the 2nd amendment is about protection from the government. A drunk ass loser who threatens his neighbors isn’t gonna protect anybody from the government.

I agree with a lot of this, however there's been a pattern established and it does seem after a lot of these mass shootings, one specific type of weapon had been used. And it does seem every time it's used, some rally to the weapon's aid, as if this particular style of gun needs to stay in existence, like it's some living thing. People should rally around the victims of gun violence, not the gun itself.

As far as your last sentence, with respect, most who mention needing weapons to protect themselves from the govt. seem detached from reality and spend too much time listening to talk radio or cable news. No one I know is "in love" with the govt., but I also don't know anyone who rants about We The People and how the govt. is some evil thing that we need to watch closely because one day we may need to "fight back." My answer to all of that talk is to just vote. Not everything needs to be a personal war, just vote. And if you don't like the result, then perhaps campaign for someone you like and vote in the next election. But talk of protecting yourself from the govt. has always seemed silly to me for countless reasons.

Do most Canadians talk about protecting themselves with guns from their own govt.? What about Fins? Italians? French? Swiss? Swedes? Austrians? Australians? Why are some in our country obsessed with a fictional war against its own govt. where the citizens become the victors because they have six guns in one of their closets?

 

[Hank Camacho]

Do most Canadians talk about protecting themselves with guns from their own govt.? What about Fins? Italians? French? Swiss? Swedes? Austrians? Australians?

After 2+ years of COVID bullshit from governments the world over, maybe they should.

It isn't nice to say, but the US government should be somewhat wary of the citizenry. That's part of the point of the Second Amendment and is one of the reasons why we are an exemplar in human history (for good and bad, but much, much more good than bad.)

 

[Caveman Catfan]

I'm not scouring the internet for "nutbags". This person was drinking and had a habit of randomly shooting his gun in his front yard because he had a "I do want I want because it's my yard" attitude. He then broke into his neighbor's home and killed five people execution style. The police had been called multiple times over the contant, random shooting and nothing was done. Somehow, this person was able to own a gun. It is what it is. I'll keep posting links and you can continue making random comments about phobias and something about maga, which had nothing to do with the shooting in Louisville or this shooting. Not everything is about Biden or Trump. Good lord.

Red flag laws are no longer in the discussion? Oh. Okay. Off the table. Good to know.

 

[MidseasonTweak]

After 2+ years of COVID bullshit from governments the world over, maybe they should.

It isn't nice to say, but the US government should be somewhat wary of the citizenry. That's part of the point of the Second Amendment and is one of the reasons why we are an exemplar in human history (for good and bad, but much, much more good than bad.)

The Second Amendment has other countries laughing at us. It has been grossly misinterpreted. We have people everywhere shooting at people doing nothing wrong. Ring the doorbell? Shot. Turn into the wrong driveway? Shot. Trying to deliver food and ending up at the wrong place? Shot.

Owning a firearm should be a privilege, not a right.

 

[JDHoss]

Red flag laws are no longer in the discussion? Oh. Okay. Off the table. Good to know.

For me, Red Flag laws are at the top of the discussion list. When I think of Red Flag laws, I think of the dude who shot the Nashville area Waffle House up (killing 4 IIRC) His guns had been taken from him in Illinois after a series of incidents, but law enforcement gave them to his dad, who in return gave them back to him. This dude had more Red Flags than a Donald Trump loan application, yet was able to get his guns back, and for an encore, killed those people. FWIW, his dad was sentenced to 18 month in jail in 2022 and is probably still there. Red Flag Laws should have seen his guns taken away and never returned and prevented him from ever being able to LEGALLY purchase another.

Nashville Waffle House shooting - Wikipedia

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The second Red Flag story that comes to mind when my former coworker shot two Kingsport police officers who came to his house for a disturbance with his neighbor. He retired a couple of years before I did, but I hadn't talked to him until he came to a retiree picnic. The former slow talking, level headed country boy was now a ranting, obviously troubled man. His voice was even different. He ranted on about the Bible and end times, talking so fast it was hard to keep up with him. We were like WTF? and a few laughed about it when he left. A couple of weeks later, he was on the front page of the local paper for what was his second stalking charge. Earlier that year, he had been arrested for stalking and ordered to undergo counseling. Now he was charged with aggravated stalking and was scheduled to go to trial. A couple of weeks before his trial, he got into an argument with a neighbor. The neighbor called the cops. The cops were walking up to his door when he stepped out and pumped multiple rounds from a 12 gauge into them. One officer was treated and released, but the other was seriously injured and required several surgeries. He then barricaded himself in his house, and after a standoff, shot and killed himself. If they had taken his guns after the first stalking charge, he may have still killed himself somehow, but those officers wouldn't have been shot.

Third (and I'll stop there) Red Flag case was a coworker of my niece in VA. She was leaving her abusive husband and had gotten a restraining order against him after he told her he'd kill her and her mother if she left him. As usual, the restraining order alone was worthless, as he kept his promise to kill her and her mom. I suppose he could've found another way to kill them but having access to his gun made it too easy.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Figured I'd bump this since as a society we continue to mourn then quickly move on and pretend what happened a few weeks ago didn't happen.

Anyway, another mass shooting, this time in Texas yet again. As I've said in the past, I doubt some sort of ban on one specific weapon would matter at this point since we're flooded in guns, but I do laugh at anyone who acts like this particular weapon that keeps being used in these mass shootings to cause as much damage as possible cannot be touched, as if it's some sort of endangered species that must be protected at all goddamn costs.

While dipshits on both sides waste their time and energy on pictures on beer cans, banning books, drag shows, trans people, "wokism", and other shit that doesn't really matter, actual people continue to be slaughtered in mass shootings. Rinse and repeat. I'll keep bumping this thread as mass shootings continue I guess.

5 dead in Texas 'execution-style' shooting, suspect armed with AR-15 is on the loose

"My understanding is that the victims, they came over to the fence and said 'Hey could [you not do your] shooting out in the yard? We have a young baby that's trying to go to sleep," and he had been drinking and he says 'I'll do what I want to in my front yard,'" San Jacinto County Sheriff Greg Capers told KTRK.

Police said the suspect "has been known to shoot his 223 out in his front yard, which is evident by the shell casings that are laying in the front yard."

"There's always shootings, there's always shooting," she said to KTRK. "There's always people calling the cops and there's nothing being done."


Perfectly normal. Perfectly healthy.

How does a Mexican national (illegal alien) get a gun in the US? Illegally. Trump told us that we are not getting their choir boys. He gets drunk and then shoots 5 Hondurans (illegal aliens)? The Biden Admin says there is no crisis at the border.

 

[Bill Cosby]

News reports said the neighborhood in Texas where this happened had people shooting off guns all the time. Why is this different than the countless murders in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. you gun control zealots ignore every day?

 

[WayneDougan]

News reports said the neighborhood in Texas where this happened had people shooting off guns all the time. Why is this different than the countless murders in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. you gun control zealots ignore every day?

The issue that stands out here is that the police have been called on this guy many times. What the f are we supposed to do?

 

[Caveman Catfan]

What the f are we supposed to do?

That appears to be a fair question. I think it is key. How can the law enforcement process be improved so as to not make those kinds of errors?